You need to realize that we are dealing with plenty of ignorant and stupid people as so many reports on ecigs show.
Am I the only Non Smoker
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Maybe if they vaped Popsi or cola (which is real as we all know) and someone mixed up a batch of value meal #1 flavored liquid (which has not happened....yet) maybe we could help those people too.
I know you are right about the possibility of us getting screwed over, what I prefer to think though is that we expand vaping to help people other than just ex-smokers.
I believe there may be the possibility that someone may pick up a pv as opposed to a twinkie and that may be a very good thing.
Think big folks, it may crush you in the long run but without that kind of thinking we will never even have the slight possibility of moving forward.
We live in a world where "What ya see isn't always what you get"...........
It is up to others to educate themselves......or live in ignorance.
I did see what you posted.....and didn't miss a word.
I'm not bashing you either. Good luck with the interview too.......then straight back to "Smiling"!!!
Someone who has never smoked crack COULD appear to be a crackhead if he were homeless, or in baggy, dirty clothes. We need to learn to not see with our eyes.....but see with our conversation. Words explain alot more then appearance.
It is up to others to educate themselves......or live in ignorance.
I did see what you posted.....and didn't miss a word.
I'm not bashing you either. Good luck with the interview too.......then straight back to "Smiling"!!! Someone who has never smoked crack COULD appear to be a crackhead if he were homeless, or in baggy, dirty clothes. We need to learn to not see with our eyes.....but see with our conversation. Words explain alot more then appearance.
I see both of your points but I lean towards personal choice rather than worry about what others will think or what type of conclusion they come to.
Who knows, she may not even vape around others, it may be something she just does at home or when she feels like it. Not being en ex-smoker makes the chance even slimmer that she will use her PV like us ex-smokers do.
Personal choice, personal freedom...without fear of persecution.
Ahh isn't the right to do what you want to do a great thing?
Who knows, she may not even vape around others, it may be something she just does at home or when she feels like it. Not being en ex-smoker makes the chance even slimmer that she will use her PV like us ex-smokers do.
Personal choice, personal freedom...without fear of persecution.
Ahh isn't the right to do what you want to do a great thing?
I think I have said all I can on it. I hope the OP enjoys her vaping experience. I also hope we all learn something about ourselves as we read through this.
Personal choices are just that.......Personal. Others perseptions of what you do should not matter if those people are not willing to open their minds and learn about different things.
Addiction is a serious matter, but it is still YOUR choices that dictate if you become an addict.
The FDA is only about money..........Approving harmful tobacco products is proof of that.
I hope everyone has a great day!!!!!
It's time for my meds and some physical theropy..........damn this ankle!!!!! See everyone afterwhile!!!
420Smiles
Personal choices are just that.......Personal. Others perseptions of what you do should not matter if those people are not willing to open their minds and learn about different things.
Addiction is a serious matter, but it is still YOUR choices that dictate if you become an addict.
The FDA is only about money..........Approving harmful tobacco products is proof of that.
I hope everyone has a great day!!!!!
It's time for my meds and some physical theropy..........damn this ankle!!!!! See everyone afterwhile!!!
420Smiles
Ignorance can be cured with the liberal application of facts. Unfortunately, there's no cure for stupidity.
I get what you're saying. The deal is, non-smokers who start vaping will surely be telling friends that it's not addictive, giving them info on the ingredients used, etc, just like former smokers (and those in transition, like myself) are educating those around us. Some will listen to the facts, and others will prove that they're stupid rather than ignorant. Anyone who is willing to listen to facts will understand the distinction regardless of whether or not the person in question has ever been a smoker.
And as for the stupid people, *shrug* we're kind of stuck with them. But I won't base decisions on what they think, or ask others to do so. And to people like that, and those who *don't* believe in people making their own decisions, their minds will be made up the first time they hear about PVs, regardless of who's doing the vaping.
I have to disagree with one part of this statement. The FDA also cares about Big Pharma's profits. Nicotine Replacement Therapy is big business.
What they don't care about is individual consumers (unless an approved drug is killing so many patients that it starts making them look incompetent.)
I have Ulcerative Colitis and Nicotine has been studied and proven to help with anti-inflammation.
Did you bother to keep reading thru the posts........? If not, here is a snipit of a post made after the one you quoted in your post.
Thank you for the reply JMSDVS, I was just curious. Hope the best for you.
This is pretty much what I would have said.
When I take the hookah crowd and the like into consideration, it really doesn't seem like a big deal to me, even with nic. There are some people who have no problem keeping things recreational, even a lot of people who only smoke when they're drinking. I've known plenty of them who never developed an addiction that way. It is true that it's everyon'es right of freedom of choice, and they should have the opportunity to be responsible for their own actions, if the chance exists to keep things under control.
