I just emailed Hangsen headquarters (China). I thought about emailing the UK addy. I know they claimed diacetyl free but suddenly I cannot find this information on their company profile. I know I tried to contact them via Facebook without luck. Still waiting on a reply.
Acetyl Proprionyl, Diacetyl, Acetoine HELP
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It means a lot to us, as well! We'd like to hope we can 'crack this nut' (so to speak - 'not calling Jake a nut!). NN's nic is pure and tasteless - with full testing that's publicly posted for every batch! To our knoweledge, no nic vendor tests every batch - and if they do, they don't make the test results available publicly. And we'd like to support that financially (as well as fill our freezer over the upcoming months).
But we're none to fond of giving money to vendors without full transparency
So hopefully Jake'll see this and rectify this non-disclosure we're seeing :::hopeful-tired-of-this sigh:::In the meantime :::grinning::: we're already working with different Vanilla absolutes and just got in a C02 extraction of Patchouli, so maybe we'll be able to clone Patchouli Vanilla!
(So far, one of the Vanilla absolutes - from Eden Botanticals) seems to be identical to the stellar Vanilla in NN's Patchouli Vanilla). But we're still having trouble with 'consistency' - we'll post more when we've got something that can be consistently reproduced.It means a lot to us, as well! We'd like to hope we can 'crack this nut' (so to speak - 'not calling Jake a nut!). NN's nic is pure and tasteless - with full testing that's publicly posted for every batch! To our knoweledge, no nic vendor tests every batch - and if they do, they don't make the test results available publicly. And we'd like to support that financially (as well as fill our freezer over the upcoming months).
But we're none to fond of giving money to vendors without full transparency
In the meantime :::grinning::: we're already working with different Vanilla absolutes and just got in a C02 extraction of Patchouli, so maybe we'll be able to clone Patchouli Vanilla!
it would be so much easier if i could just buy juice from you
"NN's nic is pure and tasteless -" Do you think it has less throat hit because of this?
it would be so much easier if i could just buy juice from you
"NN's nic is pure and tasteless -" Do you think it has less throat hit because of this?
We use 2% pure grain alcohol in our Base VG mix, so that adds a bit of TH and makes it hard to know for sure. Compared to WZL, it seems to us that NN's nic has a bit less TH (we're at 10mg nic).
Buy juice from US? It'll be "cold day" that we're desperate enough to enter into a business as fraught with customer service nightmares and the consequences of 'being in a game' wherein the authorities are hell-bent on taking over (and probably making examples of people). But thanks for thinking of us
It'd sho'nuff be interesting to have that kind of power! ::: putting on my headband of flowers & tie-dye t-shirt, picking up my dried patchouli wand and touching people on the head:::
*Poof!* You're porridge!" (or as some would say, *Poof!* Your porridge!" :::eyeroll::
Hahahaha!! Do I need to create a homophone chart?
In all seriousness, thank you for taking the time to ask and get answers: Sdh, 2cool, vangrl, and others. I'm very interested in the answers and appreciate your dedication so someone like me can lazily steal the information. If there is anything proactive I can do, please let me know, and I'll have the dogs help.
Thank you!!!
In all seriousness, thank you for taking the time to ask and get answers: Sdh, 2cool, vangrl, and others. I'm very interested in the answers and appreciate your dedication so someone like me can lazily steal the information. If there is anything proactive I can do, please let me know, and I'll have the dogs help.
Thank you!!!
Au contraire (at least to us)...
1/16th of an ounce of Tobacco Absolute (nicotiana tabacum) at Eden Botanticals (1.875ml) is $10.00 At wingedseed.com, the Tobacco Absolute (nicotiana rustica) is $9.00 for 2ml. NN's is $8 for more than twice that...and we're guessing it's got to be around 75% - 85% pure absolute (or thereabouts).
I have to agree. At 1% it's strong, when mixing with other tobaccos I'm liking .3-.2%.
I don't use MBV, but are they continuing to use FW? If so, are they listing their products as containing the offending chemicals?
'Dunno. But vape-industry-history indicates it'd be the rare manufacturer, vendor or seller of e-liquids that would do didley-squat-for-changing unless they were somehow pressured into doing so. And apparently that 'pressure' would have to add up to far more money than they'd lose by pulling top-selling liquids/flavors and reformulating them to be free of chemicals that are known inhalation risks.
And this lack of concern for humanity and the vaping community's freedom of choice is actually supported by most main stream/large vaping organizations. And if anyone doubts that, there's ample posts and information all over the 'net, not only claiming the risks are minimal, but ridiculing & bashing those that offer legitimate studies & evidence. Because (dontcha-know), "Vaping is safer than smoking no matter what chemicals are in the flavors & juice. Besides (dontcha-also-know), nobody uses diacteyl anymore, they use safe substitutes".
So that's what the newbies learn & know to be true. Newbies spend LOTS of money. So what reason would any company have for going to the trouble & expense to change? It's highly unlikely to increase their sales, and it's SURE to piss off a lot of other companies & organization that have been claiming differently.
That's our story and we're stickin' to it. But we really don't know anything about what MBV is doing.
Since I use Hangsen e liquid I've looked around a little for info concerning their flavors. I read that their flavoring come from a company in France? I suppose that Hangsen exclusively makes/test their concentrates specifically for e-liquid use. I found this...
