Your thoughts on kids who vape, but have never smoked an analog before?

[ElectricalSocket]

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[jpargana]

Kids are faced with so many choices that have dire consequences (smoking, coke, ...., pills, etc) that I really don't care if they choose to vape.

My point exactly. In some posts above, people are telling "no problem with that, as long as the person is of legal age"... but probably (and I apologize if I'm being unfair), some, if not most, of those people had no problem in their conscience about finding cigarettes for themselves, when they themselves were underaged (How many people actually start smoking only after they're 18 or 21?)

I took up smoking when I was fifteen. Obviously, I kept it secret from my parents, otherwise I would have a big problem to deal with...

My own daughter is now fifteen also. If I had the misguided intelligence to keep my habit a secret back then, I have to assume she would also have it, if she felt so inclined. Kids will be kids; this is not a 'dream world' we're living in... we should direct them, educate them, listen to them.. but we will never be able to put them in a glass dome. Nor is it the best way to prepare them for life, but that's for another post!...
So, if later on I came to discover that she has taken an addiction behind my back, I surelly would rather discover that she has been vaping, not smoking, for some years... at least, now they have a better choice, which we hadn't back then. And if they have the brains for it, they will at least choose the least of two evils. Just my 2 cents.

 

[xyanide]

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some, if not most, of those people had no problem in their conscience about finding cigarettes for themselves, when they themselves were underaged (How many people actually start smoking only after they're 18 or 21?)
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So, if later on I came to discover that she has taken an addiction behind my back, I surelly would rather discover that she has been vaping, not smoking, for some years... at least, now they have a better choice, which we hadn't back then. And if they have the brains for it, they will at least choose the least of two evils. Just my 2 cents.

That's a very good point and it reminds me of discussions on sexual education and freely distributing condoms in schools. I'm all for that. When I said the age should be limited I meant of course in terms of sales. I wouldn't like seeing under-aged kids vape, but yeah it'd be better than them smoking. That doesn't mean I would actively forbid my kid (if I had one) from vaping, especially if it had a lot of friends that smoke. Just hypothetically speaking of course.
Besides that there's also subconscious copying behavior and general acceptance of what parents do in front of their kids. I probably would've avoided smoking more if my dad didn't smoke. Many others here mentioned too their kids get curious about vaping just by watching. If you'd ask me you need one rebellious kid if it were to pick up smoking if the parent was vaping.

 

[Marius_Kingsley]

There is a rapidly developing "vaper" culture in the world. For me, vaping is keeping me of smokes. I smoked a pack/day for 12 years and I couldn't be happier with the switch. I have a younger cousin (22) who was told by all of his older cousins (including me) and his smoking friends, "If I ever see you with a cigarette, I will beat the crap out of you." As far as I know, none of us ever saw him with one. He did, however smoke hookahs for a while, and found that he just likes playing with smoke. He knows all the tricks, and he enjoys it. When he saw me vaping, he asked about it. I told him about it and he asked if he could try it. Given all we know about vaping, and all I know about his hookah experience, I saw no problem with it. He's never been an addict. He just likes playing with smoke. After he tried my PV, he went and bought his own with some 0 nic juice. If he keeps vaping 0 nic juice (and he does so rarely), he'll never be an addict, and the effects on his health will be minimal, if any. I'm fine with this.

 

[Jakets]

To me it seems hypocritical to get annoyed since instead of weaning off cigs and quitting smoking most of the people here and elsewhere are just trading over for a big expensive addicting vaping hobby. When you pull out glass tanks, custom super juices and $200 mechanical mods to vape you cant really get annoyed that someone else would be intrigued and want to start vaping, which is touted as practically harmless. Its everyone's own fault for turning vaping into a giant community with merchandise, reviews, popular youtube channels, etc.. and then feeling irritated that someone who doesn't smoke would want to get in on this. In the end vaping is a hobby/community now, love it or hate it, tons of people are going to do it because its popular, much for the VERY same reasons many of us started smoking in the first place.

Just my opinion, I think its great when someone wants to start vaping, its a lot better than starting smoking, and it can be fun and as far as I know its relatively harmless. I'm addicted to Coca-Cola, overall its probably more harmful than vaping to my health.

 

[jpargana]

Besides that there's also subconscious copying behavior and general acceptance of what parents do in front of their kids. I probably would've avoided smoking more if my dad didn't smoke. Many others here mentioned too their kids get curious about vaping just by watching. If you'd ask me you need one rebellious kid if it were to pick up smoking if the parent was vaping.

So true...

 

[JohnnyVsGirl]

Our 21 year old daughter lives with her chain smoking Mom in California. She's been smoking since she was 16 (the 21 year old now) and Mom has had a hard time trying to quit. She's 5 years into smoking menthols and we're building her an Ego starter kit with juices and may send one for Mom too. She already knew about hookah pens but they aren't strong enough for her.

If she had started secretly vaping at 16 I don't think we'd be as worried about her as we are now. John's mom died of lung cancer when she was 50 and we sure don't want that life for her down the road.

 

[Tempesta]

LIke many people, I started smoking aa a young teenager because I thought it was cool. Teenagers have lousy judgment; there is a lot of research on the adolescent brain that explains why. Teenagers also LOVE to piss off adults, so the more disapproval they get, the more they will want to engage in whatever behavior is disapproved.