I just hope these people can keep quiet long enough for the noose to loosen up on the vaping community as a whole. Regardless of whether or not BT cares about our health, they can and will use any tool they can to turn everyone against us. Opponents are already insinuating flavors are marketed for children when in fact virtually everyone has working taste buds in their mouth. There is no shame in their fight, so a weapon like this could appear to have serious merit compared to all the dribble. There's no argument in saying that BT doesn't care enough about our health for non-smoking vapers to be dangerous to our own freedom.
I figure I might as well add my 2 cents here. I smoked 2-3 packs a day for 7-8 years. I laid down analogs about 2 years ago. I occasionally have a craving to pick up an analog and have done so a few times since I've quit. I heard about e cigs and know a few people that started vaping and then quit smoking. I decided to buy my first kit and try the vaping thing. I will only be using 0mg Nic juices. Some of my smoker friends have already told me they want to try it when it arrives. Hopefully they will enjoy it, invest in one for themselves, and cut back or maybe even quit smoking. Who knows. Personally I will now get to enjoy the great taste of menthol again without having to deal with the crap they put in cigs
I figure I might as well add my 2 cents here. I smoked 2-3 packs a day for 7-8 years. I laid down analogs about 2 years ago. I occasionally have a craving to pick up an analog and have done so a few times since I've quit. I heard about e cigs and know a few people that started vaping and then quit smoking. I decided to buy my first kit and try the vaping thing. I will only be using 0mg Nic juices. Some of my smoker friends have already told me they want to try it when it arrives. Hopefully they will enjoy it, invest in one for themselves, and cut back or maybe even quit smoking. Who knows. Personally I will now get to enjoy the great taste of menthol again without having to deal with the crap they put in cigs
Well said Bigfoot1214.................Hope you enjoy your new kit!!!!!
Maybe if everyone vaped their dessert treats instead of eating them we would be a healthier world(0 nic of course). Something to think about.
Hope this makes some sense...
The FDA is going to make this a big issue regardless of what some adult non smokers chose to do. Politicians are going to use this topic to get themselves elected. Legislation may or may not get passed and if passed may or may not get enforced. Some enforcement may be less enthusiastic than others as is the case with 420 and has been for decades.
Those of us that are ex smokers (or on the way to that destination) understand all too well how easy picking up that habit was and how difficult it is to stop.
Enjoy the flavor, I am.
Personally, I'm a little jealous of people that can smoke/drink recreationally. I just don't get it.
I have the same fears but today I didn't smoke. That's why I'm SMILIN.
The FDA is going to make this a big issue regardless of what some adult non smokers chose to do. Politicians are going to use this topic to get themselves elected. Legislation may or may not get passed and if passed may or may not get enforced. Some enforcement may be less enthusiastic than others as is the case with 420 and has been for decades.
Those of us that are ex smokers (or on the way to that destination) understand all too well how easy picking up that habit was and how difficult it is to stop.
Enjoy the flavor, I am.
Personally, I'm a little jealous of people that can smoke/drink recreationally. I just don't get it.
I have the same fears but today I didn't smoke. That's why I'm SMILIN.
That's why I'm SMILIN.
Thanks for telling us............we can't see it because of that mask your wearing........LOL
420 I enjoyed your replies and thoughts....thank you and thank everyone here for welcoming me in and understanding that I am enjoying my pv for the flavors and smoke and personal enjoyment....I know most of yall are supporting each other who were and are analog smokers ....seems everyone here is helping themselves and others.....I know I feel good about making the suggestion that this can be an alternative to analog smokers even though I enjoy it myself for a different reason...
Those are just my opinions.......some will agree, some won't. I'm glad you feel welcomed here, cause you are!! Hope you enjoy your Vapes, and if you ever need something.........just ask.
420Smiles
I'll not preach to ya Scoob..
Just a suggestion that defined the topic I guess, lol. Sorry it went that way as opposed to the congrats and suggestions you might have gotten on the flip flop.
Have fun with it and make sure your soup dealer isnt slipping you .02nic.
Just a suggestion that defined the topic I guess, lol. Sorry it went that way as opposed to the congrats and suggestions you might have gotten on the flip flop.
Have fun with it and make sure your soup dealer isnt slipping you .02nic.
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I just had to say that I loved everyone's posts! So funny.
I experienced a similar response to my first post on the forum when I described myself as a light / occasional smoker.
Original post: Do electronic cigarettes offer the same "experience" as analogue?
Sorry, I can't post a link because I'm a new member.
Initial responses made me feel a little unwelcome and that switching to vaping was the wrong thing to do but then some lovely people made some encouraging and helpful comments.
I experienced a similar response to my first post on the forum when I described myself as a light / occasional smoker.
Original post: Do electronic cigarettes offer the same "experience" as analogue?
Sorry, I can't post a link because I'm a new member.
Initial responses made me feel a little unwelcome and that switching to vaping was the wrong thing to do but then some lovely people made some encouraging and helpful comments.
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