ZFM Zero Filler Mod

[eclypse]

Maybe its just too much for me here lurking here in the shadows while great minds toil away, but...

Perhaps a hybrid silicone plug... a different material to stick in that tiny hole between the liquid & the bridge of the atomizer. (I have so many from past mods.)

A nice wicking action and a seal we could live with because it would stop leaking, but at the same time not be airtight.

Just my 2 cents of input.

Blue foam plug to plug the hole?? Would that be good?

 

[RatRacer]

Blue foam plug to plug the hole?? Would that be good?

I can see it now: The Slug Plug

 

[Darmeen]

Maybe its just too much for me here lurking here in the shadows while great minds toil away, but...

Perhaps a hybrid silicone plug... a different material to stick in that tiny hole between the liquid & the bridge of the atomizer. (I have so many from past mods.)

A nice wicking action and a seal we could live with because it would stop leaking, but at the same time not be airtight.

Just my 2 cents of input.

I had thought about using a small bit of PTB to stick in the X or * (whatever the cut is) it would certainly allowing wicking and air intake...

 

[eclypse]

I can see it now: The Slug Plug

lol.. No time to play with all that.. its up to someone else.

 

[kristin]

I can see it now: The Slug Plug

Isn't "The Slug" already a plug mod?

 

[Stehle]

Blue foam plug to plug the hole?? Would that be good?

Actually since we have reduced the cartridge opening or plug size down to what I consider a very small opening or hole and we have in the past found many different media types that wick decent, so why not incorporate the best of both worlds.

Scrub pads (blue not green), Buff Puffs, PTB, Walmart vent screens, Fluval, Eheim, Hagen, tulle, brass or stainless screens, etc, etc... and yes even the Marineland blue foam (Type U)!

(Happy eclypse?)

Please feel free to add to the above list for possible suitable candidates for the new Silicone Plug Bridge (SPB)! 8-o

 

[smonomo]

I'm thinking of a thin straw/tube cut at an angle on the bottom, running the length of the cart with a snug fit into the underside of the plug, or even better, moulded in with plug and trim both sides when cured....I dunno, could be a flood gate.

Someone try it, I gotta get out of here.

 

[Stehle]

I had thought about using a small bit of PTB to stick in the X or * (whatever the cut is) it would certainly allowing wicking and air intake...

...and reduce the atomizer flooding that so many have experienced when they feel they have their vaping size on the silicone plug right.

 

[smonomo]

Being a fairly avid fisherman I can tell you that almost all companies now are using scented oils in there lures, and even if when they say silicone I doubt its 100% well as the quality we are looking for as far as heat resistance. That is also another reason why I would not be inclined to use baby bottle nipples. We need something that is 100% known materials and heat resistant.

I thought they might appeal to codfish..

 

[DC2]

So anyone want to save me some time and effort and just flat out tell me that a plug that is perfectly sealed around the edges, and very well sealed around the atomizer bridge, is not going to wick?

Because I didn't know air flow was needed to allow a liquid to be wicked.

Yeah, I was a physic minors about 20 years ago.
But we never got around to studying fluid dynamics.

 

[HockerMagnum]

I can see I'm going to have to be the one to go out and get the silicone tape!

I can see wrapping a straw in it, cutting a hole in the top and making a little "drop-in" liquid reservoir!

I bought a 1" wide X 12' long by 0.020" thick roll of something called "Silicone Rescue Tape" at local Pilot truck stop this morning. Had to sell a pickup load of scrap aluminum to afford it. A box of 5 ncig cartridges and the roll of tape cost me $32.00.

This particular stuff only adheres to itself and is not easy at all to work with. I have made two '801' style cartridge fillers.

One by wrapping a straw end , applying a flat top and allowing the silicone to adhere and form a cap to the straw. Cut the X in this one.

Second one by cutting a broad cross, folding the arms down the side of the straw and wrapping a narrow band of silicone around that. Allowing to bond and form a loose cap with a slot in it.

Had a little flooding with the slot, none with the X. Haven't vaped either one dry yet. Keeping my fingers crossed. If it works I have enough tape to last for my great grandson.

Update:
Well, so much for constant feed from this type cartridge mod on 801 style. It does work great as a home made dobbit though.
Update2:
Until the top piece came off in the dark and drowned my atomizer and pillow.
Back to the stingy but trusty straw and fishtank foam plug.

 

[Interstink]

Although I have this working on three carts, but they are leaking after extended usage. What's worse, leakage or having to top off? For me leakage is MUCH worse!

IMHO, after extended usage this mod will need some more engineering to be feasible. Works great on my USB Pass through for chain vapping, but while on the road, the chance for leakage seem to high at this point.

 

[DC2]

Although I have this working on three carts, but they are leaking after extended usage. What's worse, leakage or having to top off? For me leakage is MUCH worse!

Yeah, I'm with you in that I can't tolerate leakage.

At least if I have a dry cartridge issue I can do a thermometer shake and be back in business.
So I am REALLY happy with the ADP mod right now, and may only dabble in this if it shakes out.


Right now I don't want to waste my time, because it sounds like my idea won't wick.
No responses yet, but that's the impression I'm getting.

