About to give up, all I want is a Marlboro

[2coils]

Do you guys really think it's beneficial to advise someone who is frustrated to head off into an endless search spending tons of money on specific juices by specific vendors? Like to me, Devil Dog is gross as hell.
What's the root of the frustration? What can we do that will help somebody along their own path without sending them to the poorhouse and feeling defeated in the end?

You have a point about spending until one is in the poorhouse. I agree. I along others in this thread, who have experienced the same issue, are just trying to share experiences that have worked for us. I don't know that there is a right or wrong answer. Though your point is well taken.

 

[tinkrrrbell]

You have a point about spending until one is in the poorhouse. I agree. I along others in this thread, who have experienced the same issue, are just trying to share experiences that have worked for us. I don't know that there is a right or wrong answer. Though your point is well taken.

I agree about there being no right or wrong answer here. It's not even a situation where pros and cons can be listed - except for the pros and cons of vaping over analog. If your mind is convinced that none of the flavors you've tried are giving you an, for lack of better term, authentic "smoking" experience, you're going to have a difficult time getting beyond that. That said, coming from someone of very little experience, I can't imagine success will be achieved dwelling on the fact that vaping isn't smoking - because it's not. It's going to feel, look, smell, taste, and effect you differently. Even if there was a juice out there that's dead on flavor-wise with a Marlboro red, it's still going to be different in every other way - though perhaps in this case, it sounds like it would be at least worth a try.

 

[landman2k1]

Im new to this whole thing as well. And just like you , im searching for that Marlboro vape alike. Dont give up or give in. Keep searching and trying tobacco flavors until you find the one that helps you through the cravings. I actually tried a Marlboro liquid today , but the vendor said he was out until Thursday. Talk about a kick in the head. It was the first tabacco liquid ive tried that didnt taste like an ashtray. Its out there just give it some time. Stay strong .

Rock

This was my problem, all the tobacco flavors tasted like I was licking an ashtray. They smelled like I had just poured water into an ashtray to put out a fire. I quit searching for a cigarette flavor and started looking for more of a pipe/cigar type of tobacco and found one that I really liked from Heather's. Haven't looked back since.

 

[landman2k1]

Do you guys really think it's beneficial to advise someone who is frustrated to head off into an endless search spending tons of money on specific juices by specific vendors? Like to me, Devil Dog is gross as hell.
What's the root of the frustration? What can we do that will help somebody along their own path without sending them to the poorhouse and feeling defeated in the end?

You asked the question, but didn't offer an alternative. Should we just tell someone "screw it then, keep smoking!" You can have top tier equipment, but you aren't going to enjoy vaping and therefore quit smoking unless you can find a juice that works for you, and you can't do that unless you try some juices. Trying different juices doesn't have to put you in the poor house. I started off ordering sample packs, and going to local B&Ms to sample their juices.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I hope you find a way to quit smoking and find vaping as enjoyable as I do. I was not able to quit with vaping in 2009, or again in 2011. I needed more power, better delivery and stronger juices, many of which have just recently gotten to the point where I could make it work. Quitting smoking is just that - quitting smoking. Vaping will never be like smoking, it's a different experience altogether, and while it provides a level of nicotine replacement, it doesn't replace smoking. It easier to substitute one thing for another vs. cold turkey, but you have to really want to quit, really accept the differences, really want to vape and find it's unique pleasures, but it's not smoking and never will be. I wish you well in your endeavor and hope you find peace.

 

[dres22]

I hope you find a way to quit smoking and find vaping as enjoyable as I do. I was not able to quit with vaping in 2009, or again in 2011. I needed more power, better delivery and stronger juices, many of which have just recently gotten to the point where I could make it work. Quitting smoking is just that - quitting smoking. Vaping will never be like smoking, it's a different experience altogether, and while it provides a level of nicotine replacement, it doesn't replace smoking. It easier to substitute one thing for another vs. cold turkey, but you have to really want to quit, really accept the differences, really want to vape and find it's unique pleasures, but it's not smoking and never will be. I wish you well in your endeavor and hope you find peace.

