After being harrased by the cops

[Txrider]

That is kind of true. If you are on the sidewalk outside of a restaurant I *think* it's still considered their property. If they don't have tables outside of course no one will bother you from smoking/vaping/picking your nose outside in front of the establishment but if they have permits to seat people outside and have the seating out there then believe it or not the restaurants have jurisdiction over what they allow. For analog smokers you have to actually stand several feet from the outside tables according to some laws including in New York City. It is kind of tricky because obviously people who pass by and are not patrons of the restaurant can smoke while they walk by but if you're a patron of the restaurant you need to keep a clear distance. Not a lot of restaurants really adhere to this but I have encountered a few who do though. I was told even though I was outside the seating divider almost standing out by the street to move.

I don't want to get into the debate of ecigs being allowed because the above being said is about the jurisdication that restaurants have over their patrons. Granted the police may have attacked a different subject altogether but they may change their stance and just say that the OP was causing disorderly conduct which is well within their right to do.

I think if people are all out to raise awareness or to try and get away with vaping that they need to be clearer on laws and who has what jurisdiction while your on their premises. It's not only about laws it also about the rights of what the owners of these places have over you regardless if something is well within the law to do. A restaurant can simply ask you to leave if they think you are dressed inappropriately irregardless if you're sitting inside or outside or out of plain view. There is no law on how you should dress though is there? So the ecig applies here too, there is no law banning the use of it but if they want to ask you to leave and you don't listen and still do your thing it's perfectly legal for them to remove you.

Definately varies by city and state law as well.

I routinely smoke outside sonics at the tables around here in Texas, never had a complaint. I'm usually the only one at the tables though.

 

[swoods93631]

Definately varies by city and state law as well.

I routinely smoke outside sonics at the tables around here in Texas, never had a complaint. I'm usually the only one at the tables though.

Ya that would never happen in Cali, most don't know but you cannot even smoke within 25ft of an entrance to a business or your own workplace. I have yet to see anyone enforce that though.

 

[Tye]

If you get called out for E-smoking, and you avoid confrontation like me, when you get hassled about e-smoking just tell whomever is asking that it is a asthma medication dispenser (or something along those lines).. Don't admit its nicotine content, or similarity to smoking... Say its a discrete inhaler.. You cant prove it, but then again neither can anyone else.. I don't want to bring any negative attention to E-cigs, we will have enough of that once this product goes mainstream (like salvia-divanorem and its ... like effects)

 

[Tye]

...in-fact, act offended when someone "draws attention" to "your condition"

 

[bard]

@Tye - I understand your thinking, but it strikes me that you're effectively lying there, which if you get rumbled, won't do anything in the venue in question for the future of vaping. Best bet seems to simply & honestly explain what it is, and if they still ask you to stop, just stop. I've always been honest about what I have, never tried to conceal it, but also, have never tried to be provocative with it. Just a polite & truthful word to the staff seems to do the job (in fact, I've never had that fail on me, but I wouldn't argue with the staff member if it did - it's their right to ask me not to do it in their premises).

 

[bard]

@TXRider - irrespective of any local laws regarding distance from tables, etc, many premises will actually have their boundary outside the walls; i.e. some of the pavement/sidewalk area may well be part of their premises, and as such, they can still make the rules/ask you to move on/etc. in that area. Not a big deal I expect, as you simply move a bit to the side!

 

[OutWest]

One of the hospitals here went totally smoke-free and theyve been known to harass people who are walking down the sidewalk and telling them they need to either put it out or jaywalk across 4 lanes of traffic to use the sidewalk on the other side of the street

 

[Tye]

BARD - What I am doing is lying. What dose it matter either way. The question of whether or not it is legal has been more or less answered. Why do I have to take the time out of my meal/date/movie/ect to discuss the moral and legal guidelines of vaporizing liquid nicotine where conventional smoking is not allowed. Its not my job to teach everyone, Its certainly not anyones job to tell me what to do.. So saying its medicine beiging delived shuts most people up, proving the biased opinion of smoking in the first place... Lying about what it is seems like a better approach that "its a E-cig and I can smoke it here becasue yadda yadda yadda " Im not a child and I do not appriciate being treated as one.. If you dont mind having people tell you what to do and how to live your life, get married. Regardless E-smoking is limited to the establishment that either will or will not allow it in THEIR place of buissness.. If by lying to some jerk-off lets me smoke me E-cig in peace ,then thats what im going to do... PS> I dont get some eliteist kick out of explaining my e-smoking habbit.. If I had it my way people would leave me the fu*k alone. Did I relly deserve condemnation for my comment?

 

[Sar]

... Im not a child and I do not appriciate being treated as one..

Sorry, but we live in a child-proof society. It is no longer about teaching kids about right or wrong, it is about shielding them from wrong. Parents now feel they have the right to insist that all adults make sacrifices if it helps their offspring -- after all, they've been told it takes a village. We are the village. Nobody cares that my grandmother couldn't open her aspirin bottle by herself because the store only sold childproof packaging. And according to the government, if we are able to save even one child from the evils of tobacco, keeping adult smokers away from e-cigs and addicted to analogs is justified. This is really unbelievable...

 

[Angela]

Nobody cares that my grandmother couldn't open her aspirin bottle by herself because the store only sold childproof packaging.

