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No problem guys, it took me a little while to get myself level headed enough to write that post. I didn't want to bring more drama, just felt that things needed to be said.
I appreciate you guys and what you do, I have learned a lot, and have progressed considerably thanks to the information contained in this thread as well as the Coil Porn thread. I may not be able to contribute the prettiest looking coils, but at least I could provide some words. The building community is one of the best I have ever been involved in, and the spirit of sharing, and learning from one another is something that I truly appreciate and enjoy.
I appreciate you guys and what you do, I have learned a lot, and have progressed considerably thanks to the information contained in this thread as well as the Coil Porn thread. I may not be able to contribute the prettiest looking coils, but at least I could provide some words. The building community is one of the best I have ever been involved in, and the spirit of sharing, and learning from one another is something that I truly appreciate and enjoy.
Words are better than pictures when they're true. It's a real shame he left so he couldn't actually read any of it though.
I mean he's probably just going to go on VU and start up there. I don't think they'll stand for his attitude though as a lot of members here have accounts there.
pwn3d.
At least on instagram it's only pictures...
And on that note
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So Temco shipped my wire days ago and I didn't get the tracking email till a few hours before it was delivered.
N80 is supposed to be a lottle softer than A1 right? Well the 22awg n80 from Temco is much thicker and stronger than the 22awg A1 from kbees.
Also my claptons are much easier now.
I started holding the spool horizontally as opposed to vertically.
I'm going to try the 34 or 36 tonight.
N80 is supposed to be a lottle softer than A1 right? Well the 22awg n80 from Temco is much thicker and stronger than the 22awg A1 from kbees.
Also my claptons are much easier now.
I started holding the spool horizontally as opposed to vertically.
I'm going to try the 34 or 36 tonight.
Try this: install the coils using the N80 from temco and scrub the deck down with some dish soap mixed with water and a toothbrush.
I usually start out with hot water then I'll scrub and rinse, then warm water, cool water, then only cold water. Scrubbing down the coils and rinsing them each time I change water temp.
After that, dry off the 510 connection & throw it on your mod and pulse fire them to get colors.
If you get the normal kanthal blues, then they messed up the labeling on the spool, but if you get a wide array of colors starting with gold, to magenta/purple, to deep blue, it's N80.
I personally would use a reg'd mod at a lower wattage (dependent on ohms) and just the 22g wire to be able to see the coloring process.
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First off, Retro & Uncle tattoo; it's great to have you guys back here posting some builds! Good looks on them 4 core aliens.
Let's get something settled. There are only 4 kinds of alien wraps. The number of cores or kind of cores doesn't matter.
1 - standard single wire alien wrap
2 - stitched alien wrap
3 - interlocking alien wrap
4 - stitched & interlocking alien wrap.
Any other term used in aliens is to simplify the coil as a whole.
E.g., fralien - framed staple alien.
Nobody here has invented anything new, including myself.
Whiteowl - temco wire is fine. It's what I started out building on. I still use some temco 24g. LV spools aren't much better. I've had multiple problems with their 1000' spools of 40gN80 bunching up on me around 500' in. Kaybee wire is cheap yeah, but I've heard awful things about it. If you message me I'll share my cheap wire source with you but I'm not posting it here. I've never had a problem with any of their spools and they're very cheap.
I work off the spool for claps/fuses/anything but tsuka's and aliens pretty much.
If you want some tips with that, shoot me a message. Don't follow an inflated ego on advise because that advise is warped by the need to please themselves by appearing to help others (while literally shooting down everyone around them).
And Slip - send me those messages haha. I need some hilarity in my life right now
Retro - Mod check:
Calling out Whiteowl, Slip, & Uncletattoo for a mod check
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Are they all yours? I watched a YT Vid and really like them, had a look at getting one but they're a bit pricey for me and i'm not keen on the old style with the spring's on the sliding door, they're totally different animals.I love dual parallels mech's, i have a copper Raptor T6 and a copper Cherry bomber, they are heavy as hell compared to anything else, the RapT6 i would recommend to anyone, it's the safest of the two and you can fit any size atty on top, the CB only houses 22mm, both mech's have had the button spring's upgraded with RG6 which you get easy enough and make yourself, i found some spare hanging about the house from the cable tv, heres a thread on the subject MCV Raptor T6 - the new mech box from the guys who did the Cherry Bomber!
