Acetyl Proprionyl, Diacetyl, Acetoine HELP

[vangrl27]

Flavor West Butterscotch description.

"Butterscotch Water Soluble Flavoring. Ingredients: Natural and Artificial Flavoring, Propylene Glycol. USP Kosher Grade Flavoring. Usage Rate 15-20% for E-use. No Refunds on Flavoring. Color Level: Clear. "

does E-use refer to e-cig? and note that they are recommending using twice the amount of flavouring that was tested on that lab result.

FYI, contrary to popular belief, Mt Baker Vapor does not use Flavor West Butterscotch at all.

 

[GaryInTexas]

FYI, contrary to popular belief, Mt Baker Vapor does not use Flavor West Butterscotch at all.

What is your source for this? Do you mean now or that they never did?

 

[Jgren]

I'm confused.. So has everyone come to the conclusion that vaping is just as bad as smoking?

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[DeadbeatJeff]

I'm confused.. So has everyone come to the conclusion that vaping is just as bad as smoking?

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derp

 

[vangrl27]

What is your source for this? Do you mean now or that they never did?

"Our Butterscotch is not from Flavor West, and does not contain diacetyl...
We have seen the same test results done on Flavor West's butterscotch. Which is why we're proud to say that's not a flavoring we carry. Is there anything else I can help you with today?"

I asked if they used to use F.W in their butterscotch e-juice

"I'm sorry, that really is not information I am able to give out."

 

[we2rcool]

I'm confused.. So has everyone come to the conclusion that vaping is just as bad as smoking?

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Not that we know of! But there are chemicals in the flavors that are known inhalation risks, so we're doing our best to identify which flavorings contain them - so that we have the information we need to make a truly informed choice regarding whether or not to use them in our mixes.

 

[we2rcool]

"Our Butterscotch is not from Flavor West, and does not contain diacetyl...
We have seen the same test results done on Flavor West's butterscotch. Which is why we're proud to say that's not a flavoring we carry. Is there anything else I can help you with today?"

I asked if they used to use F.W in their butterscotch e-juice

"I'm sorry, that really is not information I am able to give out."

Seriously??? We are proud to say we don't "carry" FW Butterscotch because of the report showing it contains diacetyl! "But do you use it in your juices?" Well, we can't tell you that. :::eyes crossing and rolling::: seriously.

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

Seriously??? We are proud to say we don't "carry" FW Butterscotch because of the report showing it contains diacetyl! "But do you use it in your juices?" Well, we can't tell you that. :::eyes crossing and rolling::: seriously.

The answer they wouldn't give was if they had used it in the past. Unless they're really being semantic and put it in their juice but don't sell the flavor. Pretty sure it's the first though. Does Mt. Baker even sell flavors?

 

[vangrl27]

The answer they wouldn't give was if they had used it in the past. Unless they're really being semantic and put it in their juice but don't sell the flavor. Pretty sure it's the first though. Does Mt. Baker even sell flavors?

ya they sell flavouring
Butterscotch Electronic Cigarette Flavoring - Mt Baker Vapor - Electronic Cigarettes.
yowzers, they recommend 15-40% flavouring.

To be clear, they said they do not use flavor west butterscotch at all, not in their juices or in their DIY supplies.

They would not tell me if they had used it in the past.

 

[downInTn]

^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[aikanae1]

I can believe MBV uses other flavorings too. I read a comment a few weeks ago saying the MBV was experimenting with a 100% VG line. I don't remember the thread, but that can't be done with FW flavors currently in use.

 

[we2rcool]

ya they sell flavouring
Butterscotch Electronic Cigarette Flavoring - Mt Baker Vapor - Electronic Cigarettes.
yowzers, they recommend 15-40% flavouring.

To be clear, they said they do not use flavor west butterscotch at all, not in their juices or in their DIY supplies.

They would not tell me if they had used it in the past.

I asked if they used to use F.W in their butterscotch e-juice

"I'm sorry, that really is not information I am able to give out."