.. just to add a little irony to this; my grandmother had severe arthritis and her arthritis tablets were all in childproof containers (as they all are). One of my jobs as a little kid was to open all of her tablet bottles for her and decant them into other bottles

 

[Sar]

.. just to add a little irony to this; my grandmother had severe arthritis and her arthritis tablets were all in childproof containers (as they all are). One of my jobs as a little kid was to open all of her tablet bottles for her and decant them into other bottles

I am sure you did that under adult supervision, otherwise you would have been eating those tablets like a candy, wouldn't you?

What child could possibly resist the taste of nice arthritis tablet?

 

[RandallFlagg]

If you get called out for E-smoking, and you avoid confrontation like me, when you get hassled about e-smoking just tell whomever is asking that it is a asthma medication dispenser (or something along those lines).. Don't admit its nicotine content, or similarity to smoking... Say its a discrete inhaler.. You cant prove it, but then again neither can anyone else.. I don't want to bring any negative attention to E-cigs, we will have enough of that once this product goes mainstream (like salvia-divanorem and its ... like effects)

Stealing a line from Dr. McCoy from Star Trek 4, tell 'em that you have, "immediate postprandial, upper-abdominal distention."

Cramps.

What're they gonna do?

 

[Angela]

I am sure you did that under adult supervision, otherwise you would have been eating those tablets like a candy, wouldn't you?

What child could possibly resist the taste of nice arthritis tablet?

LOL. Yeah.... sure. (It would seem that I had more common sense as a 5 year old than some adults have today! 8-o)

 

[mamu]

I haven't taken my screwdriver with me when I go out and about. My kids told me it looked like I was smoking something illegal - like I was smoking liquid weed hahaha!

I can see the headlines:

Grandma arrested for smoking liquid weed while watching grandkids at a local playground

 

[Paradiso]

BARD - What I am doing is lying. What dose it matter either way. The question of whether or not it is legal has been more or less answered. Why do I have to take the time out of my meal/date/movie/ect to discuss the moral and legal guidelines of vaporizing liquid nicotine where conventional smoking is not allowed. Its not my job to teach everyone, Its certainly not anyones job to tell me what to do.. So saying its medicine beiging delived shuts most people up, proving the biased opinion of smoking in the first place... Lying about what it is seems like a better approach that "its a E-cig and I can smoke it here becasue yadda yadda yadda " Im not a child and I do not appriciate being treated as one.. If you dont mind having people tell you what to do and how to live your life, get married. Regardless E-smoking is limited to the establishment that either will or will not allow it in THEIR place of buissness.. If by lying to some jerk-off lets me smoke me E-cig in peace ,then thats what im going to do... PS> I dont get some eliteist kick out of explaining my e-smoking habbit.. If I had it my way people would leave me the fu*k alone. Did I relly deserve condemnation for my comment?

Preach on brother. If you're ever in my neck of the woods, I'll buy you a beer or three.

 

[ramblingrose]

Sorry, but we live in a child-proof society. It is no longer about teaching kids about right or wrong, it is about shielding them from wrong.

Somehow many generations managed to survive childhood without the multitude of laws and contraptions our illustrious government has come up with in recent years to protect us. As CSN said, "Teach your children well". Our parents protected us, and taught us to protect ourselves.

With all the government interference, kids now have sex when they've barely hit puberty and find ways to make household items into dangerous drugs. So much for childproof.

Our government will never learn that people are, in most areas, better off with knowledge than with protective bans (umm, like for example e-cigs?).

 

[orlampagal]

I agree that he has to be careful, and I also agree with what the other posters have said regarding the court setting a precedence. Remember, 1 or 2 percent of the smoking population uses e-cigs. That is a very small number and places need education, not confrontation. I handled a similar issue at beef o bradys. I showed the waitress that it produced vapor and showed her all the parts and what they do. She said that it looks like smoke, and said that I must do it outside, which I of course did. While outside with the analog smokers, I showed them my 901 and explained how it worked, and drummed up some business for a few of our sponsoring suppliers.

This is definitely something that more people need education on, but it needs to be a positive education, not a traumatic one. I say for right now we all boycott Sonic and post that we are boycotting sonic on each forum and briefly say why. You can post a link back to the original post. I am going to post my boycott of sonic on my facebook.

Any other ideas?

 

[Tye]

Preach on brother. If you're ever in my neck of the woods, I'll buy you a beer or three.

Only if I can Vape inside! lol Thanks man

 

[theelectricwarrior]

I have to say that if you are on someone else's premises and they don't want you to vape, that's their prerogative and that you should respect that. It's going to take a long time until e smoking is seen (and proved) as something that's safe to do.

(Sorry if someone else has pointed this out, **** I'm just too lazy to read the whole thread)

 

[Sar]

I have to say that if you are on someone else's premises and they don't want you to vape, that's their prerogative and that you should respect that. It's going to take a long time until e smoking is seen (and proved) as something that's safe to do.

(Sorry if someone else has pointed this out, **** I'm just too lazy to read the whole thread)

The reason is often not that someone doesn't want you to be on their premises, but rather they think they have to kick you out. Remember when smoking ban in restaurants and bars started. Most restaurants and bars I knew didn't want that. Many of them would actually prefer to compromise and would have created smoking sections, but that was not enough. They were forced to do a complete ban of smoking. The rest/bar owners will get fines or lose license if they don't enforce the non-smoking ban. I think vapers need to show them that this is not a smoking device.