very very nicely done looks as if its realistic, what the cost ill pay to get one 
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That looks like a photograph when I look quick. You did that from scratch. Wow! Glad you survived the shopping trip and now the framing is done. Good stuff.
Good morning everyone. I survived the shopping trip and lunch yesterday, just barely.
So I was reading another thread about people getting tired of or no longer liking or being able to taste juices they used to like and I had sort of an epiphany.
I think the reason we lose interest and get tired of flavors we liked is because - well they're flavors. I smoked the same cigarette for 30 years and they always tasted the same - like a cigarette. But Let's face it there is no juice out there that tastes like a cigarette so we resort to "food" flavors. If you ate bologna every day for 30 years I bet you'd be pretty sick of it. I'm a "coffee snob" according to Jazz because I can't just drink the same stuff over and over. I get tired of it and generally have 4 or 5 types of coffee in the house. If I drink the same coffee over and over I lose the taste for it. I think it's the flavors themselves that make us seek variety. Our brain maybe associates smoking with smoking and vaping with food? Does that even make sense?
I think the reason we lose interest and get tired of flavors we liked is because - well they're flavors. I smoked the same cigarette for 30 years and they always tasted the same - like a cigarette. But Let's face it there is no juice out there that tastes like a cigarette so we resort to "food" flavors. If you ate bologna every day for 30 years I bet you'd be pretty sick of it. I'm a "coffee snob" according to Jazz because I can't just drink the same stuff over and over. I get tired of it and generally have 4 or 5 types of coffee in the house. If I drink the same coffee over and over I lose the taste for it. I think it's the flavors themselves that make us seek variety. Our brain maybe associates smoking with smoking and vaping with food? Does that even make sense?
That's a good thought Lox.
I know that I never really cared what a cigarette tasted like (unless it was one that wasn't my brand, lol). But I can go on a Chili Cheese Fritos kick and eat them every day for a month, then I get sick of them and don't touch them for 2.
I know that I never really cared what a cigarette tasted like (unless it was one that wasn't my brand, lol). But I can go on a Chili Cheese Fritos kick and eat them every day for a month, then I get sick of them and don't touch them for 2.
So I was reading another thread about people getting tired of or no longer liking or being able to taste juices they used to like and I had sort of an epiphany.
I think the reason we lose interest and get tired of flavors we liked is because - well they're flavors. I smoked the same cigarette for 30 years and they always tasted the same - like a cigarette. But Let's face it there is no juice out there that tastes like a cigarette so we resort to "food" flavors. If you ate bologna every day for 30 years I bet you'd be pretty sick of it. I'm a "coffee snob" according to Jazz because I can't just drink the same stuff over and over. I get tired of it and generally have 4 or 5 types of coffee in the house. If I drink the same coffee over and over I lose the taste for it. I think it's the flavors themselves that make us seek variety. Our brain maybe associates smoking with smoking and vaping with food? Does that even make sense?
Hey everyone,
Lox, of course! This is why my favorite flavors I try to only vape for very short periods. Now, some flavors I can go at for a long time without them getting wonky, old or dull, but for the most part, variety keeps it all fresh. I find that certain tobacco flaovrs never tire for me simply because the "hit" is always there. Sometimes I couldn't care less about tasting a liquid--I just want the hit! As crazy as it may look to see me of all people say this, Dekang DK-Tab always hits great and it's just too good of a basic tobacco (though I love it) to get old.
Come to think of it you're right (except for the coffee 
) - while most vapers shy away from the tobaccos, many end up back there (including me) and mix in the food flavors here and there.
Hmmmmm.....and even vendors who infuse fruits into their tobaccos miss the mark by over doing the fruits I think. Most cigs I've read the ingredients on have other flavors in there but you can't pick them up. Unfortunately you can no longer see those flavor profiles as the FDA doesn't require them to be divulged I remember seeing blueberry, grape, licorice, etc. but you don't recognize the flavors since they are trace amounts. I even tried the way back machine and the year i read the long list of ingredients is MIA.
) - while most vapers shy away from the tobaccos, many end up back there (including me) and mix in the food flavors here and there. Hmmmmm.....and even vendors who infuse fruits into their tobaccos miss the mark by over doing the fruits I think. Most cigs I've read the ingredients on have other flavors in there but you can't pick them up. Unfortunately you can no longer see those flavor profiles as the FDA doesn't require them to be divulged
I remember seeing blueberry, grape, licorice, etc. but you don't recognize the flavors since they are trace amounts. I even tried the way back machine and the year i read the long list of ingredients is MIA. Thanks Mr Mann sometimes things make sense in my head but not to anyone else
I think I need to do some nets using actual cigarette tobacco (apparently WholeCig used my method and nailed it ) The tobaccos I've been using are more widely used in cigars and pipes and while very good they don't taste like a cigarette. Maybe a cig alike set up with wta cigarette net for the craving killer and flavored juices the rest if the day would finally put me back over the hump.
