Worried about e-liquid

[AndriaD]

You know, there are starting to be so many posts like this around here, everytime I see one now, I can't help but think "another BT/BP/gov't troll on the loose"...

They all seem to claim to be vapers themselves, while at the same time casting doubt on some aspect of vaping... to try and make us all worried about it...?

Anyone else notice this phenomenon?

Andria

 

[happydave]

You know, there are starting to be so many posts like this around here, everytime I see one now, I can't help but think "another BT/BP/gov't troll on the loose"...

They all seem to claim to be vapers themselves, while at the same time casting doubt on some aspect of vaping... to try and make us all worried about it...?

Anyone else notice this phenomenon?

Andria

i am a "real" e-cig user / vaper. i am here to say vaping is not "safe" its probably safer than smoking tobacco. but vaping is not totally safe.
driving your car is not totally safe, but there has been a lot of research and safety mods (seat belts / airbags) made to cars over the years that do save lives. some old classic cars do not even have shatter resistant glass.
the same sort of research and modifications will happen to e-cigarettes.

 

[AndriaD]

i am a "real" e-cig user / vaper. i am here to say vaping is not "safe" its probably safer than smoking tobacco. but vaping is not totally safe.
driving your car is not totally safe, but there has been a lot of research and safety mods (seat belts / airbags) made to cars over the years that do save lives. some old classic cars do not even have shatter resistant glass.
the same sort of research and modifications will happen to e-cigarettes.

Nothing in life is safe; life on planet Earth is hazardous to your health. But compared to smoking cigarettes? GIVE ME VAPING! I quite enjoy the text on the back of the Pipe Sauce I have: "Surgeons in General Declare Life Will Cause Death."

Let us hope most earnestly that no gov't busybody ever gets busy trying to "regulate" e-juice or anything else about vaping.

Andria

 

[Rickajho]

The lack of controls and regulations considering the potential dangers of e-liquids have be worried. I started vaping 2 weeks ago and I am completely off tobacco since day one. But I chain vape ... I agree with more controls and more regulations concerning e-liquids.
I need to know what I breathe.


Tangaroav

What alleged "potential dangers" are you referring to? Drinking too much water is potentially dangerous. Unless you spell out the alleged potential dangers you are referring to I'm not about to stat worrying about - nothing.

 

[k702]

Every one of you is right. Still I feel that an error or negligence could result in an accident with unkown consequences for all of us. I too am afraid of regulations but we would not drive on the roads without rules and regulations .....

TangaroaV

Driving and vaping don't make a good comparison. Closer to operating a motorcycle without a helmet, which many feel is their right... that doesn't matter though. It really comes down to either being adults who understand the possible consequences of their actions and own those actions, or being figurative children who need an authority figure to take care of them.

I for one would rather be an adult.

 

[spewny]

Buy liquids from vendors and brands that disclose their ingredients.

This is actually a case where Chinese companies are often better, like Dekang and Hangsen. Some American companies are taking LorAnn food flavorings and adding them to some nic base and selling it, even though not all food additives are safe to vape. There's about three food additives that are absolutely unsafe to vape (all butter flavors), and about a half dozen more that are problematic.

I couldn't agree with this more. I 100‰ feel that vaping is safer than smoking, and the last thing I want is ridiculous regulation and oversight. That being said, vaping is still the wild west in a lot if ways and legitimacy comes from transparency. I'm not saying give out the secret recipe, but everything we eat today lists every single ingredient. I for one think 2nd/3rd hand vaping is bs, but what if there is a nut extract in my vape and my niece is allergic? I need to know that when I'm buying, not just a "it tastes nutty" in the description.

Again, I know I'm new, so please don't chew my head off, but the only way to stay unregulated is to self regulate. As was said before most vendors are doing this already, but the next step is to make the buying public completely aware of exactly what they are putting into their bodies.

