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Freemax Maxus Max 168W: Which Color Do You Like Best?

Freemax Maxus Max 168W Pod Mod Kit is inspired by Mesh Pro series sub ohm tanks, which redefine REAL sub ohm vaping for a pod mod. It has many outstanding features with Single/Double/Triple/Quad/Quintuple Mesh Coils for option, Embedded IML Screen, Side Filling System, Multiple Output Modes, Large Side Fire Button, Two-Side Airflow Control, and FM CHIP 2.0, powerful enough to enhance your vaping experience.

Freemax Maxus Max 168W also has many colors for choice: Black, Blue, Gold, Gunmetal, and Silver. As for you, which color do you like best?

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Lost Vape Thelema Solo 100W Kit | Thelema Solo Mod

Lost Vape Thelema Solo 100W Kit

Thelema Solo Kit contains Thelema Solo 100W Box Mod and 5ml UB Pro Pod Tank. It supports single 18650/21700 battery with 5-100W output power range. Powered by Quest 2.0 chip, it can perform extremely steady all the time. There are 5 modes to satisfy different needs of vaping: Wattage/VPC/Bypass/Voltage/Temperature Control(SS904/SS316/Ti/Ni) mode. Thelema Solo 100W Kit features replaceable battery cover design and genuine leather on the battery covers. Equipped with UB Pro Pod Tank of 5ml capacity, it is compatible with UB Pro coils, including RBA coil.

Details:
1. Thelema Solo 100W Mod with UB Pro Pod Tank
2. Single 21700/18650 battery
3. Replaceable battery door
4. Quest 2.0 chip performs extremely steady all the time
5. Five vaping modes: Wattage/VPC/Bypass/Voltage/Temperature Control(SS904/SS316/Ti/Ni) mode
6. 3 user records while normal coil, TC coil and RBA
7. Compatible with UB Pro coils
8. DC 5V Type-C fast charging
9. Unique overlay & genuine leather
10. Multiple protections: Short Circuit/Weak Battery/Overheat/10S Over-time Protection





Thelema Solo Mod

Thelema Solo Mod supports single external 21700/18650 battery with 5-100W adjustable wattage. It features Quest 2.0 Chip and multiple protections to provide excellent performance. There are 5 vaping modes and 3 user records to better satisfy your needs. With Type-C fast charging, it is easy to carry anywhere. The battery icon will stop animating when fully charged. Thelema Solo Mod is designed with unique overlay & genuine leather and C-frame battery door to bring you great using experience. The 0.96' TFT display screen can show you the battery status clearly. In addition, It is compatible with Lost Vape UB Pro Pod Tank.

Details:
1. Supports 21700/18650 battery with 100W max output
2. Type-C fast charging, battery icon to stop animating when fully charged
3. Proprietary Quest 2.0 Chip for excellent performance
4. 5 vaping modes: wattage/VPC/bypass/voltage/TC mode(SS904/SS316/Ti/Ni)
5. 3 user records for normal coil, TC coil and RBA setting
6. Sturdy and removable C-frame battery door, 0.96' TFT display screen
7. Able to work with UB Pro Pod Tank
8. Unique overlay & genuine leather
9. Short circuit/weak battery/overheat/10 seconds over-time protection


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The Cheap Joyetech WideWick Pod System Kit Only 9.99$

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Joyetech WideWick pod has 2ml capacity with top refilling design. Joyetech WideWick cartridge adopts E-liquid Lock-in Mechanism and Quick Re-wick System for better vaping experience.

