6v is not the answer HIGH DRAIN CELLS is the answer!!

[DaMulta]

I would just make sure it's kicking the charger off at 4.2v like it says at lighthound. Just keep checking the voltage(with a meter) the first few rounds when charging the battery.

Glad that video helped show what that battery can do.

 

[Martin2277]

Just ordered mine. I was trying to order the charger with it so I waited a few days saw it was in stock so placed my order. Looks perfect for the DBSB! Have not touched 6v this week after receiving mine.

 

[asidrave]

these batteries are also high discharge

18650

DealExtreme: $7.97 TrustFire Protected 18650 Lithium Battery (2400mAh 2-Pack Gray)

14500

DealExtreme: $4.73 TrustFire Protected 14500 3.7V 900mAh Lithium Batteries (2-Pack Blue)

i have these 18650's also and they do produce a bit more vapor than these

DealExtreme: $14.40 UltraFire Protected 18650 3.7V 3000mAh Lithium Batteries (2-Pack)

i have both types of 18650's and i can tell the difference

im gonna order the 14500's from the second link and hopefully they also work better

 

[KingVapor]

Sorry, but these are not high discharge batteries.

 

[Quick1]

I think those batteries are maybe 2C?

The discharge rate is the (max) current the batteries are designed to handle. 1C is the current that will drain the battery in 1 hour. For example if you have a 900mAh battery it will go from charged to drained in 1 hour supplying a current of 900mA. If it is rated at 2C it can (should be able to) supply a current of 1800mA for 1/2 hour without damage or blowing up.

The red batteries are high discharge batteries and rated at 10C. You should be able to drain one of those at 10 x the listed mAh in 6 minutes! without damage or explosion.

I think... at least that's my understanding.

 

[DaMulta]

these batteries are also high discharge

18650

DealExtreme: $7.97 TrustFire Protected 18650 Lithium Battery (2400mAh 2-Pack Gray)

14500

DealExtreme: $4.73 TrustFire Protected 14500 3.7V 900mAh Lithium Batteries (2-Pack Blue)

i have these 18650's also and they do produce a bit more vapor than these

DealExtreme: $14.40 UltraFire Protected 18650 3.7V 3000mAh Lithium Batteries (2-Pack)

i have both types of 18650's and i can tell the difference

im gonna order the 14500's from the second link and hopefully they also work better

No, those are not high discharge rate batteries. I sent out a message with a company to see if they will give the C rating for the batteries.

 

[KingVapor]

They are 1.5C most likely.

http://www.e-lectronics.net/lithium-18650-18670-trustfire-protected-battery-p-444.html

 

[Quick1]

What I'm having difficulty with is this. It's my understanding that a device will draw whatever current it operates at, or is able to draw if the supply is limited to less than that.

With a protected battery the pcb (should) disconnect the battery if the device trys to draw a current more than the limit. With unprotected batteries the discharge rate is not limited and the device will draw whatever current it operates at (determined by voltage and resistance).

So... as long as the battery doesn't explode, I would not expect a difference in performance between unprotected batteries. High discharge or not. With protected batteries the difference would be binary. Either they work and perform equally or the pcb disconnects.

 

[asidrave]

maybe my mind is playing tricks on me

 

[DaMulta]

I think you can still strain the battery making the voltage drop without tripping the PCB safely. There is a limit on how hard you can stress them in the end tho.

I video that showed what they were doing under-load with a meter would be better than comparing vapor. I don't know where my atty load tester I made is. Other wise I would go test that right now.

 

[KingVapor]

The C rating is used to find out the max discharge rating in Amps. Where C = Cell rating and rated number = multiplyer

LiMN 1600mah at 10C
C = mAh
10 = multiplier
Discharge rating = 16000 mAh or 16A

Ultrafire 2400mAh at 1.5
Discharge rating = 3600mAh or 3.6A

We need a genius to come explain this to us it's all confusing

 

[redrhino]

Great Video......

 

[boomboom]

Out of stock again at lighthound......................

 

[harpo]

Out of stock again at lighthound......................

I ordered the last two. Lucky me. If you do a search there is one other place selling them for the same price.

 

[DaMulta]

Out of stock again at lighthound......................

Availability: In Stock

AW IMR18650 1600mAh LiMN rechargeable lithium battery

I guess they found some more of them

Bump the video to the back one more time. Wish I could edit into the first post......
YouTube - Comparing the LiMN battery against other batteries With the DBSB/SB

 

[Elf]

Very interesting video, thank you for posting. I can tell you from experience in other applications that high-drain batteries can indeed make a world of difference.

I do want to point out though for clarification that I believe the reference in the video to LiPo technology is incorrect. The standard 18650 batteries are Li-Ion batteries (short for lithium-ion), whereas LiPo batteries (short for Lithium-Polymer) are a different technology. I do not know of any LiPo batteries that look like regular cells such as this.

LiPo batteries are used in specialty applications such as RC hobbies, as well as (for instance) the new Apple laptops (internal non-user-replaceable battery models). LiPo batteries typically sport a much higher discharge rate than Li-Ion (I have some that are rated for a whopping 30C *continuous* drain), and are shapable in production. They are also much more volatile than even the Li-Ion batteries, so its a good thing we dont use them for PV devices.

The results of using high-discharge rate batteries, as pointed out in the video, look very impressive. Since I have really been enjoying the dual 3v cells, I think I might have to try the high discharge cells myself.

 

[USinchains]

I think he might have been referring to LiFePO4 batteries and pronouncing the acronym as LiPo or lifepo. True, the gray Trustfire 18650 is Li-ion.

Very interesting video, thank you for posting. I can tell you from experience in other applications that high-drain batteries can indeed make a world of difference.
I do want to point out though for clarification that I believe the reference in the video to LiPo technology is incorrect. The standard 18650 batteries are Li-Ion batteries (short for lithium-ion), whereas LiPo batteries (short for Lithium-Polymer) are a different technology. I do not know of any LiPo batteries that look like regular cells such as this.

LiPo batteries are used in specialty applications such as RC hobbies, as well as (for instance) the new Apple laptops (internal non-user-replaceable battery models). LiPo batteries typically sport a much higher discharge rate than Li-Ion (I have some that are rated for a whopping 30C *continuous* drain), and are shapable in production. They are also much more volatile than even the Li-Ion batteries, so its a good thing we dont use them for PV devices.

The results of using high-discharge rate batteries, as pointed out in the video, look very impressive. Since I have really been enjoying the dual 3v cells, I think I might have to try the high discharge cells myself.

 

[DaMulta]

No he is right I called the Li-ion battery Li-Po

O well the point got across

I do call the lifep04 a Life-Po without the 4 at times I admit.

 

[mwa102464]

Are these hi drain protected, i want protected man, if they are thats good stuff, if not I wouldnt want to use it and risk certain things with my beautiful face

 

[Elf]

No he is right I called the Li-ion battery Li-Po

O well the point got across

I do call the lifep04 a Life-Po without the 4 at times I admit.

The point got across indeed! My apologies if my comments came across sounding critical. To be clear - you produced a great video and my comment was not meant as criticism of any kind. Being rather familiar with LiPo batteries however, I thought it might be important to clarify the difference for any people who otherwise might unknowingly do something extremely dangerous in the quest for a better battery..(like trying to hook their PV up to a *real* LiPo!)