#500 SS Mesh

[mwa102464]

your Ego twist has I believe a 2.5Amp limit, so you wont get the max vape on a Genesis set up with a Twist, even if you crank it up it will only put out a 2.5Amp max I believe, You Need either a mechanical mod with an 18650 IMR, a VV or VW mod with a 3.5-4 Amp limit to get a decent vape. Also .6ohms is to low,, get er up to 1.3-1.5ohms, just my opinion, your lucky you didn't fry your twist at .6ohms as well, I wouldn't keep using that set up.

 

[mwa102464]

I found in the end my 0.6 Ohm coil although great, was gobbling up my 18350s in no time so I have moved down to 30g Kanthal on my latest setup on DID No.2 of 3, my last setup was:
0.6 Ohm
#500 wick 37 x 105mm.
Solidish wick rolled to 3.3-3.4mm
2/3 wraps 28awg Kanthal, 34mm length of wire,2mm pitch of coil,
0.6 Ohms

This one is # 500 wick 37 x 65mm.
Solidish wick rolled to 2.5-2.6mm
2/3 wraps 30awg Kanthal, less wire ?, 1.2mm pitch of coil
0.9 Ohms

Seems to give the same flavor vapor and with lower Ohms my batteries are lasting longer, as you can see I have concentrated the coils lower down the wick and closer together, and as a result the airhole hits the action a lot more than a more spaced out coil. The hit is even more instant than the 28g 0.6 Ohm coil, havnt had any shorts or dry hits yet, and I do vape a fair bit LOL.

Been finding the same with less wraps Studio, was running 10 coils but was to much so dropped down to 6-7 spread out a bit more and getting good flavor with massive vapor,,, dont you find .6ohms a bit to low though ? like burning your juice ? But then again I used to run a 2-3 wrap with 32Awg way back when and swore by it ! seems for me 1.1-1.3 ohms is always my sweet spot on all my Genies for best flavor vapor combo, just me I guess, I'll have to try that set up thanks for posting it.

 

[studiovap]

Hello Gents ,

not sure if my question is off topic however I like to post here because my this is the thread which combines all the experienced vapor out there , I recently setup my steam machine (genesis upgrade) with 400 mesh , twisted coil reading 0.6 ohm no hot spots however the vapor production , throat hit is almost the same as I use the same juice in a clearomizer the vapor is very cold and not satisfying at all I wonder if this is normal , or it has to do with the battery cuz I am using an ego twist not sure if it does have amp limit or something of this sort

MWA, is spot on, I just set my Mini DID up with a 1.3Ohm 32g Kanthal 2/3 coil 2.2mm diameter #500 37x40mm rolled semi solid to run on my egos, this as low as I would want to go, but it works great on a standard egoT upgrade So far I know even at 1.3Ohms I'm pushing my luck) haven't tried it on my twist yet, but I expect similar results. I get more or lest instant response good flavor and vapor

 

[studiovap]

Been finding the same with less wraps Studio, was running 10 coils but was to much so dropped down to 6-7 spread out a bit more and getting good flavor with massive vapor,,, dont you find .6ohms a bit to low though ? like burning your juice ? But then again I used to run a 2-3 wrap with 32Awg way back when and swore by it !

Funnily enough the 0.6 Ohm coil didnt burn the juice as long as the coil was nice and tight, but I stepped down to the 0.9Ohm and 30g to save battery life and get a little quicker response, I also reduced the diameter of the wick a little to reduce the heat-sink effect, I'm on an efficiency/instant huge vapor mission now LOL, as I find taste is always pretty similar from setup to set up as long as my coils are hugging my wick to perfection

 

[mwa102464]

Yup makes sense I like the 30Awg at .9 also,,, but that dam Batt life at anything under 1 ohm goes fast, but who cares my 5gal drywall bucket is full of AW & Panny Batts

 

[Ragaey]

Couple of question guys does low resistance coils drain your batteries dramatically faster
Does li-ion batteries has safe amp use cause I am not sure at 0.6 ohm you are are almost shorting your batteries
I am a mechanical engineer and I used to hate circuitry now I will have study again