While I don't want to see kids smoking or vaping (or drinking, or smoking weed) , and would never encourage any of the above (quite apart from its illegality if they're under 18) I'd much rather have them vaping. Once they turn 18, of course, they are free to do as they wish; making mistakes is part of growing up. I can't see vaping as a gateway to smoking analogs, but the anti-everything zealots don't understand this at all. I really don't think they understand the differences between vaping and smoking.

BTW, I have an oral fixation. I also have Type 2 diabetes. I'd rather vape a little 0% than eat a dessert, and it's definitely healthier for me.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Honestly, we cannot allow fear of the ANTZ to change what is right. New vapers who never smoked? I welcome them! Piss on the ANTZ. They will say what they say....so long as the vapers are adults, I have no qualms.

 

[Asmotron]

Tasty flavors, cool mods, and a large hobby aspect? What's not to love?

My neice (14) was staying with us the other weekend and I was vaping some banana juice. As people may have seen from various threads I never smoked, I'm 31, only smoke 0mg, and picked it up for flavor in place of snacking. She showed interest and wanted to try it when she got a whiff of the banana smell coming from my desk area. I gave her a quick education on what my SVD was, what the juice was, and that I was using ZERO nic. She really wanted to give it a go, but I explained to her that I couldn't, in good conscious, let her try it do to its similarity to smoking, and I just didn't feel right doing it. She understood and carried on.

Luckily I had planned for this happening at some point, as she is getting to be that age, and had my "speech" planned. However, if I were to find out she picked up smoking what would I do? No idea. I want to say I would encourage her to go with vaping if she absolutely had to smoke, but obviously I would rather she didn't do anything until she was older.

Actual KIDS (minors) vaping is one thing, but anyone over 18 is another. If they wanna vape, vape. It is probably no worse than pounding coffee, or going on a drinking binge anyway. *shrug*

 

[ElectricalSocket]

Honestly, we cannot allow fear of the ANTZ to change what is right. New vapers who never smoked? I welcome them! Piss on the ANTZ. They will say what they say....so long as the vapers are adults, I have no qualms.

PISS ON THE ANTZ!!

Love it.

 

[VaporClouds]

The way i see it is we all vape because we enjoyed smoking and we dont really want to give it up but we want to live healthier. So if someone is 18 or older and they have never smoked a cig in their life but they start vaping, of course that sounds absurd to us, but they have the same right to engage in vaping or smoking as we did, hell i started smoking when i was 15. I wish i started vaping when i was 18 and never smoked a cig. When i think of it like this, i see nothing wrong with it.

 

[Signal30]

Kids as in those who are under 18 shouldn't vape and if the government is to do anything, they need to prohibit minors vaping, even nicless. Of course the FDA and anti-vaping people are going to hit hard on the topic of youth vaping.

It is the responsibility of B&M shops to ID and some regulation will need to be implemented to at least hinder minors to be able to purchase anything online.

But when it all comes down to it, it's up to the parents to enforce and discipline their children.

 

[JohnnyVsGirl]

Teenagers will do stupid things. Teenagers have figured out that drinking Mio in large quantities can give them massive doses of caffeine. I once dangled a brass unicorn wind chime in front of an electrical socket as a kid and thought driving my Dodge Neon at 100 mph down a back Iowa country road was a great idea. Thankfully I've lived to the ripe old age of 39.

As adults the best we can do is educate them, provide a good example for them to live by and have faith that they'll figure it out.

 

[zoiDman]

"Your thoughts on kids who vape, but have never smoked an analog before? "

That they are an ANTZ Dream.

A provide a Indefensible Reason for the Obligatory Regulations that were sure to come.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ttes-minors-dont-know-bills-implications.html

 

[BmoreDoug]

It's ok for me to vape. It's awesome and I enjoy it and like the flavors and its relaxing and so much safer and it got me off cigs and no second hand smoke and no stinky smell and blah blah blah blah.

However if you want to vape, you must first pick up a deadly cigarette habit for 20+ years. Only then you can vape and we'll tell you what a smart decision you made and welcome to the community and go to vape meets and recommend juice and tanks and mods and isn't it wonderful?

Sounds legit.

 

[Hulamoon]

- my thoughts too. Why would we grump about 18 year old folk vaping, when what WE did was choose to smoke? As mentioned before, the start-up smoking rate may have gone down significantly vs when I started, but there IS a start up rate and it's still a large number - but now there is also a better alternative. One thing for sure with teens of any generation - they love to revolt. Of course there is a finite number of revolutions in that ideal, so subsequently they end up revolting right back into style (Bill Nelson, great song) and doing something that's already been done, thus ending up exactly where we've all been at one time or another.

It's ok for me to vape. It's awesome and I enjoy it and like the flavors and its relaxing and so much safer and it got me off cigs and no second hand smoke and no stinky smell and blah blah blah blah.

However if you want to vape, you must first pick up a deadly cigarette habit for 20+ years. Only then you can vape and we'll tell you what a smart decision you made and welcome to the community and go to vape meets and recommend juice and tanks and mods and isn't it wonderful?

Sounds legit.

 

[Snickerfritz]

My thought, CTFD (calm the ....... down).

 

[Hulamoon]

Huh? .........................?

My thought, CTFD (calm the ....... down).

 

[Ken_A]

My thought, CTFD (calm the ....... down).

Huh? .........................?

The "F" word is not allowed... Just think about it for a bit