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How many people die from illnesses related to obesity? Should snack food companies, soda manufacturers or fast food restaurants be held accountable? I see people slowly killing themselves at work everyday- whenever they go over to a soda or vending machine, or bring in a bag of McDonalds...

I don't know bro, Uncle Sam has done a pretty decent job of bashing all of that too. They haven't tried to illegalize it to the extent of this; however, they've made steps to make it more difficult: labeling, FDA, putting info on drive thru menus, general propaganda. Let's not forget the New York governor making salt or any soda larger than 12 oz illegal.
The bottom line is if enough of the general populous enjoys something it must be bad; and, we as the general populous are too ignorant to make decisions for ourselves; henceforth, it ks the government and state run medias job to save us from ourselves no matter what it is.



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Holy crap my brain hurts:?: I just read every post and that was quite a bit to take in and once again fishee aint got much to say that aint already been said. But I do work at a convenience store here in Colorado which was the first and only state to sell Vuse. I heard today Utah has em now also. I see these things flying off the shelf at my work and I am always asking what the customer thinks of them. Almost everyone Seems to like them. But they have only ever tried either the vuse or blu or something similar so they really don't have anything to compare with. But for those that are trying to get away from cigs they say the Vuse ids helping them do that. I'm not sure what RJR is putting in their e-ccig liquid but if it's not as dangerous as smoking their Camels then I'm happy for those people that are using the Vuse and having it work for them. It's a junk product and folks are bringing them back all the time because they stop functioning. But for the most part all my regular Vuse buying gas station customers are sticking with them. I of course am always pulling out my vv3 or MVP or handing them Mt Baker cards, writing down other vendors, telling them about ECF etc...
One of the ladies that buys the Vuse stuff on a regular basis came in tonight got her cartos and told me how ...... she was that NeW Mexico doesn't have Vuse. She was down there and had ran put of vuse cartos. She said she went with a dispoable Blu instead and when compared to the Vuse it was terrible. She really likes vuse. I had once given her a Mt Baker card I was carrying around in my wallet but she said she lost it and wondered if I had another. Too bad I didn't. But told her next time I will write down a bunch of stuff fro her. She wants to move on to something like the iTaste vv3 because I keep telling her all the great things about all the better stuff out there.
Whatever, I don't really have a point here just wanted to jump in this thread since I read the whole thing and made my brain squishee.
I've vaped the Vuse and it tasted fairly good. I would never buy one! I don't trust BT at all. But it's simple to drop a few drops of e-liquid in their carto. I've done that for a vuse user before and he loved it.
Kudos to you if you read my post. Even bigger kudos to you if you actually were able to get something of value out of it.
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Holy crap my brain hurts:?: I just read every post and that was quite a bit to take in and once again fishee aint got much to say that aint already been said. But I do work at a convenience store here in Colorado which was the first and only state to sell Vuse. I heard today Utah has em now also. I see these things flying off the shelf at my work and I am always asking what the customer thinks of them. Almost everyone Seems to like them. But they have only ever tried either the vuse or blu or something similar so they really don't have anything to compare with. But for those that are trying to get away from cigs they say the Vuse ids helping them do that. I'm not sure what RJR is putting in their e-ccig liquid but if it's not as dangerous as smoking their Camels then I'm happy for those people that are using the Vuse and having it work for them. It's a junk product and folks are bringing them back all the time because they stop functioning. But for the most part all my regular Vuse buying gas station customers are sticking with them. I of course am always pulling out my vv3 or MVP or handing them Mt Baker cards, writing down other vendors, telling them about ECF etc...
One of the ladies that buys the Vuse stuff on a regular basis came in tonight got her cartos and told me how ...... she was that NeW Mexico doesn't have Vuse. She was down there and had ran put of vuse cartos. She said she went with a dispoable Blu instead and when compared to the Vuse it was terrible. She really likes vuse. I had once given her a Mt Baker card I was carrying around in my wallet but she said she lost it and wondered if I had another. Too bad I didn't. But told her next time I will write down a bunch of stuff fro her. She wants to move on to something like the iTaste vv3 because I keep telling her all the great things about all the better stuff out there.
Whatever, I don't really have a point here just wanted to jump in this thread since I read the whole thing and made my brain squishee.
I've vaped the Vuse and it tasted fairly good. I would never buy one! I don't trust BT at all. But it's simple to drop a few drops of e-liquid in their carto. I've done that for a vuse user before and he loved it.
Kudos to you if you read my post. Even bigger kudos to you if you actually were able to get something of value out of it.
:D