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Size: 23.5mm*12.5mm*113mm
Battery Capacity: 800mAh
Cartridge Capacity: 2ml
Coil Resistance: 1.2ohm (mesh)
Connection: Magnet
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Charging: 5V/0.5A (USB-C)

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New Arrival | Smok Nord Pro 25W Pod Kit

New Arrival | Smok Nord Pro 25W Pod Kit


Specifications:

  • Size: 96*29*18.9mm
  • Weight: 71g
  • Battery Capacity: 1100mAh (Built-in Battery)
  • Power Range: 3W-25W
  • Input Voltage: 3.3V-4.2V
  • Output Voltage: 3.0V-4.0V
  • Standby Current: 50uA
  • Resistance Range: 0.6Ω-0.3Ω
  • Charging Voltage: 5V±0.2V
  • Charging Current: Max 0.7A
  • Over Charging Voltage: 4.3V±0.05V
  • Over Charging Current: 1.75A±0.3A
  • Over-discharging Voltage: 2.4V±0.03V
Package Content:

  • 1 x Nord PRO Device (1100mAh)
  • 1 x Nord PRO Empty Pod (3.3ml)
  • 1 x Nord PRO-Meshed 0.6Ω DL Coil (Preinstalled) (Best for Freebase Nic E-Liquid)
  • 1 x Nord PRO-Meshed 0.9Ω MTL Coil (Best for Nic Salt E-Liquid)
  • 1 x Type-C Cable
  • 1 x User Manual

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(New Launch) Aspire Minican 2 is coming

Aspire Minican 2 comes with:
1. Crystal clear appearance, compact, portable, stylish.
2. Super cost-efficient.
3. Pod capacity: 2 ml / 3 ml.
4. Convenient refilling.
5. Compatible with all Minican pods.
6. Excellent flavor and smooth airflow.
7. Auto draw
8. Bypass output.
9. Strong magnetic connection.
10. Aspire ASP chipset safety protection.
Do you like the Crystal clear appearance of Minican 2?
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Vandy Vape and TonyB Pulse AIO - The Pulse enters the BoroTank market

The Vandy Vape and TonyB Pulse AIO is at its basics a mainstream version of the billet box, which means it can take the same borotank systems (mostly) that the Billet is able to use.

Vandy Vape and TonyB Pulse AIO - CHAPTERS

00:00 - Intro and specs
03:00 - Close up
18:00 - Temp Control & Wattage Vape
20:00 - Thoughts


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Vapor Giant VG MTL RTA clone

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The Vapor Giant VG clone MTL RTA Rebuildable Tank Vape Atomizer is made from 316 Stainless Steel in 23mm diameter. The mouth to lung RTA comes with Glass and PC tank tube with 3.3ml capacity. The Vapor Giant VG Style MTL RTA is with single coil building deck. The airflow can be adjusted in three stages (0.8mm, 1.0mm and 1.2mm hole) directly under the coil.

More info Vapor Giant VG MTL RTA clone
510 threading connection
316 stainless steel
Pyrex glass and PC tank tube
Top Fill System
3.3ml tank capacity
Single Coil Deck
MTL Drip Tip
Fully closable liquid control
Easy and fast access to the rebuildable base with bayonet lock
Airflow control with air pin, directly under the coil
Air hole size: 0.8 / 1.0 / 1.2mm
Diameter: 23mm
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Innokin Kroma 217 Z-Force Kit Review by Z-Lee

Innokin Kroma 217 Z-Force Kit
May the Z-Force be with you!

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Almost all images were provided to me by Innokin or taken by myself for the purpose of this review. If you would like a photo taken down, please contact me.

Hello folks! Welcome to another one of my overly done reviews. Today I have a kit that would seem to be long awaited by both Innokin fans and DL vapers alike. Earlier this year, during a Q&A with Phil Busardo and Dimitris (VapinGreek) here on ECF, they had both mentioned that a 21700 battery compatible mod was in the works as well as another DL atomizer. With their powers combined (;)) along with the Innokin Team, we have the newest addition to the Kroma-series mods and Innokin's newly released Z-Force DL style tank resulting in the Kroma 217 Z-Force Kit. We'll dig up the dirt on all of this in a bit, but first I'd like to give a special thanks to @Innokin_timmy for coordinating and allowing me to test this product.

My objective in the reviews I do is to hopefully add some unbiased perspectives and considerations. There's no such thing as a perfect product, and I will point that out when I see it. I will also endorse positive changes and concepts, which you'll see quite a bit of in this review simply because I believe Innokin continues to sit on the forefront of pushing vaping technology to new boundaries; something I wish more vape companies would take a chapter from. Changing the knurling on the airflow ring and adding a suffix to the name as a new release for the month, or adding a boost to the chip - which it should have to begin with - is NOT innovation (I'm looking at you VooPoo). I'm really sick of seeing companies do this, and for that I applaud Innokin.


