Worried about e-liquid

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zanedog

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I'm pretty sure most eliquids are vegetable oil based or something like that? To me, that seems a lot safer than the cigarettes out there. Plus, you don't *really* need to inhale the vapor completely to get the effect. At least that's what I've been told.

Vegetable Glycerin is derived from plant oils yes.

Glycerin, also known as glycerol, is an organic compound of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen with the chemical formula C3H8O3. It is produced industrially, usually as a by-product of soap manufacture, from oils and fats. It can be made from animal fat or, in the case of vegetable glycerin, vegetable oil. The source of the raw material does not affect the chemistry of the final product, but, since glycerin is widely used in foods and medications, this distinction is important for vegetarians. It is also used as a sweetener and as an ingredient in a number of cosmetic products.


buy your e-liquids from a vendor that will provide a COA if you are worried.
 

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I will never understand former smokers worrying about "what's in their vapor." Not trying to be rude but ... well if you look up what's in cigarette smoke, you can pretty much see what's NOT in vapor ;)

As someone else suggested, you can try DIY or unflavored. The flavors are the only ingredient that might raise a concern.

Seriously, you think that just because we smoked we didn't care what we ate, ingested or inhaled? Well it's 3997 less chemicals than we used to inhale so it must be safe?

Trust me, I cared deeply about what I was inhaling, I just couldn't stop until I discovered vaping.

I don't know about you but I have a thirst for knowledge about vaping and the safety of the ingredients we choose to inhale.

I think it's too easy to use this as a reason to doubt those that question the safety of the e-liquids we use.
 

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Seriously, you think that just because we smoked we didn't care what we ate, ingested or inhaled? Well it's 3997 less chemicals than we used to inhale so it must be safe?

Trust me, I cared deeply about what I was inhaling, I just couldn't stop until I discovered vaping.

I don't know about you but I have a thirst for knowledge about vaping and the safety of the ingredients we choose to inhale.

I think it's too easy to use this as a reason to doubt those that question the safety of the e-liquids we use.

i wish i could like this post twice
 

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The lack of controls and regulations considering the potential dangers of e-liquids have be worried. I started vaping 2 weeks ago and I am completely off tobacco since day one. But I chain vape ... I agree with more controls and more regulations concerning e-liquids.
I need to know what I breathe.


Tangaroav

Our produce is regulated by The US Dept of Agriculture, your local state's Dept of Agriculture and wherever it is sold is overseen by the local health department so we shouldn't have spinach & tomato recalls but we do. Even more oversight of meat & poultry but people still get spoiled meat or contaminated meat. Same with drugs, they're approved by the FDA & tested by whichever company is trying to sell them but daytime tv is full of ads with lawyers looking for people who have been harmed by joint replacements, transvaginal mesh slings, yaz, lisinopril, and on, and on. What good did regulation do? Made it easy for the lawyers to track down everyone so they know who to sue is all I can see.

E-liquid is so simple that it's really kind of hard to screw it up. Buy from a reputable source just like you do if you want decent produce. Sure, a bad apple gets in once in a while or the potatoes get frozen on the way to the grocery store so you end up with a 10 pound bag of mush every few years.
 

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Seriously, you think that just because we smoked we didn't care what we ate, ingested or inhaled? Well it's 3997 less chemicals than we used to inhale so it must be safe?

Trust me, I cared deeply about what I was inhaling, I just couldn't stop until I discovered vaping.

I don't know about you but I have a thirst for knowledge about vaping and the safety of the ingredients we choose to inhale.

I think it's too easy to use this as a reason to doubt those that question the safety of the e-liquids we use.

I have a thirst for knowledge that is satisfied by doing research and learning as much as I can about whatever it is I'm about to do.

If I were that worried I would ask the shop for a full disclosure of ingredients, and ask to see the mixing room. Then I would go home and research all those ingredients and make a decision that would cause me not to worry. I personally view worrying as a waste of energy that raises one's cortisol levels, causes acne and stomach trouble, and prevents one from getting a good night's sleep. Fear is the path to the dark side.

As has been suggested, OP can either minimize vaping risk by going unflavored or doing DIY juices, or or course choose another means of quitting, and/or simply vape as little as possible. There is nothing more that anyone can advise or say, to soothe his or her worries. We aren't qualified to do that. We've all left one black box where we were fairly certain it would kill us, to another black box where the likelihood of being killed by it is more favorable, particularly in the short term.
 

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I knew smoking cigarettes was bad, yet I kept on for over 20 years knowing the dangers. There were so many toxins in a cigarette it would take pages and pages to list them all. Yet now we have vaping. 4 ingredients. We know exactly what we are inhaling..PG, VG, nicotine, and flavoring. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that PG and VG is safe. It also doesn't take a genius to find evidence that nicotine is no more dangerous than caffeine. The only ingredient left is flavorings. Sure there are a few flavors we need to avoid. A little research goes a long way with that. Even the vendors substituting what they think is safer can still be a little skeptical. So, avoid anything buttery, custards etc... Even with inhaling custards, for me, I don't see a risk because it is such a minute amount of that actual flavoring. Everybody has to decide for themselves what is safe. If I was that concerned I just wouldn't Vape and I would probably not bake cookies or cakes or be in anybody's house that does. You breathe/inhale these flavors every time you bake a dessert! That's why I find worrying about it so extreme. We breathe worse in public when we walk by a car running or fill our vehicles with gasoline.

