This is really sad! Why are vendors adding/using Ethylene glycol? I thought the diketones were dangerous. Thanks for posting. I cannot wait to read Dr. F findings.
Acetyl Proprionyl, Diacetyl, Acetoine HELP
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For some reason that video is not loading for me, at all.
Any links to the info txt?
Any links to the info txt?
It is a audio version. Go to page and click on "What does the law say" epsidoe 8. It should work.
Yes. Yes, they did -- and their claims have been preserved in legally submissible format. Sad they'll pay overtime to hide false safety claims -- but still NOT add any content warnings. That won't play well with a jury.
BTW, manufacturers removed diacetyl from microwave popcorn in 2007 -- SEVEN YEARS AGO. Looks like Flavor West lawyers want to milk this company into bankruptcy while taking every last penny.
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HOLY Fn WOAHIt is a audio version. Go to page and click on "What does the law say" epsidoe 8. It should work.
If that is true it is a very big concern. Who would do this?
70% EG....
It's not even really any cheaper than PG, a few pennies. Honestly, and maybe Ima sound a little conspiracy theoryish here, but maybe: an effort to discredit ejuice producers?
That someone would do this on purpose, just to make money... or something... is beyond reason.
Oh, and FTR again: the title of this thread has a typo, Acetyl Pyrazine is fine. Tastes like nuttyness.
"It is entirely up to the vendors' [taking the initiative to test their products] to save this industry"
ya bit crazy for sure. It may have been a one time mistake on the vendors part, but it feels too coincidental that they'd test "several samples" of that particular vendor, someone must have been aware of something. I'm assuming it was one vendor? maybe hoping it was just one vendor
In light of the F.W lab test, another Canadian vendor who uses F.W concentrates decided to get some of their e-juices tested. Kudos to him for taking this step AND sharing it with everyone. I'm hoping that he finds a replacement for the suspect flavours.
TEST RESULTS - TheraVape Stepping to the Plate
I am thoroughly impressed with these Canadian vendors for footing the bill to test the claims of their own supplier, Flavor West. It is ridiculous that resellers have had to pay to test FW's false claims!
Thank you for letting us all know about these vendors and their findings.
Yes, they stated "All Flavoring Diacetyl Free!" on many flavors now under direct question.
They asked for 30-45 days to resolve. That was on March 26 and today is April 16 -- twenty-one days have now elapsed. Yet the only visible action is they've removed their false claim from selected products. However, didn't bother to add warning or disclaimer on flavors containing Diacetyl, Acetoin and/or AcetylProprionyl.
Let's see, harmful products remain on sale, no consumer warnings, no product recall and a history of false claims, delays and excuses. Stunning the owners should risk both personal freedom and livelihood on such poorly considered action. BTW, did I mention my cousin is a federal prosecutor?
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I remember asking them (flavorwest/vapor Renu) back in 2010 about Diacetyl in their flavorings/e-liquids. I am so glad I didn't like their flavorings except for the Cinnamon Roll.
How does a vendor get by with selling diacetyl/diketones?
On a different note: Vendors who are using known flavorings such as TPA Red Velvet cake (acetoin) and not disclosing that on their website. I seen this flavoring for sale on a popular vendors website.(Sold as a pre-mixed e-liquid.) My question is this: I wonder if their liability insurance pays for deceptive practices? They know this product may present some harm to e-vaporers. These folks are the one's who are destroying the vaping movement. End Rant.
not to mention all the resellers that are claiming that F.W flavours are diacetyl free, AND e-juice companies that are claiming this based on these statements.
You would have thought that if F.W had any concerns that their product may actually not be Diacetyl Free that they would have contacted all their wholesale customers to suggest they retract that claim until further proof was obtained.
short answer: contact the wholesale customers and work on the emerging BOYCOTT of FW Products (© 2014 acetyl pyrazine [sic], diacetyl, acetoine HELP --- e-cigarette forum)
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Well I won't be buying any of the new cereal flavors. I did want to try them. However, I highly regard a boycott and will stick to it. I will find a alternative to the cinnamon roll.
Here's a lil' "tidbit" that might be useful to pass on:
From the CDC https://www.osha.gov/dsg/guidance/diacetyl-guidance.html (we don't know/understand if or how this converts to "law"):
Guidance on Product Labels
Containers of food flavorings are subject to the labeling requirements of the HCS unless they are covered by the labeling provisions under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act or the Virus-Serum-Toxin Act of 1912 (29 CFR 1910.1200(b)(5)(iii)). It is expected that most workplace labels will not generally be subject to this exception.
The HCS requires that manufacturers and employers determine and provide appropriate hazard warning language for labels. Based on the hazard information described above, labels for containers of diacetyl must contain hazard warning statements similar to the following in order to meet the intent of the HCS (29 CFR 1910.1200(f)(1)):
Diacetyl
DANGER Can cause damage to respiratory tract and lungs if inhaled
Highly flammable
WARNING Can cause eye, skin, nose, and throat irritation
Responsible party name and contact information
Based on current information, labels for containers of food flavorings containing one percent or more diacetyl must contain hazard warning statements similar to the following in order to meet the intent of the HCS (29 CFR 1910.1200(f)(1)):
FFCD name
DANGER Can cause damage to respiratory tract and lungs if inhaled
WARNING Can cause eye, skin, nose, and throat irritation
Responsible party name and contact information
Containers of food flavorings are subject to the labeling requirements of the HCS unless they are covered by the labeling provisions under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act or the Virus-Serum-Toxin Act of 1912 (29 CFR 1910.1200(b)(5)(iii)). It is expected that most workplace labels will not generally be subject to this exception.
The HCS requires that manufacturers and employers determine and provide appropriate hazard warning language for labels. Based on the hazard information described above, labels for containers of diacetyl must contain hazard warning statements similar to the following in order to meet the intent of the HCS (29 CFR 1910.1200(f)(1)):
Diacetyl
DANGER Can cause damage to respiratory tract and lungs if inhaled
Highly flammable
WARNING Can cause eye, skin, nose, and throat irritation
Responsible party name and contact information
Based on current information, labels for containers of food flavorings containing one percent or more diacetyl must contain hazard warning statements similar to the following in order to meet the intent of the HCS (29 CFR 1910.1200(f)(1)):
FFCD name
DANGER Can cause damage to respiratory tract and lungs if inhaled
WARNING Can cause eye, skin, nose, and throat irritation
Responsible party name and contact information
If we're reasoning correctly, guess what "container of food flavoring" (not e-liquid) would contain more than 1% diacetyl? Yep, it sure looks like FW Butterscotch.
This was already made clear earlier in the thread (for the content in the e-liquid, not the 'food flavoring'):
1797 micrograms/ml = 1.797 mg/ml = 0.1797% = 1,797,000 ppb
So if there's 0.1797% diacetyl in the e-liquid (where the 'food flavoring' was used at 10%), there has to be over 1% in the original 'container of food flavoring'....right?
The recent results TEST RESULTS - TheraVape Stepping to the Plate, reveal 959 ppm (which is 959000 ppb) - so it seems possible (depending upon the percentage used) that the original 'container of food flavoring' might also contain around 1% (???)
A huge thank-you to EVERYBODY that's taking their time to learn, post and help the vaping community have the disclosure needed for every vaper to be able to make an informed choice!
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