He answered but wasn't necessary from the questions you ask.
So with the new information from Lessifer, what do you think?
edit: I think you may have answered that (posting same time) above but if you care to elaborate more? .....
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He answered but wasn't necessary from the questions you ask.
So with the new information from Lessifer, what do you think?
edit: I think you may have answered that (posting same time) above but if you care to elaborate more? .....
Fair enough ! I haven't come across your posts in the sub-forums i don't frequent, so my impression was biased somewhat
This is the media/regulation/legislation part of the forum. And much of the media has political implications. I point this out as do others (on both sides, btw). I tend to go into it deeper as people ask more questions - esp. 'Charlie Rose - style" questions that many libs try to emulate thinking that it somehow elevates them. If they don't ask more questions, I don't answer.
If someone says "I just started vaping and now they want to ban it! - Why????" I attempt to answer and it almost always goes to the political aspect of regulation since regulation doesn't really solve problems. (there are aspects where I agree it does - mainly dealing with imports - preventing pests, disease, etc.)
I also highly support applying justice to vendors and manufacturers who defraud people in any manner. Regulation is a lame attempt to stop this before it happens - a bit like the 'precrime unit' in Minority Report with the same violation of rights - (because those who support and are regulators, think wrongly, imo, that all businesses would do that if they could - iow, they think businesses would purposely put themselves out of business, which is insane).
Fair enough ! I haven't come across your posts in the sub-forums i don't frequent, so my impression was biased somewhat
If one goes by these forums, then we're all a bit biased.
I "paid my dues" in the new member and general forum. and becoming one of the first 'ask the experts' by request, btw, likely from my posting in those forums.... and then the 'vets forum'. But now I haven't kept up with the latest and greatest sub-ohm high wattage stuff to where I'm not much help anymore 
I still contribute to the itty bitty mod forum on tootle puffing. ;-) And I try to inform myself on the other stuff as well - just not to the degree I did.And to the best of my ability, I try to compartmentalize some subjects from others - I don't hold grudges (one exception that isn't worth mentioning).
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The atomizer isn't what is going to go boom. Building too low and melting the insulator inside the atomizer, that is misusing the atomizer. Building so low that your battery treats it as a dead short, or using an atomizer on a mod that results in a dead short, i.e. spring loaded center pin and direct to battery connection, that is misusing the battery.
One of the best, and arguably most "dangerous," things about vaping is the ability to customize your experience. You can affix nearly any atomizer to nearly any mod, it is up to you to know whether or not you should.
Vendors could help the situation, but by no means is it their responsibility to guarantee that these things do not happen.
No. I Haven't seen a lot of Atomizers that have gone Boom.
And if you consider Building Too Low or Using an Atomizer which doesn't have a protruding 510 Pin with a Hybrid Styled Mech Mod is Misusing the Battery, that's Cool.
Quoting to continue the discussion.
I see two potential "solutions" to this "problem."
1. Allow the industry time to innovate to the point where this is no longer an issue.
2. Remove choice from the equation.
We know which "solution" would suit the non-vaping crowd.
What do you consider creating a hard short on a battery?
No Flaming Please. Just Stating the Obvious.
Number 1 will not happen because of Deeming.
Number 2 will happen because of Deeming.
An Uniformed User, User Error or a Very Bad Design.
Or a Combination of any of the Three.
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Yes, just trying to make it to apparent that this is what some vapers are asking for.
Who are these Vapers? And how are they Asking for Something?
I know this is off topic, but this kind of reminds me of firearms.
Those knowledgeable ect using them for so long, but still ended up being regulated that it's mandatory for firearms to be produced with a saftey switch.
Altho there are those who homemake make zip guns ect. Those people are those asking for problems, legally or physically, if care isn't taken into making yourself knowledgeable about how to avoid issues in the first place.
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Those knowledgeable ect using them for so long, but still ended up being regulated that it's mandatory for firearms to be produced with a saftey switch.
Altho there are those who homemake make zip guns ect. Those people are those asking for problems, legally or physically, if care isn't taken into making yourself knowledgeable about how to avoid issues in the first place.
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I don't like the idea of regulation.
I just wish all vendors would post/provide battery warnings.
Written in very large letters with a skull and crossbones.
And more importantly, not sell products without informing customers of the risks.
My problem is, and always has been, with the idea that the dangers are common sense.
And the idea that all of this is down to user error.
Because it isn't common sense, and therefore it is NOT user error.
I don't like the idea of regulation.
I just wish all vendors would post/provide battery warnings.
Written in very large letters with a skull and crossbones.
And more importantly, not sell products without informing customers of the risks.
My problem is, and always has been, with the idea that the dangers are common sense.
And the idea that all of this is down to user error.
Because it isn't common sense, and therefore it is NOT user error.
Good Post DC2.
So Much so I Edited my post (#153).
As a consumer, it is our obligation to know what your buying, for what reasons, and how to use it correctly.
This day and age, more and more things may be "plug-n-play", but it is still up to you the consumer to know what your handeling.
Whether it's a phone, a new knife, a dog...
This day and age, more and more things may be "plug-n-play", but it is still up to you the consumer to know what your handeling.
Whether it's a phone, a new knife, a dog...
People have been using batteries for decades without fear or knowledge.
Why don't the flashlight people burn up their faces?
Why don't the RC people burn up their faces?
This whole vaping thing is very different from anything else that's come before it.
And it often manifests a problem when right under your face.
Why do so few cell phone people burn up their faces?
Maybe that's the question, and perhaps somewhere in the answer is our solution.
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