- Quick Overview in Flipbook Mode -
All pictures can be clicked on for easier viewing/readability

The Build.

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The chassis is made of light-weight but sturdy, Zinc-alloy. If you're familiar with the previous Kroma-R, this is that, except on roids.


Color Options.

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  • River Wood
  • Mariana Blue
  • Stealth Black
  • Glass Fiber
  • Carbon Fiber
I received the River Wood and Carbon Fiber variants. I've read about a few people not liking the color matching of the River Wood tank and mod, but if you look at the lighter blue accents on the mod, they match the tank. I think they work great together; same with the Mariana Blue and its darker shades of blue on the mod. The rest are your standard stainless steel, gunmetal, and black designs.


The Z-Force Tank.

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As it states, this is strictly an RDL/DL tank. I appreciate that Innokin did not try to stretch the advertisement of this tank into the MTL region because it is not that. They have several tanks that have already mastered that. The airflow is quite smooth in all settings, and I have yet to hear the itching of a whistle. Y'know, that airflow when you vape, it sounds like it's ever-so-close to whistling - the kind where if there are dogs in your neighborhood, they're all cranking their head to the side looking in your direction.

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DuoPrime Wicking.

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Unlike other dual coil, coil heads where you see two smaller wound coils on the inside, the DuoPrime sports a single coil on the inside of the wick, as well as a single coil on the outside of the wick. The coil on the outside heats slower which allows it to expose layers of flavor from the ejuice simultaneously as it heats up. The concept is brilliant.


Sliding Top-fill.

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Nothing new here. We've seen this design on the Innokin Zlide as well as many other prebuilt coil head tanks. Innokin did execute the membrane style and quality better than they did in the Zenith II which is great to see.


Leak-proof Coil Changes.

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Messy coil changes with full tanks is a thing of the past! A spring-loaded sleeve pops out when the coil is removed, sealing off the tank's juice ports. I filled the tank to the brim and tested how well this performs further below.


Coil+ & Refresh Modes.

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Coil+ was introduced with the Innokin Sensis Pod Kit. When the mod is set in this mode, releasing the fire button heats the coil at 40% of the set Wattage for about a 1/2 of a second which helps to extend coil life and draw in juice for the next vape. The Refresh Mode does essentially the same thing, but fires the coil at 40% for about 4 seconds when selecting Auto. If Auto isn't cutting it, you can select Manual and fire it for as long as you'd like to revitalize the coil.


External Battery Compatibility.

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With the adapter sleeve, you're able to use use an 18650-sized battery (18 mm Diameter * 65 mm Length). Without the adapter sleeve, you can use a 20700 (20 mm Diameter * 70 mm Length) or 21700 (21 mm Diameter * 70 mm Length)-sized battery which is highly recommended. Depending on the choice of battery specs and your preferred Wattage, you can expect anywhere from 0 to 40% more battery life. Remember the 3 Watts per 1 Amp CDR rule. Example: 20 Amp Continuous Discharge Rate (CDR) = 60 Watt max. 30 Amp CDR = 90 Watt max.


USB Type-C Charging.

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The battery charger I used to test the USB-C Voltage and Amps is the XTAR PB2S. It read 4.8V and 1.6A. The XTAR charger itself is rather new to me, so I cannot verify the accuracy of it. However, being that it's not far off from the spec listed below, my guess is that it's fairly accurate. Although the USB-C port works great for recharging, it's highly recommended to recharge the batteries via an external charger to avoid damaging the chip from continued USB abuse.


Protections.

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Two important things I think you should be aware of are highlighted here. The "LOW VOLT" warning is really a good point to consider recharging your battery. To check your battery's current Voltage, Press the + directional button and the fire button simultaneously for a few seconds. Note at the top, that the mod will not fire with a battery Voltage below 2.7V. I would recommend not allowing it to drop below 3.0V for the sake battery stability and lifespan.