I've never seen not heard of vuse I'm guessing that it's rjr version of a cigalike? Sort of a blu?
I ask cause my fiancé smokes the blu usually just around me since I'm off the cosh for a month now; she's not a fan of my setups at all. Is the vuse a rechargeable Pcc deal like the blu? Do you refill it the same way you would the blu? I refill hers for her


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I've never seen not heard of vuse I'm guessing that it's rjr version of a cigalike? Sort of a blu?
I ask cause my fiancé smokes the blu usually just around me since I'm off the cosh for a month now; she's not a fan of my setups at all. Is the vuse a rechargeable Pcc deal like the blu? Do you refill it the same way you would the blu? I refill hers for her


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It is RJR version of the cig-a-like. It does not come with the pcc like the Blu. It has just a basic usb stick charger. The basic kit is one battery, one carto, and the charger. The more expensive kit has two cartos and a carrying case. The carto can be refilled by simply dripping a few drops into the hole at the connecter end. I don't recall if the cap comes off or not.
I have know idea if they can be ordered for delivery or if they are only available in Colorado and Utah.
But there are numerous cig-a-likes out there that are not associated with BT that would probably work very well for your fiance.
There is NOTHING special about the Vuse.
 

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It is RJR version of the cig-a-like. It does not come with the pcc like the Blu. It has just a basic usb stick charger. The basic kit is one battery, one carto, and the charger. The more expensive kit has two cartos and a carrying case. The carto can be refilled by simply dripping a few drops into the hole at the connecter end. I don't recall if the cap comes off or not.
I have know idea if they can be ordered for delivery or if they are only available in Colorado and Utah.
But there are numerous cig-a-likes out there that are not associated with BT that would probably work very well for your fiance.
There is NOTHING special about the Vuse.

Lol- thank you


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Holy crap my brain hurts:?: I just read every post and that was quite a bit to take in and once again fishee aint got much to say that aint already been said. But I do work at a convenience store here in Colorado which was the first and only state to sell Vuse. I heard today Utah has em now also. I see these things flying off the shelf at my work and I am always asking what the customer thinks of them. Almost everyone Seems to like them. But they have only ever tried either the vuse or blu or something similar so they really don't have anything to compare with. But for those that are trying to get away from cigs they say the Vuse ids helping them do that. I'm not sure what RJR is putting in their e-ccig liquid but if it's not as dangerous as smoking their Camels then I'm happy for those people that are using the Vuse and having it work for them. It's a junk product and folks are bringing them back all the time because they stop functioning. But for the most part all my regular Vuse buying gas station customers are sticking with them. I of course am always pulling out my vv3 or MVP or handing them Mt Baker cards, writing down other vendors, telling them about ECF etc...
One of the ladies that buys the Vuse stuff on a regular basis came in tonight got her cartos and told me how ...... she was that NeW Mexico doesn't have Vuse. She was down there and had ran put of vuse cartos. She said she went with a dispoable Blu instead and when compared to the Vuse it was terrible. She really likes vuse. I had once given her a Mt Baker card I was carrying around in my wallet but she said she lost it and wondered if I had another. Too bad I didn't. But told her next time I will write down a bunch of stuff fro her. She wants to move on to something like the iTaste vv3 because I keep telling her all the great things about all the better stuff out there.
Whatever, I don't really have a point here just wanted to jump in this thread since I read the whole thing and made my brain squishee.
I've vaped the Vuse and it tasted fairly good. I would never buy one! I don't trust BT at all. But it's simple to drop a few drops of e-liquid in their carto. I've done that for a vuse user before and he loved it.
Kudos to you if you read my post. Even bigger kudos to you if you actually were able to get something of value out of it.
:D

