ZFM Zero Filler Mod

[Puff Daddy]

I thought I found the perfect fit with the blue foam plug but, after trying this mod WOW.
Very simple to do with a leather hole punch. Uses all the liquid and does not give off that burnt atty taste that was prevalent with the blue foam. It would be cool to see a production version with a molded silicone insert.
Love it.

 

[Scottbee]

It would be cool to see a production version with a molded silicone insert.
Love it.

I have a funny feeling you'll be seeing this very thing.... soon.

 

[eclypse]

Air flow, air flow! No air flow the juice will hold in the cart... though at the same time air flow will equal leakage.

Its were i'm stuck at, at this moment and its making me want to stop trying. We need a seperate air chamber in the cart like the old straw mod to get anything to work right.

Currently, i'm trying to find something to work with high voltage.. the blue foam burns at high voltage! So i'm here trying to get this to work as it wont melt at 6 volts.

What i'm doing at this moment??? I took apart a flat tip 510 cart. I'm using the inside cap as a base to support the cap. Yes the middle cap in the flat tip is PERFECT and TIGHT and fits just damn right inside the tip of a 510 cart. I hollowed it out so just the outer edge is left... well its a frame. I insert that with tweezers and have it resting on the inner lips in the cart. Then i NEED to have 2 cap plugs to make it really rest on the bridge. Yes you could just have the frame closer to the cart top but then you gota worry about the bridge poking thew the one layer plug and touching the plastic cap edge and melting. So i'm currently trying 2 plugs. The bottom plug has a large hole and the top plug just has an X cut.

Whats happening everytime is theres alot of juice left in the cart after i get that dry taste where you swear its empty. Could try it with the air pressure release mod.. but i know its also that frame to blame as the juice gets stuck on it.

Totally sucks as the slug worked great and the plug worked even better with high voltage.. till i noticed the black spots on the blue foam.

 

[codfish124]

peat i don't know if the plug would work. the atty bridge needs to push against the silicone or the x you put it it will stay closed. needs the pressure to open up the gate.


eclypse im testing both ways on the 801. i poke a small hole at the top of my cart works good but im afraid it will flood the atty from time to time if let set to long.

and with out a air hole ( i glue my plug in place ) works good i do have to give a rest period between heavy vaping.

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

I wish I had a camera but mine is dead. I'll elaboarte but it's not really working well. It looks perfect and should be working!! I simply used the Silicone Sealer and put some into the end of a cart. When it was set, I took it out and sliced it to a thickness about the same as a cart cap. The benefit of doing it this way, I thought, was that it is a perfect fit when used with a straw to support it. If I push tweezers into the center I can see the juice come through. It just doesn't seem to feed my atty. Like every other cart mod I've tried, it seems, for me at least, to be hit and miss. My thinking is that we need to find a way to make something that is easy to duplicate and works every time. I think silicone is the answer but it's not repeatable enough. We'll get it right, just not tonight.

Did you cut a x in the center or did you put a hole? Im asking cause if there is a x there wont be any presure from the bridge to open it.. you probly made a hole but just wanted to make sure before I try the same thing or if we need to try a difrent aproach to it.. try making the hole bigger maybe?

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

Check this out silicone for the foam lovers!! eclypse this one might be right up your alley.. im sure if you call them they would probly send a sample..

Commercial Grade silicone foam is a light density, flexible material with a smooth skin on both sides. Silicone foam is flame-......ant and meets UL 94 VO rating. This material can withstand a 2100°F flame for more than l0 minutes without burning through in thicknesses down to 3/8". Silicone foam is self-extinguishing and generates very little white smoke. Nominal density is 12 lbs./cu. ft. Silicone foam is non-crrosive for use with metals and in hostile environment and maintains compression set. Color is white.


Applications: Outstanding performance in the aviation, mass transit, automotive industries, electronics, construction, furniture, fireblocks, thermal barriers, noise and vibration dampeners, insulation and high-performance gaskets or seals.



F12 Grade Silicone Foam:  CS Hyde Co, IL, USA

 

[kristin]

So, I put on an old PTB cart/flavor and have been dealing with flooding all night. just went into the kitchen, picked up the cut up cap from my first RSP Cap Plug, cut of one of the sides, which was almost the exact size of the cart opening, trimmed it a bit, cut off the corners (to round them) put it on the straw in the cart, inserted the tip of my utility knife twice, to make the X (much easier when it's already in the cart) and now I'm happily vaping away without flooding - less than 5 minutes to make. So, cart #2 is working just as well as cart #1 did!

*contented sigh*

 

[kristin]

Check this out silicone for the foam lovers!! eclypse this one might be right up your alley.. im sure if you call them they would probly send a sample..Commercial Grade silicone foam is a light density, flexible material with a smooth skin on both sides. Silicone foam is flame-......ant and meets UL 94 VO rating. This material can withstand a 2100°F flame for more than l0 minutes without burning through in thicknesses down to 3/8". Silicone foam is self-extinguishing and generates very little white smoke. Nominal density is 12 lbs./cu. ft. Silicone foam is non-crrosive for use with metals and in hostile environment and maintains compression set. Color is white.


Applications: Outstanding performance in the aviation, mass transit, automotive industries, electronics, construction, furniture, fireblocks, thermal barriers, noise and vibration dampeners, insulation and high-performance gaskets or seals.