Very well put. I am only 4 weeks in. I enjoy vapping but still miss smoking. But with time and committment I hope to get past my urge to smoke. I hope you do as well.

 

[Jo Patterson]

In addition to the tobacco flavors have you tried WTA ?
Some people need that as their addiction is to more than the nicotine and they need the extra analog chemicals periodically
till they get free.

If you need that morning cigarette, does it matter if you take it ? Can you assign yourself a few analogs for the specific times that you really, really need them ? There are alot of threads from people who say they couldn't go cold turkey - they all advise to relax and count the smokes you didn't have, and use the e-sig as a way of drawing out the times between smokes rather than cold turkey replacing them.

E-cigs don't give you that fast nicotine hit either - so early morning cravings are really easy to understand. It takes time for the nicotine to build up from vaping. So I personally don't see any problem creating your personal program around that.

Maybe - a morning vape right by the bed - high nic --- a few vapes in the bathroom - a few while dressing - ect.... Hit vaping hard right from the beginning before you get up and see if building that nicotine helps you to avoid that morning smoke. If not, forgive yourself and take it. Every smoke you don't take is a good thing, and takes you closer and closer to being free of cravings.

My brother in law actually has to get up in the middle of the night for a cigarette, he can't go all night without a fix. So clearly if he decided to vape, that sort of thing would have to be taken into consideration.

Whatever works for you - at the speed that works for you - it's all good in my opinion.

 

[Nermal]

I don't know, Pete. I started vaping with the same kind of thinking. That is, I wanted it to be so similar to smoking I wouldn't even notice the difference. It isn't happening. I'm branching out into more fruity flavors with the idea that vaping is instead of smoking, as opposed to being the same as smoking. The new concept is working as well as, or maybe better than the old. As others have said, it'll never be the same.

Disclaimer: I'm much more in the learning phase than teaching.

 

[snork]

You asked the question, but didn't offer an alternative. Should we just tell someone "screw it then, keep smoking!" You can have top tier equipment, but you aren't going to enjoy vaping and therefore quit smoking unless you can find a juice that works for you, and you can't do that unless you try some juices. Trying different juices doesn't have to put you in the poor house. I started off ordering sample packs, and going to local B&Ms to sample their juices.

Of course I offered an alternative. It's an understanding, a mindset.

 

[2coils]

You asked the question, but didn't offer an alternative. Should we just tell someone "screw it then, keep smoking!" You can have top tier equipment, but you aren't going to enjoy vaping and therefore quit smoking unless you can find a juice that works for you, and you can't do that unless you try some juices. Trying different juices doesn't have to put you in the poor house. I started off ordering sample packs, and going to local B&Ms to sample their juices.

There is definitely trial and error involved. There is a ton of different e-liquids, delivery systems, personal vaporizers etc... There IS a learning curve. Its also possible that the OP isn't getting the most out of the hardware too. I don't suggest a new vaper dive in and try everything all at once, though most evolve through time and find what works for them. I suggest some you tube videos and blogs from our veteran members to make sure execution is right as well. There is something to be said about inhalation technique too. Though you have to enjoy the taste of your selected liquid or it will be even tougher!

 

[Scope666]

There is definitely trial and error involved. There is a ton of different e-liquids, delivery systems, personal vaporizers etc... There IS a learning curve. Its also possible that the OP isn't getting the most out of the hardware too. I don't suggest a new vaper dive in and try everything all at once, though most evolve through time and find what works for them. I suggest some you tube videos and blogs from our veteran members to make sure execution is right as well. There is something to be said about inhalation technique too. Though you have to enjoy the taste of your selected liquid or it will be even tougher!

Totally agree... I was lucky and started with a fairly good setup after reading a bunch of reviews. Halo Triton twist VV battery, Triton tanks, etc. I've now moved on to an iTaste MVP and the little VV unit, with iClear 16s and a 30. (Wife now using the Tritons, she loves it)

It's been just over a week since I had my last analog, so far, so good!

