Not to further derail the IO6 thread I will do so here.
As mentioned in Isaac's post probably the only sub where nothing gets deleted is here. I read in frustrations at times feeling the pain of the individual who is struggling and at the same time does very little to help themselves. Normally this can be associated with nic withdrawals. God forbid they should be doing anything wrong. Well the cold hard facts (stuff that folks do not want to hear) is that indeed perhaps they be doing something wrong.
Are Isaac's products infallible? Absolutely not!
Will everything at IKV cure what ails you? Absolutely not!
With all the hype that has been generated across the forums, folks expect to go to 7th heaven when vaping an IKV carto or atty. Some expect unprecedented performance and longevity 2nd to none. Heck I don't even know what folks expect. In the same vane come expect Isaac to take the crap out there and make it better. This video sums it up rather well...
That video has 15 dislikes at the time of drafting this response. Why is beyond me? Folks do not like hearing the truth??
The hype (not just hype) of the IKV line has hindered the ability to properly BETA test devices for you folks. When is this coming out etc... I am ...., I recommended to Isaac to discontinue posting BETA tests on the open forum. Not to hide what is said, but to allow the unhindered process of accurately testing equipment and ensuring that the equipment is ready and performs to Isaac's high standard prior to release. BTW this is one of a few sites where BETA testing is public, most are done off line between the testers and mfr/vendors and usually under a 2 year non disclosure agreement. This is what normally goes on behind the scenes. Then when the unit his ready for market a few are sent out (not the protos but full production models) to be reviewed etc...
Now I do take offense to certain facts posted by Player 30. I do not know it all but I do know a fair amount of data, that anyone can find themselves with a little research and experience, and experience is key IMMHO. During a video conference with Isaac he showed me the eGo LCD. I was sent the unit for BETA testing because of my vast experience with the eGo and somewhat good knowledge of the eGo T (5 months).
We have seen the pros and cons about the eGo T. I have been using the same atty daily for 5 months. Am I someone special? on the other hand perhaps, just perhaps I just may know what I am talking about. Who in his stable of BETA testers was more qualified to test this unit? I am not trying to be conceited here.
It has been seen here on more than one occasion - well I am not about to give up the juice I vape to use your atties/cartos! Fine, no one has to. At the same time we have said it many time before, liquid is probably the biggest culprit wrt performance and non performance of equipment. Oh, that can't possibly be.
Of late someone went through 26 atties in a 2 week period. Is this normal? When I get 4-6 months out of an atty on avg without ever bothering to clean them. Am I special or is this particular individual's vaping practices/technique out of wack. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine in this particular case what the problem was, when all carts were melted at the end. Clear evidence that the cart were not indexed on the atty and the atty was getting way to hot by continuously hitting it, and then dripping on this extremely hot atty, which causes thermal shock and subsequently a dead atty. No it was simpler to blame the product.
During the LCD tests all was fine until I switched liquids. I started to get dry hits. Sucking without pressing the button did not solve the problem. I gingerly lowered the wick in it's spike with a PC, and the problem was solved. I could have blamed it of the POS that Isaac sent me. No I troubleshot the problem and rectified it.
I will not have much to conclude in my final impressions of this device. What needed to be said has been said in initial impressions. It performs like an eGo T and is totally interchangeable with eGo T components. Those who did noy like the eGO T, then this device is not for you, regardless if it has a fancy LCD screen and is new on the market.
I believe in innovations because this causes the industry to seek greater products, but at the same time there are far too many rainbows out there. Folks need time to sit back and relax and wait for results before jumping in both feet and then posting all pissy about it. I have seen this far too often, and yes it becomes frustrating at times.
When the Missy's wet box came out, sight unseen I knew it wouldn't last. Why? It had a 0.5A switch on it vice a 3A switched. That problem was further exacerbated when folks started to use LR on the unit with IMR batteries.
I am cool with which ever way folks use their equipment to keep them off cigs, it is whatever works for you, and that is all that matters. However, if someone points out the errors of their ways, please don't come back and ..... about it after the fact when the advice provided was ignored.