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[-mj01-]

OP ^


seems like people are looking for a "Guilt Free" smoke in the e-cig. people lie to themselves and others when they say "vaping is safe or harmless". all of this talk about flavorings being bad had me thinking about this subject. heating up a liquid and inhaling the vapor is not healthy, is it better than smoking tobacco? sure, but its not totally safe. nicotine alone can present some side effects. an elderly person i know had back pain so bad he could not move the doctor gave him some pain meds and told him to stop using nicotine because it constricts blood flow and he did, a few weeks after he quit he was up walking around... never used any nicotine product again says his back pain is almost nothing. he says when he craves nicotine he just goes for a 20 minute walk around outside.

inhaling anything other than clean air is not good for humans. obviously there are some exceptions like when its to administer a life saving drug. but recreational smoking or vaping even 0 nicotine e-liquids is never going to be considered a healthy or even harmless thing to do.

i understand that e-cigs are about harm reduction, and people are looking at the safety of inhaling flavorings. seems like a good place to start trying to improve. the heating coil and wick design works well enough but is overheating and breaking down some of the chemicals (this is why wicks gunk up) Vibrating Mesh Technology is something i have been looking at for a while now but it just does not produce smoke like vapor its more a mist.

1. And yet, our air is far from "clean".

2. While I'm not going so far as to say vaping is completely healthy (I do believe it is a "lesser evil" or "safer" or "healthier" than smoking - all relatively speaking), I cannot believe that losing nicotine caused the old guy's back pain to go away. I'd be willing to buy that his going to the doctor, using pain meds, and exercise are all directly helping his back - but I won't believe there's a relationship between the man's back pain and nicotine use.

3. Also taking a wild guess here - the elderly person you speak of in your story was smoking analogs - not vaping?

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

Well to each their own! I am not worried. Every breath you take you are inhaling something! I see very little problem with vaping flavors considering our houses can fill up quickly with the odor of anything we bake! I almost find it exhausting to even comment!

I understand if you are new you may not understand or haven't researched enough. That's understandable. But...please go research. And please, don't take everything you read as the gospel truth. Make sure what you are reading comes from a source that doesn't have a hidden agenda.

 

[neutrontech]

I'm pretty new here but this seems like one of those fear mongering threads. I could be wrong though.

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[440BB]

For a new vaper, the fact that vaping is working to help you stop smoking is the first priority, as it is far, far safer than smoking. Should you find that vaping for more than a few months is important to keep the smoking cravings away, then the ongoing accumulation of what you are inhaling becomes more important. Taking the time to do your homework about what is in the flavorings is worth it to gain peace of mind, and searching out professional liquid vendors who are open about their sources and use proper laboratories is just good sense.

If you are looking at vaping for the long term, it makes sense to pursue making your own liquid blends, as you can control the sources and quantities of the components. You can also adjust your flavoring levels down over time to minimize their possible effect. As most nicotine absorption occurs before the vapor reaches your lungs, you can also puff much like a cigar and still get that nic fix.

Keeping abreast of new research and adjusting what and how you vape makes it a pretty darned safe method to keep away from smoking.

Just like most things, common sense and moderation are the best option. Regulation won't assure me of anything I can't find out for myself, and may allow things that are not the safest. If this new habit works to replace the known killer, it is worth spending time here on ECF looking into best practices.

 

[-mj01-]

There should be no more regulation (in my opinion) than one experiences in a restaurant. The chef has the liberty of choosing his ingredients (within reason) in preparing a meal. Most restaurants are subject to health inspections and standards are set that "should" be maintained in the course of normal operations.

Beyond that, any "regulations" are unnecessary and excessive in my opinion.

 

[Myk]

You know, there are starting to be so many posts like this around here, everytime I see one now, I can't help but think "another BT/BP/gov't troll on the loose"...

They all seem to claim to be vapers themselves, while at the same time casting doubt on some aspect of vaping... to try and make us all worried about it...?

Anyone else notice this phenomenon?

Andria

And they always seem to have a low number of posts. Some can't even wait to fake a handful of "me too" posts to get their numbers up and are still in single digits when they start.
It sure has stepped up since this year's state congressional sessions started with an increase in ban attempts.

 

[Merryhellion]

Doing business with vendors who a. make their own, b. share the info on the grade/origin of their ingredients, and c. are in your own country where any laws passed will effect their responsibility for a safe (relative to nicotine) product, will greatly reduce any risks inherent in purchasing products that you put in your body. Further selection based on reading data that is true, and not just scare puff webtrolling, will help as well.

Hope this was of some assistance.

 

[Guitarguy365]

Yes. Because the government makes everything they touch so much better. More like more expensive and ridiculous. As stated many times in this thread, there are four ingredients in your e juice. Of you're not comfortable with that... Then perhaps vaping is not for you.

 

[Fisheeboy]

And they always seem to have a low number of posts. Some can't even wait to fake a handful of "me too" posts to get their numbers up and are still in single digits when they start.
It sure has stepped up since this year's state congressional sessions started with an increase in ban attempts.

