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Somebody has something to gain and somebody will lose big when the litigation begins. Be it from personal injury or by false claims of fraudulent advertising.
Any experience with the 3100 mAh purple Efests?
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Somebody has something to gain and somebody will lose big when the litigation begins. Be it from personal injury or by false claims of fraudulent advertising.
http://vape.li/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Declaration-of-Efest-IMR18650-3100mah-battery.pdf
Appears that they are 10a continuous, 20a pulse. I'd say these only have a place in builds above 0.6 ohms or a DNA30 regulated mod.
Appears that they are 10a continuous, 20a pulse. I'd say these only have a place in builds above 0.6 ohms or a DNA30 regulated mod.
When a decision is made to rely on published specs (a huge mistake with any electronics and more so with batteries), one must ALWAYS choose either the original manufacturers specs or preferably the lowest published specs available. Doing otherwise will always be a cause for concern. Relying on those specs to be even near what the electronics will see in daily use is almost always cause for concern as well. Unless you know the product and have proven it can do what you ask of it under the conditions it will be asked to do so without breaking a sweat or affecting performance it's still best to be cautious regardless if your electronics are spec'd as overkill or not.
It's a general unwritten rule such as assuming 20% efficiency or less for every consecutive component.
A typical "disclaimer" notice if I ever saw one. Consider the reputation of the source making the statement. "Efest only sell original and high quality batteries." That's a lie right there, when Dampfakkus reveiled what is under the wrapper of the purple 2100mah 30 amp battery is a Sony VTS4 battery. Same identification code model numbers imprinted on the cell body.
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China doesn't recognize international litigation claims, so good luck with any lawsuit plans. There is no governing body overlooking the battery industry, they are free to make whatever claims in advertising they wish. The only way to force a change from fraudulent advertising is to stop buying their products.
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If official datasheet published by LG isn't considered a proof, what do you call a proof.
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Dude I was in no way arguing that the Efest 35A are not 20a continuous. I realize this. Go back and read my posts again, I was ONLY saying I wanted more proof on the 3100 mAh ones, which I actually went and found.
What proof? This letter from efest?
Edit- Proof from your position is testing the cells...do you need a load bank(or if you're fancy, you have a nice digital setup, and don't have to twist dials to change resistance), or do you have one?
Even throwing it in a mod and doing a load test on it would be better than a letter from a Chinese battery forger..
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It's at least better than some page where some dude basically says he feels they are a certain other battery. Efest admitted that their 35A batteries are 20A continuous in a letter, so them saying they admit they may be 10A continuous, but they feel they can handle 20A and that's why they say that is more trustworthy in my mind.
I see it differently. I see Efest getting caught in a lie and then forced to drag a foot in the dirt and say, "Shucks, we got caught stretching the truth."
If they admit that their battery is 20 amps, then why advertise right on the battery that its 35?
If it wasn't for Dampfukkus, no one would have known the truth about these batteries."I see it differently."
You're not getting 20 Amps out of this battery..maybe 10.. show me tests from two sources to discredit the other test, that's known of...
The purple Efest batteries work well, regardless of who really makes them. They rated the highest on my IQ meter (Input Quality) on the Provari P3 Beta. This precise meter monitors the battery quality. The purple Efest (18350) got a reading of 80 on the IQ meter, which is good. My new AW IMR (18350, Red) gets a reading of 65 at best. These ratings are based on a 1-100 scale.
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"I see it differently."
You're not getting 20 Amps out of this battery..maybe 10.. show me tests from two sources to discredit the other test, that's known of...
I've never seen any test results done on the 3100 mAh Efest. What test are you talking about? There have been allusions to a test, but I have not seen it. You need to realize I am calling for critical thinking and evidence, not attacking your standpoint. I agree with you that the 3100mAh is not capable of continuous 20A discharge and have from the beginning. I simply would like some evidence that supports a claim like the battery is only capable of 4-6 amps continuous. Is that ridiculous? It shouldn't be. And when you say one does not get 20 amps from the battery, that is false. It has never been about whether it can produce 20 amps. It most assuredly can. It's about whether it can continuously discharge 20A safely. Which is assuredly cannot. I am asking for people to start backing their claims up, rather than spouting out claims we see made on the Internet. Just because we think it might be true does not mean we can start informing people of our hypotheses as if they were solid fact.
I see it differently. I see Efest getting caught in a lie and then forced to drag a foot in the dirt and say, "Shucks, we got caught stretching the truth."
If they admit that their battery is 20 amps, then why advertise right on the battery that its 35?
I agree that it is misleading, but nobody seems to see it the same way I do. It's misleading, yes, but not an outright lie. They don't specify continuous or pulse. It just says 20A or 35A on those two batteries. They are taking advantage of the fact that the continuous rating is the industry standard and since they properly list the continuous rating on some Efest batteries, most people are going to assume that the 3100 mAh is 20A continuous and the 2500 mAh is 35A continuous. But they never said that was the continuous rating. They simply list "max discharge" and we assumed it was continuous. So wrong, yes. Dangerous, yes. But an outright lie? No. I am NOT defending Efest I'm offering an alternate view on the matter because I find it interesting.
Not a good excuse for false representation.
"Declaration of Efest IMR18650 3100mah battery
To all Efest customers:
We had heard about the testing report about the purple Efest IMR 18650 3100mAh
battery one week ago. Here we reply some common questions as below:
1. We tested the pulse discharging current of the purple Efest IMR 18650 3100mAh
battery is 20A(its continuous discharging current is 10A, higher capacity limits less
discharging current), so we mark " discharging current" is 20A."
"Declaration of Efest IMR18650 3100mah battery
To all Efest customers:
We had heard about the testing report about the purple Efest IMR 18650 3100mAh
battery one week ago. Here we reply some common questions as below:
1. We tested the pulse discharging current of the purple Efest IMR 18650 3100mAh
battery is 20A(its continuous discharging current is 10A, higher capacity limits less
discharging current), so we mark " discharging current" is 20A."
Ok...so they don't have to clarify pulse or continuous ratings... cool..they are re wrapped for vapers, and vaping is a pulse function, but keep in mind different cells have ranging necessary cool down and operating times with getting into the pulse rating(s).
A chart is good enough for me... show me another chart.
I'm a NETA2 technician, not on salary..just saying..so yeah..
A chart is good enough for me... show me another chart.
I'm a NETA2 technician, not on salary..just saying..so yeah
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Here is a test.
AkkuDB
You can believe Efest specs. I cannot.
That battery isn't even a 10A cont battery.
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I would rather trust this "some Dude" than a Chinese marketing company that consistently overstates the ratings of the batteries they rewrap and sell. If Efest were to choose to publish their test results, that would be different.
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