 

[studiovap]

Couple of question guys does low resistance coils drain your batteries dramatically faster
Does li-ion batteries has safe amp use cause I am not sure at 0.6 ohm you are are almost shorting your batteries
I am a mechanical engineer and I used to hate circuitry now I will have study again

We use Aw IMRs & the new grey Panasonic cells http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2x-Panas...ronics_Batteries_Chargers&hash=item4162d5b76d can handle very high current, the info on this link says AW state 24AMPs, 0.6Ohms on a fresh battery is 4.2V 29.4watts and still only 7Amps, as the voltage drops which it will quickly from 4.2 down to say 3.9 you are at 6.5A and then the more gradual discharge down to around 3.5 when most will change their cells you are at 5.6A, all well within the safe range of modern High Drain Lithium Manganese batteries
http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/AW IMR 18650 1600mAh (Red) UK.html

 

[Big Screen D]

I found in the end my 0.6 Ohm coil although great, was gobbling up my 18350s in no time so I have moved down to 30g Kanthal on my latest setup on DID No.2 of 3, my last setup was:
0.6 Ohm
#500 wick 37 x 105mm.
Solidish wick rolled to 3.3-3.4mm
2/3 wraps 28awg Kanthal, 34mm length of wire,2mm pitch of coil,
0.6 Ohms

This one is # 500 wick 37 x 65mm.
Solidish wick rolled to 2.5-2.6mm
2/3 wraps 30awg Kanthal, less wire ?, 1.2mm pitch of coil
0.9 Ohms

Seems to give the same flavor vapor and with lower Ohms my batteries are lasting longer, as you can see I have concentrated the coils lower down the wick and closer together, and as a result the airhole hits the action a lot more than a more spaced out coil. The hit is even more instant than the 28g 0.6 Ohm coil, havnt had any shorts or dry hits yet, and I do vape a fair bit LOL.

Next build, try a even smaller 45mm diameter wick and a 3/4 wrap, or maybe even 4/5 and see how you like it. The spacing on my 32ga 5/6 wrap is about the width of the wire. So I'm concentrating the heat in as small an area as possible while also maintaining plenty of surface area.

Edit: After again reading post 1712, I read where you tried 5/6 wraps on skinny wicks with your ADV gunk em up juice. I ran into the same issue with my ADV, Boba's Bounty. But in my case, that was with the coils spread out along the length of the wick and what would happen is as the wick gunked up, I'd start getting dry hits from the top end of the coil. I still get gunked up coils, but no dry hits with the concentrated coil spacing. Every 6-7 tanks or so, I give it an ultrasonic cleaning, and it's as good as new. I find it easier to clean than re coil.

 

[Big Screen D]

Please delete. Still asleep.

 

[DigiManTX]

holy crapazoid... 3 days and 173 pages later, i've finally finished... here is what i'm gathering from this thread... 500 wicks better, more wraps equate to more vapor production, pay attention to amp draw, learn how to oxidize a wick... here is my setup:

i am using a kicked SB (18490), also have another SB (no kick) with 18650's...
i am about to purchase an AGA-T
i also see a zmax v2 in my future (the one with the 8th menu to make it appear more accurate)
currently using tank cartos, atty's for dripping, and a couple vivi nova's...

i would like to get into the coil/mesh realm as i think that will appeal to my wanting more flavor and vapor. i don't really care about TH as most of what i vape is 0-6 nic... more on the 0 side... i just like to vape!


i would like to experiment (get my foot in the door) on 400 for a bit before dropping cash on 500 and taking the chance at ruining an entire sheet before i get it right. i currently vape at about 8 watts (according to the kick) on the setups mentioned above.

here are my questions:

1. seeing as i've seen it mentioned several times about amp draw, using the kick and SB, what should i consider safe? i currently have a small sheet of 400 and about 3ft of 32 awg a-1 kanthal. is there a wrap count that i need to stay within as far as amp draw goes? still not quite sure how that all works together. as soon as i think i understand, 10 posts later, i see someone else disagree and prove otherwise. so i'm still lost on how amp draw comes into play.

