Apollo Reliant 60W - TC with TCR adjustment, including Stainless Steel support

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f1vefour

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I do, and they work great but no adj tcr and they underheat about 80-90°f in Ti mode.

Is 430ss really almost as high of res as kanthal. If so, I won't be able to use 28g because the evic has 1 ohm max res in tc.

I don't know what the resistance of 28g kanthal is, looked it up in my app...it's 0.018029 ohm/mm

That ugly 7/6 (6 full wraps, 2 halves) of 28g 430 is 0.71 ohms, I believe it's about a 2.5 mm diameter coil.

Consider duals would be half that resistance.

Look at it like this. On a 2.5mm mandrel each wrap is approximately 0.1 ohm.

2.5 mm diameter = 7.85 mm of wire

This seems to equate to about 0.0127 ohm per millimeter. I'm not good at math so I could be off.

I need to measure it but I have no accurate multimeter, all I can say is it is higher than I thought it would be going by any available information I could find.
 
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I don't know what the resistance of 28g kanthal is, looked it up in my app...it's 0.018029 ohm/mm

That ugly 7/6 (6 full wraps, 2 halves) of 28g 430 is 0.71 ohms, I believe it's about a 2.5 mm diameter coil.

Consider duals would be half that resistance.

Look at it like this. On a 2.5mm mandrel each wrap is approximately 0.1 ohm.

2.5 mm diameter = 7.85 mm of wire

This seems to equate to about 0.0127 ohm per millimeter. I'm not good at math so I could be off.

I need to measure it but I have no accurate multimeter, all I can say is it is higher than I thought it would be going by any available information I could find.

28g kanthal would be close to 1.25 ohms with that same build.
 

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I got good results from twisting 30ga 317L, is the 430 much springier than that?

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It's not the tightest twist ever, and they turned brown from the juice I had on 'em, but the cotton went bone white when I vaped 'em dry, go figure.

I just threw the twisted wire through a 3mm kuro coiler, then pulled on the ends until I was satisfied with how little they sprung back.
 

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Twisted 28g 430 grade stainless steel would be REALLY hard to coil I imagine. I will be trying it though since I have strictly vaped twisted 32g kanthal for almost two years..until now.
I've twisted 2x and 3x SS430 so far and it's not hard. The key is wrapping on a rod smaller than what you're shooting for. There will be spring so instead of fighting it, wrap smaller, let it spring and the next size up rod should fit. A .25 mm rod difference is best for non twisted, but for twisted, if you work it a bit, you should be able to jump a full .5 mm size up. Wrap on a 2 mm rod, let it spring and work in a 2.5 mm rod, wrap on a 2.5 mm rod and work in a 3 mm rod, etc.
 

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A .25 mm rod difference is best for non twisted, but for twisted, if you work it a bit, you should be able to jump a full .5 mm size up.
This matches up pretty well with my experience. My non-twisted coils were coming out higher resistance than I expected until I realized my "3mm" wraps were springing out to 3.2mm, at which point steam engine was dead on accurate.

The twisted did spring more than non-twisted, but it wasn't un-manageable.
 
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So the Reliant is really only pulsey when taking light inhales, on a full on lung inhale I can't hear or feel the pulses until the wick is right at dry.

Or maybe it was that my battery was low. I'm far from a TC expert, really quite new with the experience.

I just got nic sick testing with 12mg juice and the build I posted above, ugh. So apparently the device is doing really well in TC mode.
 
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So the Reliant is really only pulsey when taking light inhales, on a full on lung inhale I can't hear or feel the pulses until the wick is right at dry.

Or maybe it was that my battery was low. I'm far from a TC expert, really quite new with the experience.

I just got nic sick testing with 12mg juice and the build I posted above, ugh. So apparently the device is doing really well in TC mode.

What wattage and temp are you running that twisted at 54?
 
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