Are those who claim that vaping is safer than smoking liars?

[robearth]

After I die, I won't care all that much which they choose as my cause of death.

At my age (73) understanding my mortality is a fact of life.

I agree. After my death I don't really care what they put a check mark next to.

 

[Jay-dub]

After I die, I won't care all that much which they choose as my cause of death.

At my age (73) understanding my mortality is a fact of life.

When I'm your age I'm going to do all kinds borderline behavior. If I get caught I can act like I don't know what I'm doing or where I'm at. That's the plan anyway. If there's any trouble I'll just poop myself. Maybe on purpose - maybe not.

 

[rolygate]

TJ - when you die, can you please ensure that you are wearing a nicotine patch and running shoes, and have half of a fat-free healthy snack and a sugar-free soda beside you, please?

That way, your death can be attributed to Public Health - an entirely satisfactory outcome.

 

[AndriaD]

Beat me to it there sir, glanced up as i was typing the same thing and saw your post. I bow to your magnificent timing
Threads like this one are usually made by ANTZ 'tards or some Big Pharma/Big TB sphincter trying to introduce doubt into our communties. I'm over on UKVapers and i've seen the same post under a different username. I'd say just delete this thread and carry on induling in our little habit that we know is better for us than stinkies

EDIT - Also had another skim through the replies, i smell a team of above mentioned ANTZ 'tards/BPBT Sphincters all signing up at once just to agree with each other to try give more credability to their baseless claims. I'd be willing to bet a few quid (a few pounds) that all the IP addresses come from the same block...

Well, it's always nice to know that others can perceive the same things I do, but I should point out.. I'm a ma'am, not a sir. I just thought it needed to be underlined that the OP is either some kind of idiot to even QUESTION the safety of vaping vs. smoking, or that he's indeed on the payroll of some of these idiots trying to scare everyone off e-cigs, because it hurts their precious bottom line. I think all of us here agree... SCREW THEIR BOTTOM LINE!!!

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

the only thing that I have noticed about vaping that is bad for me is the increased appetite... for some reason smoking kept me from being hungry ( I rarely ate breakfast) now Im doing 3 meals a day as compared to my 1.5 a day... unfortunatley Ive put on 12 lbs in the last 5 months... but I dont cough/gag, dont weeze at night when sleeping, dont use an inhaler anymore, dont stink of ciggies, dont dig thru the change jar to find money for the next pack, there are alot of donts that have occured since I started vaping...

You know, I'm experiencing just the opposite -- I don't eat NEARLY as much. Which tells me that a LOT of my eating was because I was jonesing for a smoke but didn't want to go outside, for whatever reason. I just don't seem to have nearly as much appetite, and I know I'm not getting nearly as much nicotine as a was -- but being free to vape at will, here in the house and not having to go lurk on the front porch, eliminates my snacking almost entirely.

Andria

 

[Ryedan]

TJ - when you die, can you please ensure that you are wearing a nicotine patch and running shoes, and have half of a fat-free healthy snack and a sugar-free soda beside you, please?

That way, your death can be attributed to Public Health - an entirely satisfactory outcome.

LOL, that was priceless Roly

 

[SleeZy]

You know, I'm experiencing just the opposite -- I don't eat NEARLY as much. Which tells me that a LOT of my eating was because I was jonesing for a smoke but didn't want to go outside, for whatever reason. I just don't seem to have nearly as much appetite, and I know I'm not getting nearly as much nicotine as a was -- but being free to vape at will, here in the house and not having to go lurk on the front porch, eliminates my snacking almost entirely.

Andria

Exactly this! I don't need to eat candy anymore either. Now i can vape it and my urge for candy is gone with the wind.
I still need something that's awesome with coffee though, as i've not found any good juice that pairs nicely with coffee yet.
I've ordered nougat from colinss mm can't wait!

 

[AndriaD]

Exactly this! I don't need to eat candy anymore either. Now i can vape it and my urge for candy is gone with the wind.
I still need something that's awesome with coffee though, as i've not found any good juice that pairs nicely with coffee yet.
I've ordered nougat from colinss mm can't wait!

I haven't tried many sweet flavors yet; when I first started, any sweet flavor in the vape kinda disgusted me -- shows how brainwashed I was by the bitterness of burning tobacco!! I was able to quit the smokes because a) I found an e-juice that was very close in taste to the cigarettes I smoked, and b) after about 10 days of vaping it regularly (while decreasing my smoking DRASTICALLY) I discovered it was actually LOTS BETTER than the cigarettes I smoked. So I gave 'em up with barely a thought. Now I still vape that close-but-better e-juice, but I'm opening my mind to other flavors. So far I've only tried apple-ish or apple-cinnamon kinds of sweet flavors, but I'm interested in trying others. Are there any sweet flavors that provide a good throat hit? That seems to be the main thing I miss, when I vape the apple-ish or apple/cinnamon kinds of flavors.