Specifications:

Device Dimensions:
132*45*30mm (With Tank)
86*45*30mm (Without Tank)

Net Weight (Kit):
~194-196g

Color of Product:
Glass Fiber, Carbon Fiber, Mariana Blue, River Wood, Stealth Black

Tank Capacity:

2ml/5ml

Resistance and Wattage Range:

0.3 Ohm @ 30-45W; 0.2 Ohm @ 50-80W

Coil Material:

Kanthal

Glass Replaceable:

Yes

Airflow:

Adjustable

Top or Bottom Airflow:

Bottom Airflow

Wick Material:

Cotton flax

Top Coil or Bottom Coil:

Bottom

BVC or Horizontal Coil:

BVC

How to Fill the Tank:

Slide Top Fill

How to Replace the Coil:

Unscrew the tank base to replace the coil

Internal / External Battery:

External 21700 Battery or 18650 Battery (with adapter)

Battery mAh:

Depends on Chosen External Battery

How Long the Battery can Last:

Depends on Wattage setting

Minimum / Maximum Wattage:

6.0W-80W (18650 Battery with Adapter); 6.0W-100W (21700 Battery)

Minimum / Maximum Voltage:

1.0V-7.5V

TC Range:
N/A

Cut-off Time:

3s-18s Adjustable

Tank Compatible:

510 Thread Tank

Max. Output Current:

18650 Battery: 28.5A; 21700 Battery: 32A

Resistance Range:

0.1Ω-3.5Ω

Body Material:

Zinc-alloy

Thread Material:

Stainless Steel

Thread Type (Ego/510?):

510 Thread

510 Connection Type (Spring loaded?):

Spring Loaded

Charging Current:

5V/1.7A

Charging Indicator:

Display screen shows charging status

Battery Capacity Indicator:

Red: Battery <10%
Yellow: Battery 10%-60%
Green: Battery >60%

Features:

- 21700 External Battery
- 6-100 Watt Output
- Coil+ and Refresh
- USB-C Charging
- Z-Force Tank
- ZF Coils with DuoPrime Wicking​

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China 21700 Cell Performance Comparison

Here are the results of my recent testing of several China-manufactured 21700 cells and their basic specs. Choose the one that performs the best (highest E-Score) at the current level you will run them at.

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Note that two of these cells have bottom vents. I recommend not blocking those vents or pressing hard against them during use.

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Lost Vape Thelema Solo 100W Kit Giveaway, 1 winner, ends on Jan. 5th, 2022

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Thelema Solo Kit contains Thelema Solo 100W Box Mod and 5ml UB Pro Pod Tank. It supports single 18650/21700 battery with 5-100W output power range. Powered by Quest 2.0 chip, it can perform extremely steady all the time. There are 5 modes to satisfy different needs of vaping: Wattage/VPC/Bypass/Voltage/Temperature Control(SS904/SS316/Ti/Ni) mode. Thelema Solo 100W Kit features replaceable battery cover design and genuine leather on the battery covers. Equipped with UB Pro Pod Tank of 5ml capacity, it is compatible with UB Pro coils, including RBA coil.

Lost Vape Thelema Solo 100W Kit Giveaway, 1 winner, ends on Jan. 5th, 2022

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Freemax: MX Platform & MS Platform & OX Platform

Now here comes another new platform: MX Platform, which is specially designed for Maxus Series Kits(Maxus Max 168W Kit and Maxus Series Kits on the way). MX Platform is a newly developed atomization platform that is applied to new Maxus series products launched in 2021 and beyond. Up to now, the MX platform has included MX Series Mesh Coils and Maxus DTL Pod, and more Maxus series products will be available in the future.

As we all know, Freemax also launched MS Platform and OX Platform. MS Platform is Freemax’s pod mod system atomization for Marvos Series Kits(Marvos T 80W, Marvos 60W, Marvos S 80W, Marvos 80W, and more Marvos Kits on the way). OX Platform is Freemax’s new pod system atomization platform for Onnix series products (Onnix 20W Kit, Onnix 2 15W Kit, and more Onnix Kits on the way).

MX Platform, MS Platform, or OX Platform, which platform is designed for you?

