A Question of Ethics

[StephenMulkey]

I don't think there's a whole lot of smokers left (present or former) who can honestly say that they didn't know smoking was addictive and bad for them when they started. I certainly did, and that makes ME responsible for any harm that 36 years of smoking may have caused me.

Cigarettes are incredibly addictive by design. The chemical dependency overpowers the knowledge that they are dangerous. They don't even attempt to make them safer. The big companies only care about profit. I totally disagree with placing all blame on the user. Cigarettes are in movies and TV. We all grew up seeing Icons smoking, We are programmed at a subconscious level to want to try cigarettes, and once we try them we become addicted to them.

 

[Purplepeeps]

I don't think there's a whole lot of smokers left (present or former) who can honestly say that they didn't know smoking was addictive and bad for them when they started. I certainly did, and that makes ME responsible for any harm that 36 years of smoking may have caused me.

Do you remember the bar code giveaways from Marlboro? I smoked all the more to get free stuff! I had just about everything in the catalog, including the down coat. And yes, I knew it was bad for me back then.

 

[Taowulf]

Here's an interesting FAQ for RJ's products.....https://vusevapor.com/modules/FooterLinks/ProductFAQ.aspx

Worth reading through, and pray this is NOT the future of vaping.....

This approach works for Apple and people love that stuff.

I hate proprietary products. It isn't about making a quality product, it is about locking consumers in to where they feel like they have no other choice than to stay with that one company because they already invested so much into it. People hate admitting they were wrong. or could have done it better. Which is why eGo type kits are such a great way to start vaping. You can pick from a whole bunch of different vendors, and even upgrade to a better PV and still use the same accessories if you want.

 

[Taowulf]

Do you remember the bar code giveaways from Marlboro? I smoked all the more to get free stuff! I had just about everything in the catalog, including the down coat.

I miss when they sent me birthday presents...and I didn't even smoke Marbs!

 

[edyle]

This may b the wrong place to post this, but i am curious of other peoples opinion....if marlboro or camel was to get into the vaping business (i.e. liquids or mods) would you purchase their products?...myself, i am torn on one hand, for years they have produced a product that harms/kills people (granted by choice), with no effort to come up with a safer alternative...but it if they were to start it does show an attempt towards helping along the safer alternative...also I'm not to fond of giving my money to a major company like this, but with the kind of money a company like this could use to further the efficiency and safety of the vaping products...at this point id like to say that i would much rather support a smaller home grown business, so i probly wouldn't buy from a major tobacco company...anyway what's ya'alls views on this?

Seems to me there's all kinds of junk out there in cigarettes.
But winston and camel.. nope, not junk; I can't speak for marlboro though; I used to smoke camels, and was able to stay at about 5 cigs a day. Smoke too much and didn't enjoy it; then when I moved and couldn't get my camels anymore, it was back to junk cigs and soon back to pack a day kind of smoking.

So if Camel did come up with something I'd be interested because of the quality of the older product.

 

[xanderxman]

Marlboro still sends me birthday presents. Just got one a few weeks ago for my Bday. A very nice ash tray with a removable, cleanable bottom. I pitched it in the garbage, along with the coupons I get bi-weekly. Apparently they didn't get the memo.

I would not touch a liquid produced by BT. They don't care about the safety and health of their consumers and I can't imagine they would suddenly have a change of heart when producing liquids. I would rather vape the sweaty remains of a rugby teams jock straps than a liquid that BT produced.

 

[glasseye]

Not. One. Dime. Yes, I knew cigarettes were bad for me, addictive, etc. What I didn't know, or refused to accept, was the engineering behind cigarettes to make that that much more addictive and feel-good. The laundry list of chemicals. The bills sponsored by RJR to squash anything that didn't give them the upper hand. And yes they do target children. Not so you'd notice in this country, but other countries, yes. I wish I could find that video.

I should trust them to make vape gear? Yeah..... no.

 

[klynnn]

Marlboro never sent me coupons until I quit smoking.

 

[Ryedan]

I don't mind doing business with big companies but if ethics were any part of my decision it would be to question "Would Philip Morris keep my vape juices clean and pure?" and the answer would be no, I wouldn't trust them.

This.

I wouldn't rust them to not design the most addictive vape solution they could.

I know it can be done. Sorry, just too much water under that bridge for me.

YMMV.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

Cigarettes are incredibly addictive by design. The chemical dependency overpowers the knowledge that they are dangerous.