 

[pufZeppelin]

my 'catch phrase is to all newbies' "You HAVE To Learn How To E-SMOKE"
it is different than analog stinkys
those little 'cig-a-like' batteries just don't put out enuff power for good, consistent vaping IMO

I too wanted only real tobacco flavor, no sweet flowery stuff, then I found just that.
But on my way I got attached to the caramel/vanilla hint of flavor and now that's what I prefer...

Johnson Creek has a line (Red Oak) that is PG free, 100% VG (PG bothers my throat)
I found Silverthorn @ 24mg nic was just what I wanted in a tobacco taste clone...
big clouds of warm vapor that tastes bitter and dry like a real cig, but by the time I found it,
I was corrupted by a slight touch of sweetness... (so now a few drops in my Silverthorn makes it all good)

stay strong and good luck ! !

 

[MizK]

Hi there! I don't have much new to add to the conversation, just wanted to add my words of encouragement and throw my juice recommendation into the hat.

I understand your reasoning behind why you prefer the older style ecig batteries, but I definitely agree with what others have said; they really don't put out the power required to get the good strong vape you're needing to kick the analog craving. Once you get that nice strong throat hit that only a higher voltage battery can give you, you probably won't care so much what it feels like in your hand. Maybe also try a lower resistance coil for a stronger throat hit.

As for that juice recommendation I mentioned, Buckeye Vapors is my personal favorite place for juices. It's my local vaping shop (but you can order from their website and have it shipped to you), so I've tried a lot of their juices. They are all very flavorful and true to their names & descriptions. They actually have a flavor called Analog, which might be just what you're looking for. Full disclosure: I have not personally tried this particular juice, it's not really my cup of tea. Even when I was an analog smoker, I smoked menthols and was never a fan of the "traditional cigarette" flavor. However, I can attest to the general high quality and true-to-taste of their juices.

Best of luck to you, and don't you dare throw in the towel!! Keep experimenting, you'll find the setup and juice that does it for you and finally makes you never want to touch those analogs again! It's out there! Like someone else said, upping the nicotine strength might work wonders too!

EDIT: pzsoulman, I just noticed that you're a fellow Buckeye! Depending on where you live in Ohio, you may not be too far from good ol' Buckeye Vapors! (It's in the Columbus area) If you're within reasonable distance, I highly recommend you stop in. You can sample all of their juices there in the store (make sure you allow yourself plenty of time, they have a ton), and the staff there is great. I'm sure they'd be able to help you out with finding a setup that works awesome for what you want. Good luck again, and O-H!!

 

[Scope666]

Halo has some great juices as well. I'm a big fan of Tribeca, and the Belgian Cocoa is pretty tasty. (halocigs-dot-com)

 

[pufZeppelin]

after reading some more of these posts...

hate to tell you to spend more money, but a tried and true - very popular set up

Kanger eVod Kit - Blue

the smaller 650mAh batteries in this kit is sorta a compromise to the small 'cig-a-like' style you don't wanna leave behind

my evod/650 kit really does the trick !

I too started (and wasted money) with those skinny small look a likes thinking it was Cool 'cause it was electronic
then frustration set in and I bought my evod kit and all has been good since (45 days)
those little cute 'kinda like a cig' almost made me just give up and buy a pack

but I stood tall and stuck to VAPING !

my set-up: EVOD/650 Johnson Creek Silverthorn 24mg (with a few drops of caramel)

Good Luck and stick with it !!!

be sure to let us know

 

[Scope666]

after reading some more of these posts...

hate to tell you to spend more money, but a tried and true - very popular set up

Kanger eVod Kit - Blue

the smaller 650mAh batteries in this kit is sorta a compromise to the small 'cig-a-like' style you don't wanna leave behind

my evod/650 kit really does the trick !