I also upgraded the battery shims in the CB, although i love them as much as one another i wouldn't recommend the CB to anyone as it has a flaw on the contact where by if you go to unscrew your atty from the mod without taking the batteries out you can bridge the contact and it won't stop firing until you either pull the batteries out or unscrew the atty.
I also find 0.3 ribbon hard work, i'm another with hands like shovels and on top of this i don't have that extra bend in my thumb that most people have that i think may help a little.
I've only ever bought one spool of 0.3 ribbon and it comes off my spool slightly curved which i know isn't going to help, i think if you stretch it it may straighten it out a bit but i'm guessing some of us are having issues because of the quality. What you can do is bend each length of ribbon at the center and then stack them together, rather then trying to bend the whole lot together in one go, then once youv'e stacked them altogether you can put them in your swivel clip and bind them etc.
Thankyou for the words McAnythingReally i really appreciate it
Tom, I have a problem with you. Your hands are too nimble and your coils are too pretty
Sorry, couldn't resist. Thanks to everyone for getting this thread back on track!! Let's see those working builds!! Here's a series build (built on the Rafale X that has a neutral center T-post) that came after alotta frustration from previous failed attempts at caterpillar tracks and then razorbacks... Slip, still trying to get the technique down for the RB but I should have a usable version soon, thanks to you!! All Kanthal a1 - 5x30/30 clapton fused with 24 g using .4mmx.1mm ribbon, 3mm ID @ .8ohm! As you can imagine the ramp time is long, but once up to temp it is a very nice vape
I didn't need the soap for all that.
I've never done a nicrome core and wrap so there were some things I didn't expect.
The 32 awg wrap is a low enough gauge to want to conduct electricity through the core and wrap and any where they touched so I had crazy hot spots and ohm loads.
Half of the coil wouldn't glow and it turned gold, the other half turned purple and blue untill it finally sorted out and settled on a metalic blue.
I can tell by the final load, color and ramp up that it is n80...or atleast nichrome.
I think the 22 awg from kbees is actually 23 and so on just because the same size wire from temco is thicker. Much nicer.
I'm just talking about the coloring process in general.I didn't need the soap for all that.
I've never done a nicrome core and wrap so there were some things I didn't expect.
The 32 awg wrap is a low enough gauge to want to conduct electricity through the core and wrap and any where they touched so I had crazy hot spots and ohm loads.
Half of the coil wouldn't glow and it turned gold, the other half turned purple and blue untill it finally sorted out and settled on a metalic blue.
I can tell by the final load, color and ramp up that it is n80...or atleast nichrome.
I think the 22 awg from kbees is actually 23 and so on just because the same size wire from temco is thicker. Much nicer.
Old build but all N80
Triple 40g interlock over I forget how many ribbon cores and 28g frames. That's how cleaned N80 looks when you install and scrub down the coils before wicking them and dripping them.
Another old build but illustrates the same thing: everything goes gold when the first touches of color are coming in:
Both are unedited other than the crops.
I am a clean freak when it comes to my deck & coils after a build. I don't want to be vaping the oils off my fingers and or skin particles, etc. So I scrub them down with an old electric toothbrush up to 40g. Over 40g I use the same soap/water mix & a softer brush to not break the really thin wires.
Tom, I have a problem with you. Your hands are too nimble and your coils are too pretty
All Kanthal a1 - 5x30/30 clapton fused with 24 g using .4mmx.1mm ribbon, 3mm ID @ .8ohm! As you can imagine the ramp time is long, but once up to temp it is a very nice vape
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Thanks for sharing your problem. I'll try to tone it down a bit haha
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Good tips Tom, great builds everyone, i need to change my wick soon so i'm going to build something in the next couple of days
Here ya go Tom:
Prefire:
Postfire:
When I fired this thing I forgot to turn down the mod so it took 120w and I didn't get a chance to captere the gold but it did happen on the outer wraps...I think it was just too hot too fast. But I did clean it first.
Prefire:
Postfire:
When I fired this thing I forgot to turn down the mod so it took 120w and I didn't get a chance to captere the gold but it did happen on the outer wraps...I think it was just too hot too fast. But I did clean it first.
Current situation mod check. Efusion dna200 with ol faithful Aeolus lite and wismec noisy cricket with tsunami. I don't ball as hard as you @Tom FordeFirst off, Retro & Uncle tattoo; it's great to have you guys back here posting some builds! Good looks on them 4 core aliens.