Actually now that I think about it when I actually quit the first time it was with a 306 using only tobacco. I was off cigs 3 months before I found ECF and started flavors. 4 months later I was back to cigs.
I think I need to do some nets using actual cigarette tobacco (apparently WholeCig used my method and nailed it
) The tobaccos I've been using are more widely used in cigars and pipes and while very good they don't taste like a cigarette. Maybe a cig alike set up with wta cigarette net for the craving killer and flavored juices the rest if the day would finally put me back over the hump. Actually now that I think about it when I actually quit the first time it was with a 306 using only tobacco. I was off cigs 3 months before I found ECF and started flavors. 4 months later I was back to cigs.
Thanks Mr Mann sometimes things make sense in my head but not to anyone else
I think I need to do some nets using actual cigarette tobacco (apparently WholeCig used my method and nailed it
Actually now that I think about it when I actually quit the first time it was with a 306 using only tobacco. I was off cigs 3 months before I found ECF and started flavors. 4 months later I was back to cigs.
Yeah, I can't remember whom it was, but I think someone told JF to do the "Lox way!"
Does that even make sense?
YES . . .
AND - I've personally said this Over & Over & Over again . . . If I wanted Waffles, Blueberry Muffins, Vanilla Cake, Bacon, Coffee, Tea, Candy Cane, Apple Pie, etc. - Then I WANT To EAT that item - NOT "Vape" IT . . . Food is for Eating . . . Worse is the fact that every single time I do try one of these type of "Flavors" - All I want is a CIGARETTE . . .
Just Sayin' . . .
Yeah, I can't remember whom it was, but I think someone told JF to do the "Lox way!"
Actually I traded him a provari for about a gallon of wta
and I threw a sample of my net in the package. He actually asked me if I was interested in making it for him but I just sent him the info how. I'm a door guy not a juice guy Plus I really like his attitude and wanted to help him any way I could.
he's one of the good ones IMO.Question - Isn't Buying Cigarettes to extract the "Flavor" defeating the purpose of getting away from them and all the additional chemicals that the "Big Boys" put in them . . .
Uncle - try adding mentholyptus - decadent vapers- to your tobaccos - I added some to Boba's and I think I like it.
A long time ago there was a supplier (rath) - I had a sample of an awesome menthol. I ordered more.....it was a mixing mistake - and he was being ousted out of business for a number of reasons including letting people who didn't know what they were doing mix the juice. Subsequent bottles were nothing like it.
My daughter said cool had that flavor years ago (but no longer) it was tobacco with a fruit - she says maybe grape-I said maybe blueberry) and the menthol was definitely eucalyptus. Not a trace of "mint".
A long time ago there was a supplier (rath) - I had a sample of an awesome menthol. I ordered more.....it was a mixing mistake - and he was being ousted out of business for a number of reasons including letting people who didn't know what they were doing mix the juice. Subsequent bottles were nothing like it.
My daughter said cool had that flavor years ago (but no longer) it was tobacco with a fruit - she says maybe grape-I said maybe blueberry) and the menthol was definitely eucalyptus. Not a trace of "mint".
Question - Isn't Buying Cigarettes to extract the "Flavor" defeating the purpose of getting away from them and all the additional chemicals that the "Big Boys" put in them . . .
I'm actually going to buy the species of tobacco they use in them not actual cigarettes. I just need to track down the blend they use in the cigarettes I like. I did the same with the other extracts I've done. I buy only natural tobacco without the additives. Luckily I have a local cigar store that has natural organic tobacco. There's also places on the Internet to buy tobacco leaves.
Just need to research it some. I know Virginia burley is one used in cigarettes. Off the top of my head that's the only one I can think of but I know I've read somewhere the most used ones. I'll keep you updated
Okay - Where do I get that and is it anything like the Menthol Crystal Liquid I have been using . . .
Matter of fact, it was "Lox" that help "Me" find the list of ingredients that Kools has . . . I actually found out that it has licorice in it and I have been using a "Black Licorice" (from "Vapors Choice") flavor to it - which is one of the very few flavors I do enjoy (along with "Absithne" from "The Vape Tree") and add a few drops of Menthol Crystal Liquid and Kolada to them which has been helping so far . . .
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Come to think of it you're right (except for the coffee
Hmmmmm.....and even vendors who infuse fruits into their tobaccos miss the mark by over doing the fruits I think. Most cigs I've read the ingredients on have other flavors in there but you can't pick them up. Unfortunately you can no longer see those flavor profiles as the FDA doesn't require them to be divulged
I smoke/smoked Marlboro smooth. They have an ingredients list online somewhere. Has chocolate, dog safe chocolate and sethong else that stood out to me. Lol I loke dark chocolates. Still not sure what flavors I want to take with me. And out of clean coils and adraid if I make new ones they will short qhile im on vacation. Im trying to decide if I want to plave a hardware order at the ecig store near my grandmothers house and have her pick it up for me to save on gas rather than drive to get me then to store then back to hotel.