Many use LRs on eGos = a no no. They were not designed to be used on them. Using LRs on an eGo batt will more often than not lead to a mofset failure and a dead battery. This is widely reported. Well the vendor said I could - yes and he will be there when your battery goes dead and sell you another one.
I have been using this set up for a couple of months know without problem - yes come back in 14 months and tell me you are using the same battery(ies).
Some folks are willing to assume justifiable risk with the aforementioned set up, I wasn't. To me $30 for an eGo batt at the time lost to a $6 IMR 14500 capable of doing the job. I have all the respect in the world for folks that have weighted their options prior to embarking on a decision, vice some of the mis-information out there.
Enough ranting...
In closing I do have a certain way with words that may ruffle a few feathers at times. I am not here to coddle you and will call shenanigans when I see them. As GG said it is merely my opinion and I am entitled to it. You do not have to accept it, nor the advice provided, there is always the ignore feature. Many have benifited from my participation on the forum in some form or another. The good of the many outweigh the need of the few.
That is all I have to say on the subject. Isaac provides quality stuff and if it is not for you, then move on to something that is better suited in providing the Nirvana you seek. Should you have a problem then address it with the vendor, it is the proper way to do things. It all else fails and you can't get satisfaction post your concerns here Reviews of Suppliers if your problem has not been resolved or you feel the need for attention <---- yes we see this at times.
I will not deny that Isaac and I are like brothers, however I wouldn't be here after more than a year if his product was crap.
Switcher,
PS: The atty used at minute 0.14 in now 1yr old as of 10/8. It still vaping like a champ, on a cart and has only been cleaned once. I also do not believe in dry burns
Whoa whoa, let's slow down. Iken didn't leave yet!
I don't know how accurate a Provari is as mine has been lying dormant for the past few weeks, but I'm sure it's close. Let's not argue or bring any hostility here. Here's a fun fact: In the 2 years we been in business on ECF there have been NO deleted threads or posts here in all the sub-forum. Well there's 1 in the Help center but I'm sure it was a Moderators doing as I usually catch it. Mostly all sub forums have 100 to 500+ deletions. I do not plan on having to find a post necessary to delete so please don't make it happen. This goes to no one directly but to all. I like to run a tight ship here where truths can be set free, but hostility and violence is something that is not tolerable.
As mentioned in Isaac's post probably the only sub where nothing gets deleted is here. I read in frustrations at times feeling the pain of the individual who is struggling and at the same time does very little to help themselves. Normally this can be associated with nic withdrawals. God forbid they should be doing anything wrong. Well the cold hard facts (stuff that folks do not want to hear) is that indeed perhaps they be doing something wrong.
Are Isaac's products infallible? Absolutely not!
Will everything at IKV cure what ails you? Absolutely not!
With all the hype that has been generated across the forums, folks expect to go to 7th heaven when vaping an IKV carto or atty. Some expect unprecedented performance and longevity 2nd to none. Heck I don't even know what folks expect. In the same vane come expect Isaac to take the crap out there and make it better. This video sums it up rather well...
That video has 15 dislikes at the time of drafting this response. Why is beyond me? Folks do not like hearing the truth??
The hype (not just hype) of the IKV line has hindered the ability to properly BETA test devices for you folks. When is this coming out etc... I am ...., I recommended to Isaac to discontinue posting BETA tests on the open forum. Not to hide what is said, but to allow the unhindered process of accurately testing equipment and ensuring that the equipment is ready and performs to Isaac's high standard prior to release. BTW this is one of a few sites where BETA testing is public, most are done off line between the testers and mfr/vendors and usually under a 2 year non disclosure agreement. This is what normally goes on behind the scenes. Then when the unit his ready for market a few are sent out (not the protos but full production models) to be reviewed etc...
Now I do take offense to certain facts posted by Player 30. I do not know it all but I do know a fair amount of data, that anyone can find themselves with a little research and experience, and experience is key IMMHO. During a video conference with Isaac he showed me the eGo LCD. I was sent the unit for BETA testing because of my vast experience with the eGo and somewhat good knowledge of the eGo T (5 months).