Let's get something settled. There are only 4 kinds of alien wraps. The number of cores or kind of cores doesn't matter.
1 - standard single wire alien wrap
2 - stitched alien wrap
3 - interlocking alien wrap
4 - stitched & interlocking alien wrap.
Any other term used in aliens is to simplify the coil as a whole.
E.g., fralien - framed staple alien.
Nobody here has invented anything new, including myself.
Whiteowl - temco wire is fine. It's what I started out building on. I still use some temco 24g. LV spools aren't much better. I've had multiple problems with their 1000' spools of 40gN80 bunching up on me around 500' in. Kaybee wire is cheap yeah, but I've heard awful things about it. If you message me I'll share my cheap wire source with you but I'm not posting it here. I've never had a problem with any of their spools and they're very cheap.
I work off the spool for claps/fuses/anything but tsuka's and aliens pretty much.
If you want some tips with that, shoot me a message. Don't follow an inflated ego on advise because that advise is warped by the need to please themselves by appearing to help others (while literally shooting down everyone around them).
And Slip - send me those messages haha. I need some hilarity in my life right now
Retro - Mod check:
Calling out Whiteowl, Slip, & Uncletattoo for a mod check
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So I ordered 3 100' spools of 36 n80 and scored big time! They gave me 3 spools of 250' instead so that's what I'm using.
Fused 24 A1 with an 36 n80 wrap.
Cleaned:
Gold:
Blue:
Done:
I'm trying to do a 3 core clapton with no luck.
Fused 24 A1 with an 36 n80 wrap.
Cleaned:
Gold:
Blue:
Done:
I'm trying to do a 3 core clapton with no luck.
3 core, all cores parallel like an alien? Most important part of that is equal tension across the 3 cores. I forget who but one of the 3 core alien videos online, it might be the one with m.terk, I'm not sure though, illustrates how to get even tension across 3 cores.So I ordered 3 100' spools of 36 n80 and scored big time! They gave me 3 spools of 250' instead so that's what I'm using.
Fused 24 A1 with an 36 n80 wrap.
Cleaned:
Gold:
Blue:
Done:
I'm trying to do a 3 core clapton with no luck.
What I do basically is straighten and cut 3 even pieces of wire, hold them directly parallel to each other and put a little bit of tape about 1/4" away from the end to secure them together.
I'll use nylon jawed pliers and clamp down on the tape to make sure there's no wiggle room. I'll edit this & post up some pics on how I set up any kind of 3 core build in a little bit cause a words only tutorial can get kind of confusing.
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I hold my hand's up to running back downstairs to grab my vape if i've gone in and forgotten it before sitting to poop, dam i'll even sit to pee if it means i can vape
Before Tom does his tutorial I just want to show what to do with your wire ends before wrapping into coil form, this can be overlooked and end in you pulling off all your lovely alien wraps etc that you've worked so hard to achieve..
I start by stripping part of the wire end so I have enough to grab with pliers ..
At this stage cut the wire so you have just a little bit to bend over onto the wrapped part of wire, just enough that you can bend it with the tip of your pliers but not to small or else you will struggle to flatten it neatly
bend it over as far as it will go using your pliers then use this part below to squeeze it shut, if you use the flat of the pliers it won't always sit over neatly on top of itself, this way I found works 99% of the time
on a length of alien wire you can do this on one end then grab the other end that hasn't been bent and flattened with your pliers and using your fingers to squeeze the wraps up to the end giving you nice even wraps along the length, then bend and flatten the second end. Now you know that your wraps aren't going to move or slide off when you wrap into your coil.
I start by stripping part of the wire end so I have enough to grab with pliers ..
At this stage cut the wire so you have just a little bit to bend over onto the wrapped part of wire, just enough that you can bend it with the tip of your pliers but not to small or else you will struggle to flatten it neatly
bend it over as far as it will go using your pliers then use this part below to squeeze it shut, if you use the flat of the pliers it won't always sit over neatly on top of itself, this way I found works 99% of the time
on a length of alien wire you can do this on one end then grab the other end that hasn't been bent and flattened with your pliers and using your fingers to squeeze the wraps up to the end giving you nice even wraps along the length, then bend and flatten the second end. Now you know that your wraps aren't going to move or slide off when you wrap into your coil.
Can you tell me what gauge of ribbon wire you are using there for the middle of the core please?
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