Good for you for passing on information to them about other vendors! The single good thing about these BT cigalikes is that they are making people aware of vaping and are often their first step into the vaping world. The original question was, and this isn't aimed at you Fisheeboy, would we, as individuals, buy a BT vape. My answer was a resounding hell no for me personally but that doesn't mean they aren't a useful tool for others to get off cigarettes and that is a most excellent thing.
 

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i cut my nic from 18mg to 6mg overnight last week, as a result of an observation by my wife. In 30 years of smoking i was never able to cut my smoking by 1/3. I'm guessing because of all the other chemicals in cigarettes.

Why would they not add those same chemicals to any juice they sold?

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This says everything I came here to say.
 

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I don't think the ethics of "big tobacco" are any worse than any other large multi-national corporation. Of course, in this day and time, that is hardly an endorsement as they all are interested in one thing: maximizing profits--their customers be dammed. That being said, I prefer doing business with the smaller companies which produce more innovative/interesting products. The vaping world is a perfect case-in-point.
 

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Anyone remember the Kent Micronite filter that was supposed to remove all the bad stuff and deliver clean taste? It was made of asbestos. Lawsuits followed, both from smokers who inhaled the asbestos through filters and the workers who made them in the factory. There are still lawsuits pending from lung cancer patients who smoked them. Do we want to trust BT to deliver technology through our ecigs?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/magazine/who-made-that-cigarette-filter.html?_r=0

“Moist lips are thrilling lips! Keep them soft, alluring.” So proclaimed a 1936 ad for a novelty cigarette, designed for women. At the time, almost all cigarettes were unfiltered. Companies sometimes added special mouthpieces — called beauty tips, often made of cork — for women. After all, what seductress would want to be seen picking tobacco flecks off her tongue? In the early 1950s, when scientific reports showed just how dangerous smoking could be, tobacco companies scrambled to add mouthpieces to most cigarettes, hiring labs at Dow and DuPont to design them. In 1952, the Kent Micronite came equipped with a filter that sucked particles out of the smoke — “Here’s proof you can see. . . . Kent gives greater protection than any other cigarette,” the ad read. But the Micronite contained asbestos fibers that were far more dangerous than tobacco smoke. Philip Morris promised that an antifreeze chemical (diethylene glycol) in the mouthpiece would take “the FEAR out of smoking.” And DuPont scientists tried to trap harmful particles with new fabrics, including Dacron, the same polyester that allowed for wrinkle-free pantsuits.

Knowing about that, does anyone worry about inhaling silica fibers from wicks? We probably should worry. I've moved to cotton wicking lately and don't really plan to return to silica. Sure, it's wet when vaping, but what happens when it pops and crackles while we are inhaling? At least cotton isn't full of little spears made of rocky material.
 
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How many people die from illnesses related to obesity? Should snack food companies, soda manufacturers or fast food restaurants be held accountable? I see people slowly killing themselves at work everyday- whenever they go over to a soda or vending machine, or bring in a bag of McDonalds...
Only if they lie about what's in it.
 

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No I wouldn't purchase products made by them. It's not necessarily an ethical thing but to a point it is.

With hardware, I would prefer to purchase devices from a company that has already built up a reputation for decent quality products. Since my preferred device has already been established there would be no room for a new player to influence me in that area. If it turned out that I was only allowed to use a nonrefillable cigalike & there was no work around for that I would probably quit vaping. I enjoy vaping but don't enjoy it enough to allow it to become the vice that smoking was for me.