F12 Grade Silicone Foam: CS Hyde Co, IL, USA

Seems like the ultimate foam! What I love about this silicone is NO alternate taste!

 

[Darmeen]

I am currently on second fill on two 'arch' silicone plugs....one is a little slow on the uptake, and I worry that if i cut the hole any bigger it will just flood...oh, both carts were completely empty after the first run.

I am using EcoPure English Toffee in one and the other is PG RY4...

I am also using the silicone from a spatula, cut in half thickness wise to make it closer to the thickness of the cap (just a hair thicker actually). I found that a small hole works better in this setup than the X because the natural state of the silicone is to bow up (hence the arch) and just cutting the X allows the atty to push it flat, still not allowing a gap for the juice to flow. The hole allows enough to flow to the atty, but not enough to flood...I have had one sitting here for 10 minutes, took a long pull off of it, and no flooding...not after 10 minutes anyway.

This variant is good, but still not perfect.

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

Seems like the ultimate foam! What I love about this silicone is NO alternate taste!

I know flavors are coming threw nicely I agree 100% I also notice the harder you pull the more the cart releases juice.. must be the negitive presure letting out more juice... then when you stop the cart probly takes in more air.. try it pull real hard, then soft ...

 

[jxmiller]

I know flavors are coming threw nicely I agree 100% I also notice the harder you pull the more the cart releases juice.. must be the negitive presure letting out more juice... then when you stop the cart probly takes in more air.. try it pull real hard, then soft ...

Put your finger over the air intake and give it a good suck. Just be careful though. Nice pico mod! Yeah I just came up with that "pico mod" thing.

One of my first mod ideas was using one of these silicone sleeves. I wanted to make a pin hole in it and fill the cart. This would make a barrier that would not really allow any juice to flow. But I wanted to extend the cart somehow with an add on of some sort and also incorporate the ability to apply pressure to the inside of the cart where the juice is (air) which would force the liquid out in a stream similar to a hypodermic needle.

good mod good mod good mod.

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

Put your finger over the air intake and give it a good suck.

no way! I dont want to drink it

 

[smonomo]

Been using the glued on silicone membrane all day, a decent sized slit...maybe too big, but hey, the blade was sharp. The first cart cleared out most of the liquid, but started to taste dry with 3 or 4 drops still in there. (nothing in the cart btw, don't need support) so I cut a thin strip of straw that ran the length of the cart touching the underside of the membrane, refilled, and it vaped clean this time.
Good hits every time, great flavor, no leaks or flooding, it rode in my truck well.

 

[jxmiller]

no way! I dont want to drink it

Weird I do that with some frequency because the auto batteries I have on my 901 do not always kick in. Never had juice come out. Since you are human, you can adjust the suction strength with little effort. I am not saying suck a bowling ball through a straw. Be Careful. And don't let your finger off the air intake while you are still sucking either... It should force juice out of the cart just enough to get it a bit wetter is all I am saying.

 

[Scottbee]

Weird I do that with some frequency because the auto batteries I have on my 901 do not always kick in. Never had juice come out. Since you are human, you can adjust the suction strength with little effort. I am not saying suck a bowling ball through a straw. Be Careful. And don't let your finger off the air intake while you are still sucking either... It should force juice out of the cart just enough to get it a bit wetter is all I am saying.

That's easy to do (and it works well) on a 901.... not so easy to do on a 510.

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

Weird I do that with some frequency because the auto batteries I have on my 901 do not always kick in. Never had juice come out. Since you are human, you can adjust the suction strength with little effort. I am not saying suck a bowling ball through a straw. Be Careful. And don't let your finger off the air intake while you are still sucking either... It should force juice out of the cart just enough to get it a bit wetter is all I am saying.

I know what your saying.. I was J/k I cant even do that with a barleby my atty's are recessed in a case..

 

[kristin]

ACK! Spoke too soon. I must have cut this plug differently - it's flooding like a sieve and I keep getting liquid in my mouth! Have to go recut it - I think I made the X slits a lot bigger this time. I thought that when I was cutting them and I should have gone with my gut - you really don't need a big hole!

(Man, that whole statement was riddled with double entendres! 8-o)

 

[tulsatggr]

I pretty much gave up on the 901 cartridges, and had already switched to the 808 cartomizers, but decided to give this a try..very interesting. I took a silicone baking sheet, placed it in my 3 hole punch and got 3 very nice plugs. I had to trim the edge of one for the D shape, but it sat right on top of the straw. I managed to poke a very small hole right in the middle.....I think this is a success!!! I have tried it with both style attys/carts (hi/lo). I did use the manual batts just incase the atty flooded, but no leaking yet. it appears to be a slow liquid delivery to the atty, only minimal gurgling (none with the hi bridge).

I may have to rethink the 901 cartridges with this mod - thanks for the contribution(s).

 

[Pete54]

Did you cut a x in the center or did you put a hole? Im asking cause if there is a x there wont be any presure from the bridge to open it.. you probly made a hole but just wanted to make sure before I try the same thing or if we need to try a difrent aproach to it.. try making the hole bigger maybe?

I was using an "X". I've punched a small hole in it so we"ll see how that works.

 

[eclypse]

I would think a small hole and then cut the X around the hole would be best as then the center of the X would open more when the bridge hits it.