Aga-T wick length and coil wraps?

[Scott_Simpson]

OK, I have an AGA-T on the way and I'm trying to soak up as much genesis coil knowledge as possible since this will be my first mesh wick atomizer.

One thing I don't understand is why everyone seems to use really thick wire (e.g., 28-30 gauge) and shoot for really low resistance coils (e.g., 1.2-1.6Ω, or even lower) ... why is that? When I wrap coils for my Penelopes I use 33-36 gauge Kanthal A-1 for the R and 30 gauge silver for the NR and I shoot for 2.4-2.8Ω coil ...

 

[Rule62]

You have to experiment. Lots of folks who use mechanical mods like using very low resistance coils. Personally, as a mainly Provari and ZMax user, I like my coils around 2.0-2.2 ohms. using 32awg kanthal.

 

[C Heise]

I haven't tried 28g on stainless but I can see where it would take forever to heat up due to the heat loss. I have used 28g with other wicks in the AGA-T. I seem to burn up enough juice at 1.6 - 1.8 ohms so I can't say as though I see going any lower myself. If your into the really low resistance, I've heard the Vamo will fire anything using stacked 18350's. I can't see why stacking would make a difference in limits but supposedly it does.

 

[dwcraig1]

Here is today's experiments, the one with the longer wick is my first try at totally solid with 500 mesh, both are 2.1 ohms with 28 kanthal also a first for me. To all you guys still struggling I have only been successful just recently. I'm amazed at how well that I can see the imperfections of the wick/coil in the photos much better than with my magnifier lamp. Here they are:

I have checked them in the dark with the caps off at pretty high voltage and amazingly see no red (on Zmax)
Rich,thick,tasty vapor, even with those loose coils

When I get home this morning from work I will pull out the wicks, put the bit back into the coil and pull them tight, they should be working even better after that I hope.

 

[xbassman]

I'm gonna have to recoil mine tomorrow if I get the chance.
My Vamo reads resistance as 1.1 ohms and won't fire. (even with stacked 18350's)
Using a Vivi in the meantime....

Using the resistance readings on the Vamo confirmed what I had thought all along.
Many of my atomizers are all over the place as to their actual resistance.

 

[45root]

Well after reading this thread I decided to recoil my aga t with some 28 g wire. It was working perfectly fine with 32. It works even better now imo. Although I used 9 wraps to get to 1.6 it still tastes better. I am thinking about removing 1 wrap at a time to get down to 1.2 ohms. I am using a vamo so thats my limit.

 

[C Heise]

I'm gonna have to recoil mine tomorrow if I get the chance.
My Vamo reads resistance as 1.1 ohms and won't fire. (even with stacked 18350's)
Using a Vivi in the meantime....

Using the resistance readings on the Vamo confirmed what I had thought all along.
Many of my atomizers are all over the place as to their actual resistance.

I wrapped a 28g coil tonight that read 1.8 then I put juice on it and it went to .9 then jumped to almost 12 ohms. After messing with it for 20 minutes I found out the center post insulator had failed on my DID clone and allowed the post to move when I tightened it down a little more. I'm glad the Vamo has built in short circuit protection.

 

[vapdivrr]

OK, I have an AGA-T on the way and I'm trying to soak up as much genesis coil knowledge as possible since this will be my first mesh wick atomizer.

One thing I don't understand is why everyone seems to use really thick wire (e.g., 28-30 gauge) and shoot for really low resistance coils (e.g., 1.2-1.6Ω, or even lower) ... why is that? When I wrap coils for my Penelopes I use 33-36 gauge Kanthal A-1 for the R and 30 gauge silver for the NR and I shoot for 2.4-2.8Ω coil ...

a penelope is quite different to a genesis atomizer. i had a pen and you just could not get much thicker wire than maybe 32 on it. also if you did manage to get some 28g or 30g around the wick, you wouldnt have much resistance. you need some diameter and lenght to use the lower g wires. and a genny gives you that. with lower resistances you do burn through more juice and batteries, but iom you cannot beat the thickness of the vapor, vapor amount and flavor with lower resistance coils on gennys. until you try a 1.0 ohm coil with 28g wire its hard to explain the difference.

 

[vapdivrr]

I have no issues with taking a primer puff. I normally do on everything...even a Vivi Nova.

But when I have to take 3 or 4, and the topcap is almost getting to hot to even touch...that is too much.
With 32awg....they would heat up quick. A primer puff....then a good vape.
With 28awg....and that many wraps to get a proper ohm on the Vamo... I have to fire it for too long and it just gets really hot.

The only reason I dont get a Provari is I really have come to like the variable wattage, lol

cannot understand why you device is getting that hot. i have 2 dids an aga-t and an ac-9. i always use 28g/ 4/5 wraps to achieve around a 1.0 ohm coil. i usally set to around 3.4ish volts and my devices are never hot, no lie. a couple of times they have heated up i have found two reasons, one is that the wick is to close to the top cap(a little above the top of the top nuts) and the second reason is when you wrap the top coil around the top nuts dont go completely around the nuts, stop about 3/4 the way around. one time i came completely around and i think it was re-heating the coils. i am sure there are other reason why you prefer the 32g to the 28 besides the heat thing ,but that shouldnt happen. but i only do about 4 to 5 wraps so maybe they dont heat up as much as doing 7 or so wraps with the 28g.