FAQs from Changning Hangsen Biotechnology Co., Ltd.
1. Is the ingredient diacetyl and diethylene glycol (DEG) used in your liquids?
Answer:
No. There is not diacetyl and diethylene glycol in our liquids Specifically, the concern is with Diacetyl. Diacetyl is sometimes used to add a buttery flavor to foods or e-liquids, but has been proven to cause health problems in some cases.
2. What does Hangsen e liquid contain and what safety standard?
Answer:
Safety Standard :
GMP , HACCP , ISO , KFDA ,SGS MSDS
formular :
1# Propylene Glycol ( Dow Chemical) , Nicotine, flavors
2# Polyethylene glycol (PEG 400) ( Dow Chemical), Nicotine, flavors
3# Vegetable Glycerin( Dow Chemical), Nicotine, flavors
All ingredients meet USP , see our SGS report
Hangsen’s European factory demonstrates a long term commitment to the e-cigarette and e-liquid industry, while offering 100% transparency for business customers concerned with both quality assurance and regulatory change.
According to Gerard Seczkowski, Director of Hangsen EU, “this plant represents the first step in our global manufacturing expansion plan, providing safer and localized products. Hangsen products are authentically made in Europe, with ingredients from France, Italy, Germany and the United Kingdom.” Hangsen has passed ISO9001 and GMP International Quality Assurance. The products have received SGS, TUV, CE, ROHS certificates.
Anyhoo, don't see where any independent test have been done...other than saying their liquids don't contain any harmful ingredients...but then that's what FW claims also
FAQs from Changning Hangsen Biotechnology Co., Ltd.
1. Is the ingredient diacetyl and diethylene glycol (DEG) used in your liquids?
Answer:
No. There is not diacetyl and diethylene glycol in our liquids Specifically, the concern is with Diacetyl. Diacetyl is sometimes used to add a buttery flavor to foods or e-liquids, but has been proven to cause health problems in some cases.
2. What does Hangsen e liquid contain and what safety standard?
Answer:
Safety Standard :
GMP , HACCP , ISO , KFDA ,SGS MSDS
formular :
1# Propylene Glycol ( Dow Chemical) , Nicotine, flavors
2# Polyethylene glycol (PEG 400) ( Dow Chemical), Nicotine, flavors
3# Vegetable Glycerin( Dow Chemical), Nicotine, flavors
All ingredients meet USP , see our SGS report
Hangsen’s European factory demonstrates a long term commitment to the e-cigarette and e-liquid industry, while offering 100% transparency for business customers concerned with both quality assurance and regulatory change.
According to Gerard Seczkowski, Director of Hangsen EU, “this plant represents the first step in our global manufacturing expansion plan, providing safer and localized products. Hangsen products are authentically made in Europe, with ingredients from France, Italy, Germany and the United Kingdom.” Hangsen has passed ISO9001 and GMP International Quality Assurance. The products have received SGS, TUV, CE, ROHS certificates.
Anyhoo, don't see where any independent test have been done...other than saying their liquids don't contain any harmful ingredients...but then that's what FW claims also
My own observations regarding Hangsen's ingredients. I got around 20 Hangsen flavors about 6 months ago. Some most definitely contain diacetyl/substitute. The aroma and flavor is heavy with it in some that I tried: Cheesecake, Peanut Butter, Chocolate Cream, Butterscotch. I too have seen their diacetyl-free claim, but I've never seen any reference to acetoin or acetylpropionyl.
Of the possible major offenders, we have Italian Cream that we've tried (and White Chocolate which we haven't tried). The Italian Cream is saturated with whatever diketone it is (too nauseating for us to vape these days, even if we wanted to).
From here: About Hangsen E-Liquid / Ejuicechina.com | EJuiceChina.com
Diacetyl: Diacetyl is used in many food products to create an artificial creamy, buttery flavour. Diacetyl can be harmful if inhaled. We ensure non of our hangsen e-Liquids contain the flavouring ingredient diacetyl.
Acetoin: Acetoin may react when mixed with other chemicals and may create traces of Diacetyl. Due to this finding, we do not use any flavoring ingredients containing Acetoin. Our hangsen e-Liquids are water soluble and do not contain any oil based flavorings which can be harmful if inhaled.
We have extremely high quality control standards and we select the highest quality food-grade flavouring ingredients, from trusted suppliers to ensure our e-Liquids deliver hangsen flavor and vapor every time.
also conveniently doesn't mention acetoin, which is just a hydrogen away from diacetyl
is frustrating, no?
I do strictly DIY now, and get pretty much all my flavors from TFA, which is very affordable if you get the bulk flavorings... and they are more transparent about things than most others. FA... kinda too expensive for me.
how long can you keep concentrated flavours for? Do you think they would last up to a year?
thx
Also, do the peppermint and spearmint from F.A already have a cooling effect or do you have to add Koolada?
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Also, do the peppermint and spearmint from F.A already have a cooling effect or do you have to add Koolada?
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My year-old flavorings are all still going strong. They're stored in cool/dark.
FA Peppermint is a little cooler than their spearmint, but neither have that breathtaking effect that Koolada adds.
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