I'm actually going to buy the species of tobacco they use in them not actual cigarettes. I just need to track down the blend they use in the cigarettes I like. I did the same with the other extracts I've done. I buy only natural tobacco without the additives. Luckily I have a local cigar store that has natural organic tobacco. There's also places on the Internet to buy tobacco leaves.
Just need to research it some. I know Virginia burley is one used in cigarettes. Off the top of my head that's the only one I can think of but I know I've read somewhere the most used ones. I'll keep you updated
I'm Sure "Jazz" will not mind - So this is for "YOU" . . .
BTW: I'm up North right now I can meet "You" & "Jazz" in Philly on Wednesday and give it to you in person if Ya' Prefer . . . Just Sayin' . . .
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Okay - Where do I get that and is it anything like the Menthol Crystal Liquid I have been using . . .
Matter of fact, it was "Lox" that help "Me" find the list of ingredients that Kools has . . . I actually found out that it has a "Black Licorice" (from "Vapors Choice") flavor to it - which is one of the very few flavors I do enjoy (along with "Absithne" from "The Vape Tree") and use with a few drops of Menthol Crystal Liquid and Kolada which has been helping so far . . .
Not exactly - it's a eucalyptus base so it's not quite the same as your menthol I don't think.
Liberty flights WAS carrying it but has been having issues getting stock. They have their own website - there was a time they weren't selling the concentrate - only reconstituted but I believe they've gone back to the concentrate. Maybe their website tells who their vendors are? TW used to carry it but I don't think so anymore. It's hard to check from my phone - but I know decadent vapor has their own site cuz I was on it the other day.
Did you like the p38? I think I'm the only person on ECF that hated it.
Wow everyone has been piquing my interest today! Claudia, fabulous, I really thought I was looking at a photograph, I'm very impressed!
Lox, you nailed it! And I notice when I'm done done done and nothing tastes good, my old standby 555 that I made up months ago still hits the spot. Even my favorite vanilla custard begins to taste blah and boring after a couple tanks full.
Hi Dale, Shari, Jazz, Alisa, Dolores!! Hi JJ, mr. mann, Uncle, and hey Top have fun at Disney, give the mouse a high-five for me okay?
I spent the day with my kids, my sister and her kids, and watched/smelled her smoke approximately 20 Newports. ONE time I felt like if she lit one more in front of me I was going to lose my mind, but then I turned up the wattage on the good old 555 and the urge passed. The kids finally got rid of the stomach ailment and it looks like the bug skipped me
unless the best is yet to come.
I gotta go make dinner, but I'll pop in again later. . .
Lox, you nailed it! And I notice when I'm done done done and nothing tastes good, my old standby 555 that I made up months ago still hits the spot. Even my favorite vanilla custard begins to taste blah and boring after a couple tanks full.
Hi Dale, Shari, Jazz, Alisa, Dolores!! Hi JJ, mr. mann, Uncle, and hey Top have fun at Disney, give the mouse a high-five for me okay?
I spent the day with my kids, my sister and her kids, and watched/smelled her smoke approximately 20 Newports. ONE time I felt like if she lit one more in front of me I was going to lose my mind, but then I turned up the wattage on the good old 555 and the urge passed. The kids finally got rid of the stomach ailment and it looks like the bug skipped me
unless the best is yet to come. I gotta go make dinner, but I'll pop in again later. . .
Not exactly - it's a eucalyptus base so it's not quite the same as your menthol I don't think.
Liberty flights WAS carrying it but has been having issues getting stock. They have their own website - there was a time they weren't selling the concentrate - only reconstituted but I believe they've gone back to the concentrate. Maybe their website tells who their vendors are? TW used to carry it but I don't think so anymore. It's hard to check from my phone - but I know decadent vapor has their own site cuz I was on it the other day.
Did you like the p38? I think I'm the only person on ECF that hated it.
If it is "eucalyptus base" it is nothing like the menthol I have . . . NOPE - NA DA - ZILCH . . .
So I definitely need to check it out . . .
Okay - Now you are confusing "Me" - I finally realize that "decadent vapor" was a vendor (I see they are in England/ Europe) and I know of Liberty Flights (which I will also check out) . . . Now who is "TW" . . .
Talk to "ME" - "p38" ? ? ? ? I do not have anything that I know of that is a "p38" . . .
AND - If I Do - Please tell "Me" where I would find it . . .
(NOW - keep it ECF Safe - Don't want "You" to be put in the "Sin Bin" - Well not unless I'm there with Ya' . . .
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