2. making wicks... i see tighter the better... i also see most videos on utube are apparently wrong in this aspect of getting the thing to glow red, quench, rinse lather repeat. so the way i understand it to be is heat it up several different times and watch it change colors from grey to blue to brown and then consider it oxidized (no need to quench)... add some juice, gunk it up a bit and bob's your uncle... is this a correct assumption?

3. vivi nova's... instead of making a U wick, has anyone made an "r" wick? instead of it coming down on both sides, maybe just one side?

 

[junkman]

holy crapazoid... 3 days and 173 pages later, i've finally finished... here is what i'm gathering from this thread... 500 wicks better, more wraps equate to more vapor production, pay attention to amp draw, learn how to oxidize a wick... here is my setup:

i am using a kicked SB (18490), also have another SB (no kick) with 18650's...
i am about to purchase an AGA-T
i also see a zmax v2 in my future (the one with the 8th menu to make it appear more accurate)
currently using tank cartos, atty's for dripping, and a couple vivi nova's...

i would like to get into the coil/mesh realm as i think that will appeal to my wanting more flavor and vapor. i don't really care about TH as most of what i vape is 0-6 nic... more on the 0 side... i just like to vape!


i would like to experiment (get my foot in the door) on 400 for a bit before dropping cash on 500 and taking the chance at ruining an entire sheet before i get it right. i currently vape at about 8 watts (according to the kick) on the setups mentioned above.

here are my questions:

1. seeing as i've seen it mentioned several times about amp draw, using the kick and SB, what should i consider safe? i currently have a small sheet of 400 and about 3ft of 32 awg a-1 kanthal. is there a wrap count that i need to stay within as far as amp draw goes? still not quite sure how that all works together. as soon as i think i understand, 10 posts later, i see someone else disagree and prove otherwise. so i'm still lost on how amp draw comes into play.

2. making wicks... i see tighter the better... i also see most videos on utube are apparently wrong in this aspect of getting the thing to glow red, quench, rinse lather repeat. so the way i understand it to be is heat it up several different times and watch it change colors from grey to blue to brown and then consider it oxidized (no need to quench)... add some juice, gunk it up a bit and bob's your uncle... is this a correct assumption?

3. vivi nova's... instead of making a U wick, has anyone made an "r" wick? instead of it coming down on both sides, maybe just one side?

Regarding amps -- see Ohm's Law Calculator This will give you the amps for whatever volt and ohm levels you are at. It will also show you the watts.

In general, as volts increase, amps increase (all else equal) and as resistance (ohms) decrease, amps increase (all else equal). Amps is the flow of electrons.

 

[DigiManTX]

Regarding amps -- see Ohm's Law Calculator This will give you the amps for whatever volt and ohm levels you are at. It will also show you the watts.

In general, as volts increase, amps increase (all else equal) and as resistance (ohms) decrease, amps increase (all else equal). Amps is the flow of electrons.

yes, but i could swear there was something in this thread about the same resistance and voltage being used but with different sized wire creating more of an "amp draw" and that was a bad thing... i'll have to go back and find it... plus with the kick i have a 10 watt max... so i guess i'm looking for the best wrap to get max flavor and vapor...

 

[CountSmackula]

1) You'll have back calculate from your amp limitation & desired watts to come up with an 'appropriate' ohm coil for your device.

2) Wicks: The "perfect" method of preparation is like elbows & a--holes - everybody has an opinion (or 2 - depending on the device) I torch the unrolled sheet lightly & then roll. I use a folded outer edge to eliminate possibility of shorts from frayed edges wires. Once rolled, I thoroughly torch again but don't quench. I do do juice burn x3 to build up a carbon layer (but only on the top half of the wick).
.....What works on my Chid, works on my Chobra, but not so much on my AGA-T or AGA. Fat wick 'seems' to be the popular trend, but the fatter the wick, the more it acts like a heat sink - requiring more 'oomph' to get it up to vaping speed. IMO, anyway.