No... I'm not buying that. Regardless of whether I got addicted unknowingly, it's still *my* responsibility to do something about it once I have all the facts. I (and millions of others) simply chose not to.

They don't even attempt to make them safer.

Because your elected officials "cut a deal" with them. (i.e., Big Tobacoo bought their right to keep killing us ) So who really cares about you? (That's rhetorical... nobody cares about you except "you" in these matters).

 

[Iffy]

Ethics my...

Let's put this into perspective. GM and Toyota get justifiably BBQ'd for their failures. But yet, Big Gov gives BT and BP a free pa$$ for killing multiple orders more!

I have more than 'nuff nic to get da Marlboro man outta da grave and back in da saddle. Eff 'em!!!

 

[MrsP0721]

This may b the wrong place to post this, but i am curious of other peoples opinion....if marlboro or camel was to get into the vaping business (i.e. liquids or mods) would you purchase their products?...myself, i am torn on one hand, for years they have produced a product that harms/kills people (granted by choice), with no effort to come up with a safer alternative...but it if they were to start it does show an attempt towards helping along the safer alternative...also I'm not to fond of giving my money to a major company like this, but with the kind of money a company like this could use to further the efficiency and safety of the vaping products...at this point id like to say that i would much rather support a smaller home grown business, so i probly wouldn't buy from a major tobacco company...anyway what's ya'alls views on this?

For me, it wouldn't be an ethical choice honestly, if they had something that I liked and isn't laced with chemicals, then sure. As far as them 'making an effort', unfortunately they're not making anything for us to be healthier, they're making something to make them even more money. They don't care if we're sick and dying, they care about the money. They see that this 'vaping thing' is taking off, taking business away from them and making money. See how many times I said money, that's b/c that is all big corporations like those care about. They have no care or worry about yours or my health or trying to make things safer! In fact, I could totally see them putting additives in their products to increase sales! But that's just my

 

[xanderxman]

SNIP.....
Because your elected officials "cut a deal" with them. (i.e., Big Tobacoo bought their right to keep killing us ) So who really cares about you? (That's rhetorical... nobody cares about you except "you" in these matters).

And that is exactly why I would not touch a BT produced liquid. They would just as soon string me along with some liquid that wouldn't outright kill me, only make me sick enough to have to depend on BP pills for the rest of my life.

 

[StephenMulkey]

No... I'm not buying that. Regardless of whether I got addicted unknowingly, it's still *my* responsibility to do something about it once I have all the facts. I (and millions of others) simply chose not to.

Because your elected officials "cut a deal" with them. (i.e., Big Tobacoo bought their right to keep killing us ) So who really cares about you? (That's rhetorical... nobody cares about you except "you" in these matters).

Not sure if serious...

 

[Iffy]

Not sure if serious...

Hell yes he's serious! How 'bout you... ummmm?

 

[xanderxman]

SNIP

No... I'm not buying that. Regardless of whether I got addicted unknowingly, it's still *my* responsibility to do something about it once I have all the facts. I (and millions of others) simply chose not to.

How many food manufacturers would get by with the same pass? We should let them put toxins in our food and allow the general public to gather all the required data to form an opinion about their product, while millions of people die from using it? Oh wait, we already have that. Just google GMO. Unfortunately, the people we thought were looking out for us were only looking out for dollars.

Follow the money people. Government is concerned about the size of their bankroll, not our health. We need to wake up and take control back. Stop supporting BT and BP.

 

[edyle]

I'd be more interested in any hardware they managed to come up with, but if they made eliquids.... oo00oo .... I'd be mighty suspicious of that stuff;

Wouldn't surprise me if they managed to get the usgov to make them the only legit supplier of usp grade nicotine.

 

[WillyZee]

#%&# em ... they can rot in #@$%

 

[HauntedMyst]

Hell No. They are greedy murderers.

It's not really murder, at least in the USA and most of the western world since 1964. It's more of assisted suicide. You can't blame the gun company if you buy the gun knowing if you put it to your forehead and shoot it will kill you.

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

A couple of previous post stated that big tobacco never did anything to create a safer product.

As I recall reading, sometime in the 90s that they had created a safer product. They decided not to market it because a safer product would indicate that the product they were marketing would be deemed as unsafe.

Sorry, no references to this.

And no, I won't be buying any tobacco companies product ever again, regardless of what it is. (I still wear my Marlboro Swiss Army Watch though. 2000 coupons IIRC.)