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Maybe you can Enlighten us who Don't know this.
What are you Basing this Comparison on?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...moking-interview-vapeteam-show-wednesday.html And this study. Put both together and viola ! http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...moking-interview-vapeteam-show-wednesday.html
I must have missed where the Studies tested all Flavored and Sweetened e-Liquids. Not to Mention inhalation of Colorants.
Where as I would feel Very Comfortable saying that e-Cigarettes are a Much Healthier Alternative to Smoking. I don't think I would make the Reach that they are as Safe as Drinking Moderate Amounts of Coffee.
BTW - Is there any New Data in the "Study" you listed. Or just a condensing of other Studies Data?
BTW2 - Is there more one way to Asses Health besides if something Causes Cancer?
I truly believe it is.
As for cancer, It's all genetic. We die from it, or we don't.
Maybe you should check on that New Data stuff. I believe Kristen told me it was just a summary of Other Studies data. And many of these studies have Not been Independently Verified. And do not taking into account that there may be Other Chemicals inside an e-Liquid besides PG,VG and Nicotine.
As for Cancer. Your Right we either Die from it or we Don't. But that Kinda Applies to Everything.
There might be other Health Problems with Nicotine besides Causing Cancer. Like Helping Cancers to Grow.
We will all die of cancer if something else doesn't getcha first. In extreme old age it's a natural breaking down of the aged body. Prior to old age however, who knows?
That wasnt what I was referring to. The comment itself just seemed out of place for a regular discussion (f-ful, or non f-ful aside. 
) Wasn't sure who the comment was directed at.
) Wasn't sure who the comment was directed at. The "F" word is not allowed... Just think about it for a bit
I totally understand why you're (seemingly) not impressed with the new...analysis..let's call it. The thing is, there have already been studies on PG & VG. We needed a scientist to interpret what was already available (for now). I mean, one PG animal study used thousands of mg/day if I'm not mistaken. We know the components are pretty much non-toxic in the amounts we use.
Surely he also looked at the food flavoring chemicals? I completely agree with new studies needing to be done though. I know of one that's in the works right now. After looking through one PG study, I understand that it's way more complicated than 'it's in asthma inhalers! Totally safe!'. They also don't suck on the inhaler ALL day. Not a proper comparison. So while we know none of it is going to kill us (at least not as quick as cigarettes), the effects on the immune system, brain, allergies, etc obviously does need to be looked at more closely.
Random thought: I have a feeling inhaling fireworks smoke twice a year will cause worse long-term health damage than daily e-cig use. I wish these health professionals would push for safer fireworks compositions, or ban aerial fireworks for the general population while replacing it with something better, like city sponsored shows with 16"+ shells.
Smoke From Fireworks is Harmful To Health
Surely he also looked at the food flavoring chemicals? I completely agree with new studies needing to be done though. I know of one that's in the works right now. After looking through one PG study, I understand that it's way more complicated than 'it's in asthma inhalers! Totally safe!'. They also don't suck on the inhaler ALL day. Not a proper comparison. So while we know none of it is going to kill us (at least not as quick as cigarettes), the effects on the immune system, brain, allergies, etc obviously does need to be looked at more closely.
Random thought: I have a feeling inhaling fireworks smoke twice a year will cause worse long-term health damage than daily e-cig use. I wish these health professionals would push for safer fireworks compositions, or ban aerial fireworks for the general population while replacing it with something better, like city sponsored shows with 16"+ shells.
Smoke From Fireworks is Harmful To Health
When I started smoking, I was young and stupid. I wish I had never started. I would do my best to convince a young person not to start vaping, but they do, like I did, have every right to be young and stupid. My fear is that the fact that young people are vaping will give people reasons to ban or overly regulate vaping. I believe that as painful as it can be to watch, you need to protect people's rights to do dumb "stuff." (Wow! I discovered the profanity filter!)
This is more along the Lines of what I was saying.
Yes, there is a Mountain of Data for both PG and VG. There is also a Mountain of Studies that have been done on Nicotine. Some say Nicotine is Actually Good For you. Some say that Nicotine Inhibits the Bodies Defenses against Many Serious Illnesses. Including Many forms of Cancer.
But all that aside.
What about Chronic Inhalation of Flavorings, Sweeteners and Colorants? Shouldn't Dosage a Frequency be given some thought for these Chemicals that were Intended for Oral Digestion? And Never intended for Inhalation.
It would be nice to see some Studies done of e-Liquids that are More Representative of what Many people are Using. Heavily Flavored and Sweetened e-Liquids.
Just out of curiosity, which university was this he was talking about?
Leg warmers, dolphin shorts, disco, mullets, and cosplay all agree with you.
Legal adult, old enough for the draft (grew up in Vietnam era) should be allowed to choose their own experience. Kids shouldn't be allowed, of course I don't think anyone wishes anyone to have an addiction they could regret having, but every day I look at a lot of "choices" that are in fact driven habits, all the way from what I think, to that brownie. This vaping habit replaces for me one I enjoyed but knew was toxic and am very happy it is here now as a safer option for adults.
I wonder how the occupational studies factored in. I mean food plants may have aerosolized flavorings in some areas. I think that's how they figured out diacetyl was bad news.
Food Processing Facilities may be one of the Only places where Longer Term Effects of Inhaling Food Flavorings/Sweeteners/Colorants have been documents. If they have been Documented at all?
I wonder how well the Exposure of a Food Worker compares to a Vaper using an e-Cigarette Ever walking hour of the Day?
There have been some threads where some people did some painstaking work trying to mathematically determine the potential diacetyl exposure level through vaping, and then compare that with the exposure that workers in the popcorn plants would be experiencing. If you are interested, let me know. I don't think I'd have too much trouble finding the relevant posts.
What leads you to believe that the liquids tested were free of artificial flavorings or colorants?
The liquids/vapor tested would have had those and anything in those that was harmful would have come up in the chemical analysis? And the "contaminants" discussed in the study are the "Other Chemicals inside an e-Liquid besides PG,VG and Nicotine." Would current tests cover every flavor available? No, but as someone pointed out, if long-term inhalation of mists from those artificial flavors was hazardous, it would have shown up at factories making/using those products first - as it did with diacetyl. They may only have 8 hour exposure in the workplace, but it is straight flavoring in just a tiny bit of PG they are exposed to as opposed to the much more diluted flavoring we get while vaping. I would think, too, that after nearly 7 years on the market, we would be seeing some adverse health effects being reported if the flavoring was a hazard when exposed to the lungs vs. the stomach. The report did say that while nothing found to date is a health hazard, people should still be watched for any health effects after long-term use, but not even the ANTZ have brought up the flavorings/coloring as being a concern with vaping. If they thought it was even a slight risk I would think they would be shouting it from the rooftops by now, lol!You already know my opinion on the "nicotine helping cancer grow" study. They have yet to see that happen in actual human subjects.
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Would you rather your cousin pulled out an analog and smoked it while you vaped? At least he's starting on the right track instead of using analogs first.
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