 

[gdeal]

cannot understand why you device is getting that hot. i have 2 dids an aga-t and an ac-9. i always use 28g/ 4/5 wraps to achieve around a 1.0 ohm coil. i usally set to around 3.4ish volts and my devices are never hot, no lie. a couple of times they have heated up i have found two reasons, one is that the wick is to close to the top cap(a little above the top of the top nuts) and the second reason is when you wrap the top coil around the top nuts dont go completely around the nuts, stop about 3/4 the way around. one time i came completely around and i think it was re-heating the coils. i am sure there are other reason why you prefer the 32g to the 28 besides the heat thing ,but that shouldnt happen. but i only do about 4 to 5 wraps so maybe they dont heat up as much as doing 7 or so wraps with the 28g.

+1 I am running a 1.0ohm coil from 30g equivalent Kanthal ribbon wire and my device does not get hot. Its instant on and I can chain vape it. The only downside to running lower ohm coils is that it requires more amps thus running your battery down faster. But the vape is sooo much better than 32 b/c of wire surface area.

 

[vapdivrr]

+1 I am running a 1.0ohm coil from 30g equivalent Kanthal ribbon wire and my device does not get hot. Its instant on and I can chain vape it. The only downside to running lower ohm coils is that it requires more amps thus running your battery down faster. But the vape is sooo much better than 32 b/c of wire surface area.

no doubt, ribbon wire? have seen it for sale but never heard of it being used.

 

[gdeal]

no doubt, ribbon wire? have seen it for sale but never heard of it being used.

quickpic of my set up. A bit more effort to get the coil flat.... but



BTW on a provari and no issues with stability or e codes....

 

[vapdivrr]

quickpic of my set up. A bit more effort to get the coil flat.... but



BTW on a provari and no issues with stability or e codes....

sweet, seems like you probably get more surface area touching the wick. do you much prefer the ribbon to reg wire? also i use the provari and works great. i can get to as low as 0.08 with no codes. i hear alot of people saying how tempermental the provari is with low ohms, dont get it. it is actually the ONLY vv mod that can do these coils. to my knowledge there is not another vv mod out there at this time that can handle a coil from 0.08 to 1.1 ohms other than the provari. its nice to have the features of a protected mod that can handle low ohmed coils. if the provari didnt exist i would be using only mechanical mods. i do own some but find most of my gennys on the provari

 

[gdeal]

Yes more surface area. Its subtle but different, I go back and forth with 28g. If I have patience, I will use the ribbon. You need to play with twisting it at the base screw and positive pole nut to make it flat to fit underneath. It also likes to twists in the coil too. Petar K coil method helps, but wire want to turn, so its difficult to get a good/perfect apposition to the wick.

Gotta agree on the provari. I hear all sort of issues with other VV/VW devices here on the forum with lower than 1.2ohm coils. I had a .9 ohm coil going a week or so a go and had no problems either. The only issue I see is that if I push it to >12 watts on the low ohm coils it will error code me. But that is in the spec. Then again I usually stay at a around 10 to 11 watts. Its strange, but that 2-5 second difference in low ohm startup makes a noticeable difference in vape experience.

+1 on the provari low ohm protection. I would rather "error out" than run for a fire extinguisher....

 

[45root]

This is my latest wrap at 1.2 ohms. The taste is great. It takes a second to heat up though. Juice is just bubbling out of the wick. Its started popping instead of steaming. what am I doing wrong. My juice is 50/50 ratio. I am at 9 watts. Do I need a denser wick? It worked great with the 32 gauge but it didnt taste as good as it does now.

 

[45root]

Forgot to add that its 500 mesh. Also vapor production hasnt changed but I used to have to blow out excess condensation inside the cap but now I dont. It does hit harder though.

 

[gdeal]

This is my latest wrap at 1.2 ohms. The taste is great. It takes a second to heat up though. Juice is just bubbling out of the wick.

Do you mean bubbling from the top of the wick or from between the coils?

Its started popping instead of steaming.

Do you mean you are getting a fireworks effect or is it a dry popping?

what am I doing wrong. My juice is 50/50 ratio. I am at 9 watts. Do I need a denser wick? It worked great with the 32 gauge but it didnt taste as good as it does now.

A short video of your set-up showing your problem would probably increase the number of opinions on solving your issue

 

[45root]

A short video of your set-up showing your problem would probably increase the number of opinions on solving your issue

How is this one? I tried to get closer but it was too blurry.

 

[gdeal]

Not sure why you think you have a problem. Looks okay to me. How does it vape?

 

[45root]

Not sure why you think you have a problem. Looks okay to me. How does it vape?

thanks. the taste is great. just as good as dripping to me. sometimes i find myself thinking it tastes purer. i just thought it would be more vapor and it pops. i thought popping was bad.