We have seen the pros and cons about the eGo T. I have been using the same atty daily for 5 months. Am I someone special? on the other hand perhaps, just perhaps I just may know what I am talking about. Who in his stable of BETA testers was more qualified to test this unit? I am not trying to be conceited here.
It has been seen here on more than one occasion - well I am not about to give up the juice I vape to use your atties/cartos! Fine, no one has to. At the same time we have said it many time before, liquid is probably the biggest culprit wrt performance and non performance of equipment. Oh, that can't possibly be.
Of late someone went through 26 atties in a 2 week period. Is this normal? When I get 4-6 months out of an atty on avg without ever bothering to clean them. Am I special or is this particular individual's vaping practices/technique out of wack. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine in this particular case what the problem was, when all carts were melted at the end. Clear evidence that the cart were not indexed on the atty and the atty was getting way to hot by continuously hitting it, and then dripping on this extremely hot atty, which causes thermal shock and subsequently a dead atty. No it was simpler to blame the product.
During the LCD tests all was fine until I switched liquids. I started to get dry hits. Sucking without pressing the button did not solve the problem. I gingerly lowered the wick in it's spike with a PC, and the problem was solved. I could have blamed it of the POS that Isaac sent me. No I troubleshot the problem and rectified it.
I will not have much to conclude in my final impressions of this device. What needed to be said has been said in initial impressions. It performs like an eGo T and is totally interchangeable with eGo T components. Those who did noy like the eGO T, then this device is not for you, regardless if it has a fancy LCD screen and is new on the market.
I believe in innovations because this causes the industry to seek greater products, but at the same time there are far too many rainbows out there. Folks need time to sit back and relax and wait for results before jumping in both feet and then posting all pissy about it. I have seen this far too often, and yes it becomes frustrating at times.
When the Missy's wet box came out, sight unseen I knew it wouldn't last. Why? It had a 0.5A switch on it vice a 3A switched. That problem was further exacerbated when folks started to use LR on the unit with IMR batteries.
I am cool with which ever way folks use their equipment to keep them off cigs, it is whatever works for you, and that is all that matters. However, if someone points out the errors of their ways, please don't come back and ..... about it after the fact when the advice provided was ignored.
Many use LRs on eGos = a no no. They were not designed to be used on them. Using LRs on an eGo batt will more often than not lead to a mofset failure and a dead battery. This is widely reported. Well the vendor said I could - yes and he will be there when your battery goes dead and sell you another one.
I have been using this set up for a couple of months know without problem - yes come back in 14 months and tell me you are using the same battery(ies).
Some folks are willing to assume justifiable risk with the aforementioned set up, I wasn't. To me $30 for an eGo batt at the time lost to a $6 IMR 14500 capable of doing the job. I have all the respect in the world for folks that have weighted their options prior to embarking on a decision, vice some of the mis-information out there.
Enough ranting...
In closing I do have a certain way with words that may ruffle a few feathers at times. I am not here to coddle you and will call shenanigans when I see them. As GG said it is merely my opinion and I am entitled to it. You do not have to accept it, nor the advice provided, there is always the ignore feature. Many have benifited from my participation on the forum in some form or another. The good of the many outweigh the need of the few.
That is all I have to say on the subject. Isaac provides quality stuff and if it is not for you, then move on to something that is better suited in providing the Nirvana you seek. Should you have a problem then address it with the vendor, it is the proper way to do things. It all else fails and you can't get satisfaction post your concerns here Reviews of Suppliers if your problem has not been resolved or you feel the need for attention <---- yes we see this at times.
I will not deny that Isaac and I are like brothers, however I wouldn't be here after more than a year if his product was crap.
Switcher,
PS: The atty used at minute 0.14 in now 1yr old as of 10/8. It still vaping like a champ, on a cart and has only been cleaned once. I also do not believe in dry burns
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........ I didn't blame IKV for my mishap....There is a lot of misinformation out there.....I read a little more and found my own answers.