Andria

PS: I do still like chocolate, and have a little, now and then -- but now, I don't just KEEP craving it; I have a little and that's enough. A few more months of this kind of eating, and I really can't wait to see my weight!

 

[30+Years]

Cinnimon roll from MBV is pretty good with coffee.

 

[Uma]

There are points on all sides of the issue. I believe that what I have experienced in my journey over the past 14 plus months of vaping versus a 2 and 1/2 pack a day habit for the previous 27 years is that the harm reduction way "outweighs" the "comfort" initially of smoking. One of my relatives spoke to me about one of her siblings who smoked in the 40s and 50s, her comment was that back then, the cigarette was more tobacco and less other chemicals, so while smoking was bad for their health, not nearly as bad as recent "upgrades" to cigarettes. Facing the fact that inserting all the "new" chemicals into what was once thought to be "relaxation" created a whole new class of addicted "customers". All I know if that over the past several months, I no longer crave a "first light up" in the morning, nothing after I eat dinner, or wanting to light one when I am under stress. Health is better, doctor's appointments are more specific on improving health further versus preaching about the dangers of smoking. All aspects are better in regards to outlook on life. I can look at all the ecig studies, and realize that this is very personal, quitting smoking wasn't about statistics, quitting was about getting away from the most addictive part of my life. Sorry for the ramble, just my .02

The most horrible thing about this! The fact that there ARE organic non additives products out there, since 1985, but the public was not allowed to know, because the ANTZ banned all advertisements. Now they want to do the same thing with vapor. All they want is their money, (MSA, state sales tax, TSET, grants), they could care less about people's health.

 

[Uma]

You've been reading too much propaganda. Please give me a reference to published research that shows nicotine is dependence-forming. There is no such thing.

There is no published clinical trial where pure nicotine was administered to never-smokers and a significant percentage became dependent. On the other hand, trials of this type have been conducted, and no subjects showed any sign of dependence (even after high-dose administration for 6 months).

Smoking often causes dependence (on smoking), and it can legitimately be called an addiction as harm can be demonstrated. Smoking often causes dependence on nicotine, which cannot be accurately described as addiction since nicotine consumption has no clinical significance (on average it causes no harm). Addiction to smoking involves inhalation of 9,600 compounds (the latest number identified by Rodgman, Perfetti 2013). There are multiple synergens for nicotine in tobacco smoke; nicotine alone has *never* been demonstrated to cause dependence.

One of the useful features of vaping is that ecigs can be used to reduce nicotine dependence caused by smoking, and more successfully than by any other method (many vapers reduce the nicotine strength consumed, over time). It is unlikely that ecigs will be shown to create nicotine dependence by any statistically-measurable method. That is to say, if 100 non-smokers take up vaping, and use a nicotine-containing refill, then it is unlikely that more than 1 person will become dependent. Or to put it another way, if 1,000 non-smokers take up vaping, it is likely that less than 10 will become dependent, and this number is not reliably identifiable statistically as it is less than 1%.

Bookmarking this post! Thanks Roly!

 

[Myk]

It's just amazing, as well as highly suspect, that an ECF member with a mere 8 posts feels the need to vent their spleen by starting a thread like this. I find it arrogantly disingenuous.

I've been noticing a lot of these new people spouting ANTZ propaganda everywhere lately. OK, people have been brainwashed, but then they get defensive and continue when corrected. The increase I've noticed coincides with the present assault with laws. I may be paranoid but I don't think it's coincidence. Some may not be but some surely are.

 

[SleeZy]

I haven't tried many sweet flavors yet; when I first started, any sweet flavor in the vape kinda disgusted me -- shows how brainwashed I was by the bitterness of burning tobacco!! I was able to quit the smokes because a) I found an e-juice that was very close in taste to the cigarettes I smoked, and b) after about 10 days of vaping it regularly (while decreasing my smoking DRASTICALLY) I discovered it was actually LOTS BETTER than the cigarettes I smoked. So I gave 'em up with barely a thought. Now I still vape that close-but-better e-juice, but I'm opening my mind to other flavors. So far I've only tried apple-ish or apple-cinnamon kinds of sweet flavors, but I'm interested in trying others. Are there any sweet flavors that provide a good throat hit? That seems to be the main thing I miss, when I vape the apple-ish or apple/cinnamon kinds of flavors.

Andria

PS: I do still like chocolate, and have a little, now and then -- but now, I don't just KEEP craving it; I have a little and that's enough. A few more months of this kind of eating, and I really can't wait to see my weight!

I noticed after merely 2 weeks of vaping that i like fruity juices more than tobacco ones.