So I will instead spend my time working on cutting a straw to replace my spring in the ADP mod.
At least for now anyway, but who knows what the future holds.

 

[bluewraith]

Just an idea I had for the home-based shop, or can be upgraded to a factory line. Really though, the simplicity of this could turn any home into a factory for these.

High-Temp silicone caulking spread over a sheet of glass and formed to the thickness needed will result in a nice sheet of silicone. (or, buy it premade)

Take a 510 cart, and have a tool shop make you one out of metal, with a razor sharp tip. Add a handle, and you have an instant plug maker.
Perfected the hole you need? Have the machine shop add that into your "stamp".

Want to make thousands of them in an hour? Transform that stamp into a rolling pin of sorts, and feed it the premade sheets. It will soon start raining plugs.


Now then.. to go and befriend a tool and die shop.

 

[pmd]

I Like it bluewraith

Now if ecig manufacturer's supplier of the current caps could just redesign a smaller cap with shorter/thinner sides with a pre punched center that you could just pop in the carts, bingo!
I wonder if any suppliers here could request these from the China manufacturers ( assuming all parts come from there) and have them available for the next generation of carts. No more filler, just plugs that
will fit inside the caps.

 

[cadbomb]

How did you do yours cadbomb? Did you use a pen hole, the X the * or something else. I want to give this a try. I will be getting my starter kit today but perhaps in a few days I can give this a go. I'm getting the 510.

Gina

I followed the directions, used the exacto knife to cut right along the rim of the cart, then cut a *, with longer slits going from the long curved edges and diagonally to allow for a slightly larger opening. No puncture in the center. I figured that because of the thickness of the silicone even with the atty pushing down on the silicone, it might not open up well enough by making a perfect *. Seems to work pretty darn well... Obviously the laws of physics do kick in slightly with the liquid and drainage, but it doesn't leak at all, and is completely sealed and closed when the cart is removed. I do have to shake the ecig with the cart in, particularly when the liquid begins to get low due to the air pocket and negative pressure. But as far as I can tell, I just did this today, and so far I've gone through 3 full carts with no loss of liquid whatsoever (minus the buildup of reliquidfied vapor on the vents of the cart). Example of cuts below: (510 cart)

 

[jxmiller]

Yes, I've already gotten this to work... and I got it to work EXCEPTIONALLY well.. on one atty. I used the end of my Cross pen to poke the hole (like a hollow punch).

But..... in my minds eye it is not a viable mod (for me) until I can freely move it from atomizer to atomizer... and (hopefully) change liquid viscosities (within reason) and have it be consistent. I'm not there (yet).

But with one atomizer and one liquid... it's the bomb.

P.S. I am currently using DAP 100% Silicone Rubber Sealant in the blue tube. It is a "stiffer" (higher durometer) silicone than some of the others. It will have a strong vinegar smell during curing (typical) and can be cure-accelerated with water.

So here is what you do. Get some staples. Straighten 2 out and fold in half, not flat like ... leave a tiny gap roughly the size of the thickness of the staple.... once folded in half take the ends and fly them out like the letter "T". Before the silicone is cured, or at least when you can, stick these staples into the silicone near the edge of the silicone on opposite ends. Once it cures you should have something to grab on to to pull it out... but wait. Take a 3rd staple and loop it through each of the first 2 staples bending the wire such that it stays. You can crimp everything nice and tight at this point so that the 3rd staple stays towards the end of the other 2 protruding staples. Now you have a handle... but wait there is more.

Again before the silicone is cured.... take a coffee straw and stick it into the empty (pre silicone) cart and measure or mark where it is level length of the inside of the cart. Cut the straw there. Then put it into the empty cart prior to the silicone (on an edge). This will allow air flow so the juice drains better if needed.

I hope that was understandable. I don't need this stuff because soon I will have my own atomizers. Sorry I cant test and post pics. Hope it at least spurs some good idea or something.

 

[HippyGirl]

I had to waste two caps before I got this right, but I'm lovin' this mod!

• I drew lightly...perfect hit.
• I drew "normally"...perfect hit.
• I drew as if I was trying to suck hell off its hinges...perfect hit and NO juice in my mouth.

Was able to completely drain the cart each time (yep, I've been nic'd!).

It's a winner.

 

[WarrLordd]

Scotty doesn't know, Scotty doesn't knowwwwwww (sorry)

Anyways for thoese who are having issues with the silicone part sticking onto the atty and need to fish it out..Just combine the spring mod with this.. simple cut the spring mod to the side of the cart so it fits.. On the silicone make two hole on each end with a pin. Sorta work it so that u can get the end of both ends of the spring into thoese holes.and push it right in... Sorry my cousin borrow my camera for a trip he's on wish i could post pic of my results.....U can still use the staw inside just gotta work it all up.. takes a while...

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

OK, here is another one Ive been toying with, Im getting really good results with this one too.. if you look at the top of the plug you will see a Very small V cut in to let air in I also found a pen that punches a slightly smaller hole so there is no flooding, However I pulled on it as hard as I could and it did flood but normal hits are really good and emptys the cart... its more consistant then before.. the V cut is smaller then it looks in the picture I had to angle the camera to stop the flash from blinding out the plug..