I have the same concerns as the person in the quote above your post and I have noticed the same things as you. I just try to be careful to not point the "You're trolling" finger too quickly. (NOT saying that you have or do) What I do is go and see all the posts they have made and try to get a better idea of whether or not they seem genuine. I don't want to ever be a source of discouragement to a new member and certainly not to newb vaper. I look at the 8 post made by this OP and imo they seem genuine. I'm not trying to scold you or anyone else. I just picked your post so I could speak a bit o my mind.
I love the ECF and all of its genuine members and I hate trolls. I have no doubt that they have infiltrated the forum. So much so that some of us are too quick to assume that is what a person who asks a legitimate question is wrongfully labeled as such.
words by Fishee

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

ANTZ are the same as the bug ants.

Ants come in small armies. (ANTZ team up with other ANTZ). They love to converse with each other and spout out lies.

Ants make their way in your house. (ANTZ are on the news and write facticious articles we see on TV/newspapers/online).

Ants protect their nest at all cost. (ANTZ protect their nests too. Their nest is money). They will write half-truths and poorly written articles with no research whatsoever. Many are backed by hidden agendas from BT or BP.

Ants are aggressive and dangerous in numbers. (ANTZ are extremely dangerous in numbers). These numbers can cause negative changes to large amounts of people.

Ants like sweet foods. (ANTZ love sweets. Most article writers of ANTZ propaganda are heavy from desserts, pies, and cakes). No offense to overweight folks but when you slam others for something you think is harmful, first cast the mote from thy own eye.

Ants are found all over the world except Antartica. (ANTZ are everywhere, except Antartica as well). They shutter at the cold environment because food is scarce.

Ants attack and defend themselves by biting and, in many species, by stinging, often injecting or spraying chemicals such as formic acid. (ANTZ will attack without provocation on a whim. They also bite and sting with rediculous lies and inject poisin into the masses.)

Ants are considered as pests and a nuisance. (ANTZ are a nuisance. They torture vapors in an evil attempt to force them into regulations and taxes.)

ANTZ would love nothing more than to see us all like little ants all traveling one direction and brain washed. The only way to rid ants/ANTZ is to squash the nest with the Queen(gov and law makers)inside. Squashing lies by proving truths and making our voice heard.

 

[Myk]

I have the same concerns as the person in the quote above your post and I have noticed the same things as you. I just try to be careful to not point the "You're trolling" finger too quickly. (NOT saying that you have or do) What I do is go and see all the posts they have made and try to get a better idea of whether or not they seem genuine. I don't want to ever be a source of discouragement to a new member and certainly not to newb vaper. I look at the 8 post made by this OP and imo they seem genuine. I'm not trying to scold you or anyone else. I just picked your post so I could speak a bit o my mind.
I love the ECF and all of its genuine members and I hate trolls. I have no doubt that they have infiltrated the forum. So much so that some of us are too quick to assume that is what a person who asks a legitimate question is wrongfully labeled as such.
words by Fishee

It's been happening so much lately I've stopped looking them up.`
You can't prove they're an ANTZ or someone just parroting what they've read from the ANTZ so may as well treat them like they're either. Say where their information comes from and offer the real information.

 

[Asmo6]

Have you never heard of food recalls or pharmaceutical recalls? What you're worried about is bound to happen with or without regulation.

Or automobile recalls.

Think of how regulated that industry is.

How about ammunition manufacture? Ever seen what a double charged case will do to a rifle? You guys worry about battery safety and talk about that blowing up. Puh-lease. 5.56 is 50k+ psi. Now double charge the case.

That will take forged aluminum and good steel and turn them inside out with you somewhere in close proximity.

And that's an intermediate caliber...


Life is full of risks. Common sense, and keen observation - yes. Gov regulation. Please god, no...

 

[edyle]

The lack of controls and regulations considering the potential dangers of e-liquids have be worried. I started vaping 2 weeks ago and I am completely off tobacco since day one. But I chain vape ... I agree with more controls and more regulations concerning e-liquids.
I need to know what I breathe.


Tangaroav

Take control. DIY. Buy 100%PG 24mg liquid and add your own glycerin.

 

[TRoxx]

You do realize that we're not ALL farmers right? LOL

Yes I do..
LOL...
but...
Who really knows what is in their eliquid...?
Do you trust strangers on the interweb selling Juice...
Who knows exactly whats in the juice they are vaping..?