We haz confuzion :::grin::: see underlined above

 

[LoveVanilla]

FW continues to sell butterscotch flavoring without any warning. It appears they've now removed "All Flavoring Diacetyl Free!" on selected flavors. However, this claim on other flavors implies these are also diacetyl free. Given the ongoing delays, deceit, and failure to warn by Flavor West, is there any reason this evidence should not be handed over to a federal prosecutor or the CA attorney general?

If vapers setup crowd sourcing/funding for testing of suspect ecig flavors, seems this problem would rapidly disappear. Also seems the time for delays and excuses is long past.

**corrected**

 

[vangrl27]

FA continues to sell butterscotch flavoring without any warning. It appears they've now removed "All Flavoring Diacetyl Free!" on selected flavors. However, this claim on other flavors implies these are also diacetyl free. Given the ongoing delays, deceit, and failure to warn by Flavor Art, is there any reason this evidence should not be handed over to a federal prosecutor or the CA attorney general?

If vapers setup crowd sourcing/funding for testing of suspect ecig flavors, seems this problem would rapidly disappear. Also seems the time for delays and excuses is long past.

none of these say "all flavorings diacetyl free", does anyone know if they used to? although one would assume when they say that that they mean their entire line anyway.
-Butterscotch
-Butter toffee
-Butter Pecan
-Vanilla Butternut
-Butterscotch Tobacco
-Buttered Popcorn
-French Vanilla
-Vanilla Bean ice cream
-vanilla Custard
-vanilla cupcake
-vanilla Tobacco
-Salted Caramel
-Caramel Candy

 

[Soylent_Seal]

FA continues to sell butterscotch flavoring without any warning. It appears they've now removed "All Flavoring Diacetyl Free!" on selected flavors. However, this claim on other flavors implies these are also diacetyl free. Given the ongoing delays, deceit, and failure to warn by Flavor Art, is there any reason this evidence should not be handed over to a federal prosecutor or the CA attorney general?

If vapers setup crowd sourcing/funding for testing of suspect ecig flavors, seems this problem would rapidly disappear. Also seems the time for delays and excuses is long past.

Flavour Art or Flavor West? I got the impression that FA has been exemplary in their handling of this issue.

 

[vangrl27]

On another fun note-

"Dr. F indicated a new study adjudicated and reviewed by him is about to be released in which several samples of e-liquid tested contained massive amounts (70%) of ethylene glyc"

appeared as though E.G was used rather than P.G? He's coming out with the findings in the next few days or few weeks, and he's hoping it will "shake the e-cig industry very hard"

around 45 minutes in and again at around the 58 minute mark

http://vapersplace.com/show-schedule-and-replays

 

[HeadInClouds]

On another fun note-

"Dr. F indicated a new study adjudicated and reviewed by him is about to be released in which several samples of e-liquid tested contained massive amounts (70%) of ethylene glyc"

appeared as though E.G was used rather than P.G? He's coming out with the findings in the next few days or few weeks, and he's hoping it will "shake the e-cig industry very hard"

around 45 minutes in and again at around the 58 minute mark

Vapers Place - Show Schedule and Replays

I listened to those parts and a bit more, and my jaw dropped about an hour in. I sure hope this study is quickly made public, and I hope names are named. Absolutely stunning about the ethylene glycol. Can you tell us where to watch for an announcement regarding publication?

 

[HeadInClouds]

FA continues to sell butterscotch flavoring without any warning. It appears they've now removed "All Flavoring Diacetyl Free!" on selected flavors. However, this claim on other flavors implies these are also diacetyl free. Given the ongoing delays, deceit, and failure to warn by Flavor Art,

WHOA - this is Flavor West, not FlavourArt!

 

[LoveVanilla]

Flavour Art or Flavor West? I got the impression that FA has been exemplary in their handling of this issue.

Oops, oops, oops -- my bad, bad. Edited and corrected above. Flavor Art has indeed been exemplary in their handling of this issue.

I personally have purged nearly 50% of my flavors and restocked with Flavor Art.

 

[vangrl27]

I listened to those parts and a bit more, and my jaw dropped about an hour in. I sure hope this study is quickly made public, and I hope names are named. Absolutely stunning about the ethylene glycol. Can you tell us where to watch for an announcement regarding publication?

Sorry I'm not sure exactly when and where he'll announce it. I do believe he has a facebook page though, so he may announce it on there for a start?