2a) Coils: Lots of people can wrap coils 'on-the-fly', but I get better results by wrapping around a stiff rod (drill bit/mini Phillips screwdriver/toothpick/whatever). I think this is called the 'Peter K' method. I've started using a feeler gauge to get even distance between wraps on 6/7, or larger, coils. Seems to work better for me.

3) I asked that same question, but never ran across anyone who admitted to trying it. So... dunno.

HTH!

 

[ocean99]

what is an ideal fluid for 500 mesh?

 

[DigiManTX]

what is an ideal fluid for 500 mesh?

LOL... somebody didn't read this entire thread... any fluid ratio... that's what makes 500 so good...

 

[Jimi D.]

I'm baffled today. I could not get my mesh to oxidize properly today. I've must have tried every method. It took me 7 hours to get my damned DID working.

 

[DigiManTX]

3) I asked that same question, but never ran across anyone who admitted to trying it. So... dunno.

HTH!

heh... so uhhh... i did it... LOL... my very 1st coil/mesh attempt... i built an "r" wick in the vivi nova... 35mm long x 30mm wide 400 mesh... 6/5 wrap on 32awg gave me 2.7ohms...oxidized the wick by candle light (i was feelin romantical??? idk...) but i got ahead of myself and forgot to burn any juice on there before wrapping the coil... but i tested the ohms on the wick itself all over before putting the coil on... all places i touched showed default 1... test fired on a twist on 3.3v (hehe... figured if i kill a $25 twist i won't be too upset)... had a couple hot spots, took a toothpick, moved some coils around till they all glowed red, and dropped some juice... no popping, but got a nice sizzle... in the tank it went, filled it with juice... WIN! i can't chain vape, but a nice vapor, and flavor with my kick set at 8 watts... tried bumping up to 9 and immediately got burnt taste... however i am getting vapor in the tank... don't know what's goin on there...

so all in all... i feel like that was a little too easy... noob luck or did i do something wrong? i was half expecting to set the house on fire... or at least the dog...

 

[Currynoah]

I'm baffled today. I could not get my mesh to oxidize properly today. I've must have tried every method. It took me 7 hours to get my damned DID working.

I'm more baffled why you ain't sleepin' after 7 hours of fiddling!!

 

[Currynoah]

heh... so uhhh... i did it... LOL... my very 1st coil/mesh attempt... i built an "r" wick in the vivi nova... 35mm long x 30mm wide 400 mesh... 6/5 wrap on 32awg gave me 2.7ohms...oxidized the wick by candle light (i was feelin romantical??? idk...) but i got ahead of myself and forgot to burn any juice on there before wrapping the coil... but i tested the ohms on the wick itself all over before putting the coil on... all places i touched showed default 1... test fired on a twist on 3.3v (hehe... figured if i kill a $25 twist i won't be too upset)... had a couple hot spots, took a toothpick, moved some coils around till they all glowed red, and dropped some juice... no popping, but got a nice sizzle... in the tank it went, filled it with juice... WIN! i can't chain vape, but a nice vapor, and flavor with my kick set at 8 watts... tried bumping up to 9 and immediately got burnt taste... however i am getting vapor in the tank... don't know what's goin on there...

so all in all... i feel like that was a little too easy... noob luck or did i do something wrong? i was half expecting to set the house on fire... or at least the dog...

I made this observation when I was building my coil. I built a 7/7 coil with 29awg, test fire and everything seemed alright. That's when I saw vapor in the tank. I remember reading somewhere that if you have vapor in the tank, most likely you have a minute short somewhere.

Lo and behold!! A tiny top coil short was what happened to mine. Adjusted with fingernails and on my way to vape heaven...

 

[Jimi D.]

I'm more baffled why you ain't sleepin' after 7 hours of fiddling!!

This week,I'm going to make a silica wick for my DID.