I too started (and wasted money) with those skinny small look a likes thinking it was Cool 'cause it was electronic
then frustration set in and I bought my evod kit and all has been good since (45 days)
those little cute 'kinda like a cig' almost made me just give up and buy a pack

but I stood tall and stuck to VAPING !

my set-up: EVOD/650 Johnson Creek Silverthorn 24mg (with a few drops of caramel)

Good Luck and stick with it !!!

be sure to let us know

Excellent recommendation ... and for those that don't know fasttech.com has some ridiculous deals on supplies. My MVP arrived today (7 days total ship time) and it was only $45 with 2 iClear 16s.

 

[Aflatoxin]

You have got to up your nicotine my friend. I'm talkin about vaping 30mg nic.
That made all the difference for me. It's the nic that has the peppery throat hit you are missing too. Flavor means nothing, if it's all for nothin. Upping my nic save my life. I make my own juice "DIY" so that allows me the freedom to vape higher nic at 1/3 the cost. PM me with any questions.

You simply have to get stabilized on the high nicotine you crave.

Everyones nicotine needs are different. After you are stabilized, you have to make an effort to stay away from other ppl who smoke. The smell will make you think about relapse. And as you know, you will need to remove all temptation (pitch those reds). But all in all, it should take hardly any will-power when you are vaping properly.
But to be honest, I smoked an analog once a day for 6 months while vaping too, until one day I said, this is the day, this is the day I quit all tobacco. I'm a chain-vaper now. I vape 20 to 24mg nic all day long. Sometime before bed, I'll vape a low-nic juice, if I think I'll have a hard time sleeping. Thats works pretty good.

If I can quit smoking, anybody can! I've been an RYO guy for the last 15 years of smoking analogs. I could roll a beautiful fat filterless faster then most ppl could open their pack. My fingers were perpetually stained with tar, ..on both my hands, and I had the lungs to match.
I could go on about how fierce my addiction was, but this is already too long I think.

I hope you find what you're looking for.
Whatever you do, don't beat yourself up. It's a process. It's a journey.

 

[chele9]

I hope you are hanging in there! I know its frustrating to try to find something to replace reg smokes, but you will find the right set up. You have some great suggestions already, I read in this thread. Don't give up!

 

[sammy76]

i too had the same issue as you, i was ok the rest of the day but first thing in the am i HAD to have an analog. well actually it was more like first thing and after meals. then it went to only in the am, after about 3 days of vaping i had just my pv no analog. you may still need to have an analog in the am for awhile, if you do thats ok. i smoked 2 packs a day so i figured if i had 3 cigs versus 30-40 i was doin pretty damn good. another thing that helped me was to get some WTA ejuice from aroma ejuice. its got all the tobacco alkaloids versus just nicotine. to me the diference is like eating a soy burger when ur really craving a big juicy cowburger. the best soyburger might almost satisfy the craving but its just kinda missing something ya know? its the same with me and regular nicotine only ejuice, just something missing.
btw i havent had an analog in almost two weeks now, i still have an open pack in the car and on the kitchen counter, just no desire for em. and ive tried everything to quit, patches, zyban, gum, tapering. so dont give up yet or beat yourself up over having an analog.

 

[Keitaro]

Hang in there, and for a tobacco that tastes like tobacco, all be that a generic or maybe L&M, the closest I have found is from Lucky's Vapor Store - Red Label flavor.

e-Juice (Tobacco Flavors) 10ml

I did a review for it on another site, my complaint was that it tasted and felt a little too much like an analog so, maybe it's just what you are looking for.

I live close by Lucky's and go there quite often. I gotta say, the pall mall flavor they have there is a lot better than the red label flavor in my opinion. It is one of the closest things to a real cig I've tried yet. It doesn't leave that perfumey aftertaste like most tobacco juices do. Although that's prolly because it needs to sit and steep for awhile. But with the Pall mall you can just buy and vape. I was a menthol smoker so I can't give you much advice other than the experiences I've had with non-menthol related stuff. Who knows, you might like a juice that is totally not tobacco related. Just keep your mind open and you will eventually find something you like! Hope this helps ~