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Vbar Vapes - One of the hottest vapes 2021

V bar, the abbreviation of vape bar, was finally named Vbar. Vbar is known for its high-quality and good taste devices, which have been exported to all over the world.

So far, Vbar has released 5 products, including VBAR Pod and 4 members of Cubo Series. They are selling quite well and have got many good feedbacks from our customers. Today we are going to have a brief introduction for vbar vapes.

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Vbar Vbar Pod

Vbar Pod is a replaceable and rechargeable kit. It comes with 6 colors and 6 flavors. And the cartridge features its anti-condensation design and anti-leakage structure: built-in oil storage cotton. If you are interested in disposable kits and feel like they are not cost-effective, we highly recommend you Vbar Pod.

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Vbar Cubo Series

Cubo Series includes Cubo Pro, Cubo, Cubo Mini, Cubo Lite. The former 3 members feature the cuboid square tube design, and the Cubo Lite features the triangle tube design. These appearance designs are innovative on the current disposable vape market, and the unique tribal sticker of Cubo mini also stands out from other disposable vapes. All the products of Cubo Series have rich flavor and good taste.

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The New Geek Bar X5000 Disposable Is Coming Soon

Please check out the Geek Bar X5000 Disposable Pod Device 500mAh with crystal clear appearance. The Geek Bar X5000 Disposable Pod Device possesses 12ml pre-filled e-juice with various flavor to meet your different needs. Powered by 600mAh high voltage battery, the Geek Bar X5000 Disposable Pod Kit can provide about 5000 puffs.
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With constant output and consistent taste system and 50mg nicotine level, the Geek Bar X5000 Disposable Pod Kit in Florida will bring you real and smooth taste, massive Clouds and solid throat hit. Just get the Geek Bar X5000 Disposable Pod Device got the more outstanding and ultimate flavor than other disposable pod kit.

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Coming Soon! OXVA Origin Mini 60W Mod Kit

The Flavor Expert is now in Mini! The OXVA Origin Mini is created for on the go with a built-in battery of 2200mAh and wattage up to 60W. It's now smaller, stylish and equipped with the proven Unicoils.The design of OXVA Origin Mini Kit 4ml is Stylish & Pocket-Friendly.OXVA Origin Mini is powered by unicoils.Unicoils not only have the best flavor of its kind, more importantly they don't leak while most coils from major brands have leaking issues.8s Longest Vaping Time offer a better vaping experience for you.New photon chip has six safety protection modes,Which are Short-circuit Protection, Over-time Protection ,Output Over-current Protection, Over-temperature protection, Over-charge Protection, Over-discharge Protection.



Features:
1. Powered by built-in battery of 2200mAh and wattage up to 60W
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6. New photon chip has six safety protection modes
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Storz & Bickel Volcano Classic Vaporizer + Balloon/Valve Replacements

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*Price Includes (1) Volcano Classic Vaporizer + (2) Factory-Sealed Boxes of Easy Valve + Bag Replacement Sets (each including 6pcs) + (1) Filling Chamber*

The Volcano Classic Vaporizer features an advanced balloon bag filling system. This enables users to take hits in a more portable manner from surgical-grade silicone balloon bags. Each bag lasts between 50 and 100 uses. One bowl of dry herb will fill around 3 to 4 balloon bags. The Volcano Classic now ships with the new Easy Valve system which combines the best of the older Solid Valve and Easy Valve systems. These valve systems allow for easy filling in an efficient manner.

Engineered under the highest manufacturing standards, the German-made Volcano Classic by Storz & Bickel has remained one of the best desktop vaporizers since its introduction to the American market in 2003. Equipped with advanced features such as precision temperature control, convection heating, and an easy-to-use balloon bag system, the Volcano vaporizer offers elite level vapor quality, convenience, and reliability.

Boasting a powerful convection heating system, the Volcano delivers extremely pure vapor. In fact, 95% of its output consists of the compounds found in dry herb. The fidelity of its vapor makes the Volcano a popular tabletop device for medicinal and recreational users alike.

