A pdib mod :>p

[dhomes]

So. I have a couple questions. Before asking them, I want to make clear, as I've edited to state at the start of this thread, that this modification is not one I would recommend as it is unsafe. Really.

I was thinking today, and it crossed my mind that almost all the shorts (if not all) that I've heard of occur either upon building a new coil or attaching an atty to a mod. My question is this . .. .. At what other times do shorts occur? I've thought that if one dropped their device and the coil shifted, it might create a short. Any other times; besides setting up/screwing in an atomizer?

Over time the envelope of the battery may start to wear off, if exposed battery touches conductive material (like a non painted REO or tube mod) you will have a short

Also, if you used magnets on flat tops, they loose their grip over times and can move, if it touches any negatively loaded part of the mod (the reo body) you will have a short when you fire it (learned this one the hard way on my provari, nowadays I just solder on top of the battery)

There are SHORTS and microshorts, the later is was you get when you build those microcoils and fire rapidly a couple of times, those are not that bad (otherwise your hotspring will collapse)

the ones where the short are continuos (like a magnet touching negative & positive) are the ones you must be afraid of

Something about the REO, as soon as you release the button it goes back to the top and cuts the circuit (reverse spring?), only reason I see for a short then would be a teared off battery or a magnet

 

[Geoscouter]

So. I have a couple questions. Before asking them, I want to make clear, as I've edited to state at the start of this thread, that this modification is not one I would recommend as it is unsafe. Really.

I was thinking today, and it crossed my mind that almost all the shorts (if not all) that I've heard of occur either upon building a new coil or attaching an atty to a mod. My question is this . .. .. At what other times do shorts occur? I've thought that if one dropped their device and the coil shifted, it might create a short. Any other times; besides setting up/screwing in an atomizer?

I had a short in the Reomizer version 1 when the internal gasket failed. Wasn't dropped or just screwed on it just failed while I was vaping. Resulted in a collapsed spring. Don't know if this is possible on the Reomizer version 2. They seem a lot more reliable. In fact I haven't heard of a single failure yet.


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[NicoHolic]

I believe I've read of shorts happening at the 510 connector on the mod top either due to age, misuse, or problem rebuilds. I have no experience with this area.

 

[dhomes]

What if the short causes the brass to morph into incredible hulk brass... I bet it would hold the battery.... and turn green

Than you could take a nice photo of your device, use it as your avatar and compete against DarkZero's

 

[pdib]

The plastic coating on the battery, dhomes. How would the body of the battery touching the side of the mod be any different from the regular bottom contact? (Other than the spring not being part of the circuit.) I think the battery jacket thing is really only about bottom switched mods . . . . no?

 

[pdib]

I guess I would categorize hard shorts as: ones where releasing the firing button opens the circuit and stops the short, and . . . . . . ?


I mean, I've shorted (hard) batteries on two or three occasions, all due to bad atties. It kin'a creeped me out; but I just stopped pressing the button. . . . . . ?


The reason I asked the question about when and how shorts happen, is because I could only think of times within the first minute of vaping a new setup/atty. (sorry, edited) Geoscouter, your experience with an internal insulator decaying with time is definitely beyond the category of "first minute".

 

[redeyedancer]

Using adapters is one I have seen many times . Touching the voltage meter prongs while checking the voltage .Stacking magnets like a tower on top of flat top batteries in tumbled mods . I could go on and on you would be surprised what you see when you repair mods . I have had to take atomizer off of mods with channel locks on a few occasions .

These type of threads makes me cringe most people should never modify there mods . I no people that shouldn't be allowed to own tools . All I ask when you guys do make threads like this is please give warnings . I understand why you guys want to mod the mod . I may even offer some of the modifications if they are promising . I have some geek in me obviously or I wouldn't be here .

 

[debzcf]

These moding the mod threads scare the heck out of me. Please be careful, friends.

 

[pdib]

So, Rob, do you find my warnings about the safety spring being "deactivated", questions about such, and conclusion that that was the case to be sufficient? Is there anything else you would have liked to see?

At this point in the thread, my questions to the other REOnauts are focused on learning about how these things happen (shorts), so that we can be smart and prepared.

 

[pdib]

These moding the mod threads scare the heck out of me. Please be careful, friends.

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Oh, and by the way, deb, I happen to be amazingly good at diddling (pro'ly decades of hand sanding w/ my woodworking and playing guitar and bass), just not with the kind of plumbing that includes your kitchen sink.

 

[debzcf]

Oh, and by the way, deb, I happen to be amazingly good at diddling (pro'ly decades of hand sanding w/ my woodworking and playing guitar and bass), just not with the kind of plumbing that includes your kitchen sink.

Duly noted. Actually, I snaked the darn thing -- I fixed it. I'm so damn proud of myself.

 

[pdib]

I have to admit that there was a thought I had developing today, which contributes to my asking about "when shorts" . . . .

I realized that, whenever installing a new coil, atty, or battery on my REO, I can simply flip the brass shim's top fold out of the way and temporarily deactivate it (and fully "reactivate" the spring's function). When I've vaped for a few minutes, and am completely satisfied that everything is as it should be, I can just pull the batt., let the shim drop back onto the spring, reinstall the batt. and . . . . .. . risk my face

 

[pdib]

Duly noted. Actually, I snaked the darn thing -- I fixed it. I'm so damn proud of myself.

GOOD FOR YOU! (careful tho!, never know what you might unearth! . . . .. . unpipe?)

 

[Xobeloot]

I was wondering this myself. I've only had one, and it was a very odd scenario. I had a twisted coil, pulsed, pinched and glowing evenly... no problem. As soon as I added juice to the mix, it dropped the spring

 

[dhomes]

The plastic coating on the battery, dhomes. How would the body of the battery touching the side of the mod be any different from the regular bottom contact? (Other than the spring not being part of the circuit.) I think the battery jacket thing is really only about bottom switched mods . . . . no?

This one is from experience, I had a pretty worn down battery and when reading my volts on a Natural it would still give a ghost voltage when I released the firing button (meaning .3 to .7 volts discharge without pressing button)

Wrapped battery on electrical tape and it went away

 

[pdib]

OOHH, that's creepy. So, it was just gently discharging into the device? (about the same amount of current as the v-drop would be . . . oddly enough)

 

[Xobeloot]

makes me want to pick up some heat shrink and re-seal some of my older batteries for sure.

 

[pdib]

P, i did a couple .4 and .5 coils during my testing / modding, but .7 is my comfort zone

For .3 and not stressing the battery too much you you need a 20 amp battery at least, some mnke

dhomes, tsk, tsk, tsk, don't you know that the AW 1600 is rated at 24 Amps?

 

[dhomes]

dhomes, tsk, tsk, tsk, don't you know that the AW 1600 is rated at 24 Amps?

I thought it was 15 amps

Honestly, never cared much for AWs, so haven't been paying attention

 

[dhomes]

makes me want to pick up some heat shrink and re-seal some of my older batteries for sure.

Anything non conductive will do, even scotch tape, just leave it open top and bottom for venting

Fast tech also has some cheap heat shrink for batteries