I will continue to Vape and not worry. If inhaling flavorings is dangerous then we all need filtration systems in our kitchens and wear a mask to filter our air every where we go. I'm not trying to be sarcastic but that's honestly how I feel.
 

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Its definitely a whole lot safer then cigarettes. When you think about it, PG/VG, sweeteners and flavouring is perfectly o.k. to vape. Just make sure you know what sweeteners they are using, and the flavouring is something that can have added chemicals. Flavour Art is the most concentrated flavouring with no additional sweeteners, look for those types of juices.
 

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lol control + regulation = big tobacco

do you really want 300 chemicals added to your eliquid?

also, control/regulation has zero bearing on research. it's mostly just a matter of taxes and other BS. what you really want is more research NOT MORE CONTROL!!

This is so true! They would put in more chemicals to make us even more addticted, just as they currently do with cigarettes.
The nicotine itself isn't so addictive, no more than coffee is. However if they get to decide they will make sure it's going to be the same as with cigarettes.
 

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I need to know what I breathe.


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Seriously ?

Walking around in a metropolis full of cars and industry, all spewing all sortrs of sh** into the air...

Asked the people about that who are living around Fukushima ?

After inhaling a few thousand chemicals with every puff from a cigarette ?

Are we being now holier than the pope ? Are we going to hop on the hypocrite bandwagon ?

Are you aware of the fact, that - statistically - every fifth breath you take - contains molecules that have passed trough someone elses intestinal tract and left the same through their repsective back ends ?

Mind you : the fact, that we have found a cleaner, less unhealthy alternative to slowly poisoning oursleves does not mean that I give carte blanche to the liquid vendors/manufacturers to pour together all sorts of crap at their leisure for a quick buck.
Reputable vendors do react - see diacetyl ( popcorn lung ) - they took that stuff off the shelves even before the final verdict was out.
And the quantities in e-liquids were miniscule compared what the affected workers had beeen exposed to.

If you wanna know what's in it - then DIY.

And hold your breath when not vaping, never know what's in it ;)
 

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The lack of controls and regulations considering the potential dangers of e-liquids have be worried. I started vaping 2 weeks ago and I am completely off tobacco since day one. But I chain vape ... I agree with more controls and more regulations concerning e-liquids.
I need to know what I breathe.


Tangaroav

OP ^

the production of analog smokes is not regulated, that is how they get away with the additives. frankly i don't personally care. since i make my own e-liquid, i don't really have a horse in the race. i think anything is fine as long as the companies are up front about what they use. but lets say i had no other option and had to buy my pre-made e-liquid, i would go with the vendor that is well known, has lots of info about the product specifically chemical analysis. and seems to take pride in producing quality products. i starting making my own e-liquid 2 months after i quit smoking and started vaping before that i was using "totally wicked red label" i would still use totally wicked today i use some of the flavors they sell in my DIY e-liquid all the time.. (still smoke cigars once in a great while so i did not really quit smoking, just smoking cigarettes)


some of the "e-liquid tobacco flavorings" are the same flavors BT adds to the tobacco at various stages.
black licorice is a well known flavor BT likes to use. with the right growing conditions and fermentation tobacco can produce some pretty nice flavors. BT does not want to pay the price for 10 year old exotic tobacco only to grind it up into cigarettes. the wrapper / binder leafs in cigars have been aged for at least 2 years. to give you an idea i have one cigar right now that has a wrapper leaf from 1990 but was rolled recently in the last few years. another one of my favorite cigars is from 2001, the entire cigar has been sitting in a cedar vault or my humidor for 13 years. getting decent flavors from tobacco takes time and that sort of thing commands a high price that BT is not going to pay, so that is why they add flavors and other things.

seems like people are looking for a "Guilt Free" smoke in the e-cig. people lie to themselves and others when they say "vaping is safe or harmless". all of this talk about flavorings being bad had me thinking about this subject. heating up a liquid and inhaling the vapor is not healthy, is it better than smoking tobacco? sure, but its not totally safe. nicotine alone can present some side effects. an elderly person i know had back pain so bad he could not move the doctor gave him some pain meds and told him to stop using nicotine because it constricts blood flow and he did, a few weeks after he quit he was up walking around... never used any nicotine product again says his back pain is almost nothing. he says when he craves nicotine he just goes for a 20 minute walk around outside.

inhaling anything other than clean air is not good for humans. obviously there are some exceptions like when its to administer a life saving drug. but recreational smoking or vaping even 0 nicotine e-liquids is never going to be considered a healthy or even harmless thing to do.

i understand that e-cigs are about harm reduction, and people are looking at the safety of inhaling flavorings. seems like a good place to start trying to improve. the heating coil and wick design works well enough but is overheating and breaking down some of the chemicals (this is why wicks gunk up) Vibrating Mesh Technology is something i have been looking at for a while now but it just does not produce smoke like vapor its more a mist.
 
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