The Volcano Classic comes with a hefty sticker price, but with good reason. Although It's been 20 years since this legendary desktop vaporizer came out, the Volcano's vapor quality and reliability are unmatched. Every unit's crafted from top-quality materials, so it's built to stand the daily demands of a connoisseur. Also, the Classic is the only desktop vaporizer certified by ISO quality manufacturing standards, meets NRTL and UL medical requirements.

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Horizon Sakers tank

Does anyone have any experience with the Sakers tank? I am in need of a new tank, Im on my second Geekvape Alpha tank and I love them but the spring latch to refill has worn out on both of them after about a year or so of use.

Anyway, Ive been watching a ton of youtube vids that are claiming the Sakers tank is the best tasting tank out there right now. I also like how the top fill screws on/off for longevity. Good or bad Id like to hear your experience with them.

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Same Ejuice, different taste ?

Hi, I have been vaping with a twisted messes rda when at home and a Zeus RDTA when at work. I have noticed that dripping with the rda is a lot nicer vape than filling the tank on the zeus with the same ejuice ( bad delights graham cracker).

I seem to get a much crisper vape with the rda whilst the tank is quite sickly in comparison almost like it tastes way too rich. I am using the exact same dual coil set up at 0.17 on both with the same cotton.

I have also tried many different wattage settings on the tank without any luck.

Has anyone had a similar experience with this as I am struggling to find a solution.

Any help is much appreciated .

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WHO has "lost its way" by aiming for a "nicotine-free world" as smokers die

Ex-WHO Director Slams Its Tobacco Harm Reduction Denial
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"The World Health Organization’s reputation took another big hit at a conference in London earlier this month that discussed global vaping policy. The E-cigarette Summit featured a keynote address by Professor Robert Beaglehole. As well as being emeritus professor of public health at the University of Auckland, he was formerly director of the Department of Chronic Diseases and Health Promotion at the WHO.

Deeply critical of the WHO’s opposition to tobacco harm reduction, his speech was all the more pointed considering his WHO past.

He argued that saving millions of smokers’ lives through a “smoke-free world” depends on the availability of safer alternatives to smoking, such as vapes—not on aiming for a nicotine-free world, as the WHO would like.

In his keynote, Beaglehole took aim at the WHO’s Framework Convention on Tobacco Control (FCTC) treaty, highlighting that its failure to achieve success is because of its unrealistic drive for nicotine abstinence and a stubborn resistance to embracing less harmful products. He also criticized the FCTC’s obsession with youth vaping, which has been to the detriment of making alternatives available for adults who smoke.

Beaglehole recommended an independent inquiry into the WHO’s leadership.

Accusing the WHO of having “lost its way,” Beaglehole condemned the secrecy of its biennial FCTC Conference of the Parties (COP) meetings. He also castigated the WHO for its reliance on funding from Bloomberg Philanthropies, which he sees as driving the WHO in the wrong direction due to Michael Bloomberg’s personal prohibitionist ideology towards vaping and nicotine use. Bloomberg’s donations—thought to total around $1 billion to-date—have accompanied the WHO’s adherence to an initiative called MPOWER, which entirely excludes tobacco harm reduction as an option.

Beaglehole noted that wherever MPOWER has been implemented, smoking rates have either risen or declined very slowly, whilst in countries which have embraced harm reduction, smoking prevalence has declined, often quite dramatically. He also criticized the WHO’s policy of giving awards to countries (such as India) which ban safer nicotine products, despite such prohibition leading to smoking rates increasing.

The WHO, Beaglehole summarized, presides over 8 million smoking-related deaths per year, while failing to explore all options for reducing the toll.........."

Ex-WHO Director Slams Its Tobacco Harm Reduction Denial


The facts speak for themselves. The WHO {World Health Organization} helped along with funding from so called 'Philanthropies' such as Bloomberg Philanthropies funded by infamous billionaires, such as Bloomberg, funding a genocidal agenda for nicotine users.

So I ask when is a 'philanthropy' such as Bloomberg Philanthropies not really a philanthropy at all? - but rather a neo fascist agenda driven program of control similar to the National Socialists of Germany pre WWII ???

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