As far as eliquids, I could never purchase eliquid from BT without thinking they put something in it in addiction to the standard pg, vg, nic & flavoring. If that was my only resource for eliquid I would quit vaping for the reason already stated.
 

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Good for you for passing on information to them about other vendors! The single good thing about these BT cigalikes is that they are making people aware of vaping and are often their first step into the vaping world. The original question was, and this isn't aimed at you Fisheeboy, would we, as individuals, buy a BT vape. My answer was a resounding hell no for me personally but that doesn't mean they aren't a useful tool for others to get off cigarettes and that is a most excellent thing.

Amen- the first step is the hardest and of itakes that first step easier for whatever reason than its a good thing.



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Only if they lie about what's in it.

Didn't the fast food industry fight tooth and nail to keep from having to post calorie and fat content? Haven't they been accused of targeting children? I see people in their 20's at work drinking 5 or more sodas or energy drinks and all I think is, wow, they have no idea what they are in for in 10-15 years when they get diabetes...
Smoking was drummed into me from an early age that it was bad. I remember the horror show videos in health class about black lungs and people who have had their throats/cheeks removed from dipping. That wasn't enough to keep me from smoking- an ingredient list certainly wasn't either...
 

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I remember the horror show videos in health class about black lungs and people who have had their throats/cheeks removed from dipping. That wasn't enough to keep me from smoking- an ingredient list certainly wasn't either...
I remember those too. Wasn't it just about a year or two ago that some faction of the federal government wanted pictures of this kind of stuff on each and every pack of cigarettes?

I don't believe these scare tactics are ever effective. They are pretty gross though.
 

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I remember those too. Wasn't it just about a year or two ago that some faction of the federal government wanted pictures of this kind of stuff on each and every pack of cigarettes?

I don't believe these scare tactics are ever effective. They are pretty gross though.

Yeah, I believe some countries have the black lung pictures on them. Last time I was in Finland, years ago, the cigarettes were outrageously expensive and had plain white wrappers which said something like smoking will kill you. Still, there were smokers everywhere...
It was years ago, but I remember someone was dipping and spitting into a coke can during the video of a guy who had no jaw because of dipping...
 

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Yeah, I believe some countries have the black lung pictures on them. Last time I was in Finland, years ago, the cigarettes were outrageously expensive and had plain white wrappers which said something like smoking will kill you. Still, there were smokers everywhere...
It was years ago, but I remember someone was dipping and spitting into a coke can during the video of a guy who had no jaw because of dipping...

All the more reason that BT needed to make cigarettes as addicting as they possibly could.

I was at my Father's bedside when he died of complications resulting from emphysema, basically pneumonia and I vowed to quit cigarettes forever. That was 25 years ago and, of course, that never happened until I started vapeing effectively. (meaning decent vapeing equipment and not cigalikes.)
 

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Didn't the fast food industry fight tooth and nail to keep from having to post calorie and fat content?
Which is all based on the incorrect premise that fat is bad, and that there's any real benefit to counting calories.

Haven't they been accused of targeting children?
Oh for crying out loud. They sell food. Obviously they wanna make some of it appealing to children. I don't know if have kids, but they're typically not much into salads. If you don't want your kids eating the stuff sold at fast food joints, don't take 'em there.

I see people in their 20's at work drinking 5 or more sodas or energy drinks and all I think is, wow, they have no idea what they are in for in 10-15 years when they get diabetes...
They're adults right? In that case, they have an unalienable right to pursue their happiness, even if doing so is bad for them.
 

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I don't think I would because I think it would be in desperation of losing money from the analogue. I like that the small companies are coming out. I would like to see more makers of mods in this country though. I know it is cheaper to make things overseas but I would like to see that. Eventually I want a Provari because it's well made and made in the USA. I will grant you I can't afford it at the moment but I will get there.
 
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