For a better throat hit order 70pg juices with higher nicotine.
both PG and nicotine adds more TH.
My favorite fruity juice so far is ColinS cherry. It's abit to mild on the TH though. (they only got 18mg i usualy vape 24)
And i've a bunch of yaeliq juices incoming to try even more candy/fruity flavours.
Blueberry / cherry are realy nice to vape.

And yea i eat chocolate aswell usualy with my coffee, it tastes so much better than when i was smoking.

 

[AndriaD]

I've been noticing a lot of these new people spouting ANTZ propaganda everywhere lately. OK, people have been brainwashed, but then they get defensive and continue when corrected. The increase I've noticed coincides with the present assault with laws. I may be paranoid but I don't think it's coincidence. Some may not be but some surely are.

And that just bugs the crap out of me. Sure, anyone can sign up here, but this is a place to come TO LEARN about vaping, not to come and spout all that BS that we all KNOW is BS, just to try and scare people who are EXTREMELY unlikely to be scared off vaping!

Isn't it enough that BT, BP, and the government have virtually unlimited budgets for disinformation? Let's not forget that gov't unlimited budget is actually comprised of OUR MONEY!!! But these idiots have to come to where real vapers are, to attempt to disinform US??? I swear it makes me want to punch something! They publish all that cockamamie DRIVEL in mass media, and mass media is OWNED by the guys with deep pockets, so they don't report the news, they report exactly WHAT THE GUYS WITH DEEP POCKETS WANT THEM TO REPORT! And then to also come HERE, to try and float MORE of that pure BS???

Where is 60 Minutes when you really need them?!?!? The same place the cops are, when you really need THEM??? Chasing down something or someone who's NOT HURTING ANYTHING??? Or stuffing their useless faces at the doughnut shop???

AAAAUGHHHHHH! What I want to know is, how did the REALLY rich, GET really rich, when they're so REALLY STUPID???

Andria

 

[Papajohns]

I can't believe people would even question this. Vapor is exponentially safer than cigarette smoke. AND it is not nearly as addicting. Seriously, if there is a downside to vaping(besides uneducated, ill informed people giving you crap about it), I have not found it.

 

[Amish Ed]

OP, "And to all those who accuse me of this or that, I don't think that accusations are going to bring anything valid to the argumentation, it just proves that you are going into this blindly whithout asking yourselves too many questions."

And calling us liars will? You lost me with your thread title. Based on this statement above, it seems to me you need to examine yourself.

 

[RosaJ]

A year ago Prue Talbott "published" a "paper/study" citing adverse effects of vaping based on our posts in this forum:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ecf-posts-grossly-misrepresents-facts-16.html

ANTZ lurkers are a fact, not saying the OP is one of them, but...

 

[Anjaffm]

A year ago Prue Talbott "published" a "paper/study" citing adverse effects of vaping based on our posts in this forum:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ecf-posts-grossly-misrepresents-facts-16.html

ANTZ lurkers are a fact, not saying the OP is one of them, but...

Yeah, and that .. uhm ... female.. (insert other word of choice ) .. forgot to mention one very important fact.

Namely that most of those oh-so-horrible symptoms are symptoms of smoking cessation.
Many people get those when they quit smoking tobacco cigarettes. No matter whether they quit cold turkey, with patches, gums, whatever - or whether they make the transition to vaping.

See here:
Canadian Lung Association>Protect your lungs>Smoking & tobacco>Quitting
(I would advise to read the symptoms listed. And to take the usual ANTZ blathering with a grain of salt )

Yes, that ... female.. quite conveniently forgot to mention that little fact
It may not have fit into her agenda.

/edit:
And a little note to possible ANTZ lurkers: You know where you can stick your lies, don't you?

 

[RosaJ]

Yeah, and that .. uhm ... female.. (insert other word of choice ) .. forgot to mention one very important fact.

Namely that most of those oh-so-horrible symptoms are symptoms of smoking cessation.
Many people get those when they quit smoking tobacco cigarettes. No matter whether they quit cold turkey, with patches, gums, whatever - or whether they make the transition to vaping.

See here:
Canadian Lung Association>Protect your lungs>Smoking & tobacco>Quitting

Yes, that ... female.. quite conveniently forgot to mention that little fact
It may not have fit into her agenda.

Not only that, but she helped herself to posts here without asking for consent and, I'm sorry, but using forum postings as the "control" is NOT scientific at all. The posts in any forum are just opinions, unless the person posting proves they're a scientist with credentials and they've followed a strict protocol.

Heck, otherwise, we're all armchair scientists!

 

[patkin]

^ +1 and this is the second thread in the last couple of days in different subforums where the header and the OP were about vapers lying. There may be more. Those are just what I noticed by doing "Todays posts." If you can't come up with facts then just resort to character assassination. Yeh, right.... Dirty. "Whatever" is my usual reaction but when its designed to instill fear in new vapers.... I have to draw a line there.