Ares, new MTL RTA designed by Phil Busardo and Dimitirs Agrafiotis

[soulseek]

I'm going to line up with the people wondering how this thing is supposed to work and whether it will be any good at all. I just passed my 4 yr anniversary for vaping and in that time I've been MTL at least 95% of the time. I wasted a lot of money on atties that were claimed to be the new best thing.

First, a great MTL atty has to have everything working together from one end to another. Many makers have arranged for a small air flow, small chimney, reduced chamber, etc. I have yet to find a great atty with just one or two of those parts. I've even had a few that had all the right parts but failed miserably because the vapor was being asked to do things it didn't want to do. I won't bore people by getting into airflow management, velocity, atomization, or keeping the flavor traveling with the air stream - you know, Real Science stuff. But a reduced chimney won't produce a good MTL vape if a lot of things haven't gone right before it gets there.

So in light of all that, the chamber looks huge for MTL. Also, I'm not sure why you would want to raise the deck way off the bottom of the tank. As for emptying the tank, though some have mentioned that wicks will be run all the way to the bottom none of the photos so far show them below the build deck. There are more things that make me wonder, but this is too long already.

EVERY atty that I truly enjoy looks to have lots of thought put into the design - and I'm not talking about marketing thought or whether it looks right on today's mods. A Kabuki is legendary for very good reason. It's the best there is for premade coil mtl vaping, though the Nautilus 2/ .7 coil came amazingly close. For rebuildables, I enjoy (in order) the Narta, Narba, and Narda. I have 6 or 7 mods going all the time and a Hurricane is always in use. A ByKA, Cloud One, Kayfuns, and a Taifun get used from time to time. The items I named are sort of unicorns for a lot of people and I was lucky to get them. But the reason they're unicorns is because they are so much better.

Anyhow, I'd like to see the siren clone (I keed, I keed) join the ranks of the atties MTL vapers rave about. But I'm going to wait and see, and certainly won't be surprised if the vaping market is once again led astray by more sizzle than steak.

You mention being a MTL vaper predominantly yet when you mention rebuildables your favourite ones are Narta, Narba, Narda. Overpriced and definitely not true MTL devices. So any concerns you may have are null and void if these are your MTL devices.
I'm not trying to be negative here it's just that your post is conflicting.
The deck is usually raised in atomisers to allow it to be leak proof without having to install a JFC.

 

[ToolmanTexas]

Erlkonigin - still the best RTA ever IMO.
I've never checked out the Gem.
Looks interesting!
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The Siren V2 must have used it as a 'bling-style-guide'.
And seems the Gem 'borrowed' the Erlkonigins' 2 fill ports,
and has a similar juice-feed.
Fun!

The Gem V1 is almost impossible to find now, even the clone is MIA. IMO it beats out the Erl for flavor and that is saying a lot because love my Erl nanos!

 

[Fozzy71]

 

[Fozzy71]

double post, thanks new servers

 

[GeekyGeezer]

You mention being a MTL vaper predominantly yet when you mention rebuildables your favourite ones are Narta, Narba, Narda. Overpriced and definitely not true MTL devices. So any concerns you may have are null and void if these are your MTL devices.
I'm not trying to be negative here it's just that your post is conflicting.
The deck is usually raised in atomisers to allow it to be leak proof without having to install a JFC.

So you're telling me I don't vape MTL? Seriously? I get great performance from all my Narmods but the airflow is just barely open. Unlike most mods, I don't lose velocity and still get a super dense vape. That level of design isn't found in your mass market stuff. Have you ever tried any of the Narmods or is this just "I hear they won't MTL"?

And there's no way they are overpriced. More expensive than a stolen design with questionable chinese materials? Of course. I also value and admire the creativity and time it takes to do something better than any others. I wasn't aware that MTL meant you had to use a $30 atty.

I have to admit I'm a bit stunned that you think you know my vaping style better than I do. At this point I'm going to chalk up your bad manners to fanboyism.

 

[Carnage9270]

There's times it's just not worth it to respond....damned internetz...

 

[soulseek]

So you're telling me I don't vape MTL? Seriously? I get great performance from all my Narmods but the airflow is just barely open. Unlike most mods, I don't lose velocity and still get a super dense vape. That level of design isn't found in your mass market stuff. Have you ever tried any of the Narmods or is this just "I hear they won't MTL"?

And there's no way they are overpriced. More expensive than a stolen design with questionable chinese materials? Of course. I also value and admire the creativity and time it takes to do something better than any others. I wasn't aware that MTL meant you had to use a $30 atty.

I have to admit I'm a bit stunned that you think you know my vaping style better than I do. At this point I'm going to chalk up your bad manners to fanboyism.

I've been vaping for almost 7 years now and have spent plenty of money on GG mods and Kayfuns. No, good MTL doesn't mean it has to cost 30 dollars, although the fact that the Berserker is and excellent one and at that price is very telling...

I disagree with you because you were quick to criticise the size of the Ares chamber, without having seen one, while calling the NarDA a great MTL atomiser. It's far from it and way too airy for most MTLers and if we're talking about large chamber size then that is definitely the case with the NarDA. Finally the draw on the NarDA is definitely way too airy for a true MTL even if you try and close the holes to the tiniest size. I know quite a few people that taped the one side of the holes to get a satisfying MTL draw, before they ended up selling them.

 

[Katya]

Hmmm.
That picture may be a bit deceiving.
I think the 'liquid barrier to help prevent leaking and seepage ' - ie: 'fins' is what is shown and are blocking the view of the diffuser.
I'm of the notion it will be the 7-hole diffuser.
Look for the 3-hole in Ares V2 -

So I watched P&D's video and you were right! Those are "fins," and the airflow hole is V1 (mini sieve ).

 

[ToolmanTexas]

They lost me a little bit with the "if you like a super tight draw get a Berserker or Siren 2".

I appreciate the honesty but I'll be holding off on this one a bit to see reviews and perhaps a 22mm version with draw to match the tight ones.

 

[Katya]

They lost me a little bit with the "if you like a super tight draw get a Berserker or Siren 2".

I was actually happy to hear that. I don't do super tight anymore. I like moar air nowadays!

 

[ToolmanTexas]

I was actually happy to hear that. I don't do super tight anymore. I like moar air nowadays!

I think they could have put one more hole on that airflow and gotten us both for the outside airflow.

That showerhead under the coil is suspect to me and I like what the Cthulhu Hastur has done here with the optional airflow inserts. That is more configurable IMO and that atty will be in my arsenal before the Ares.

I'm not writing it off just hitting pause.

 

[lil_buddy]

They lost me a little bit with the "if you like a super tight draw get a Berserker or Siren 2".

I appreciate the honesty but I'll be holding off on this one a bit to see reviews and perhaps a 22mm version with draw to match the tight ones.

I missed that. Now I'm concerned

 

[soulseek]

I was actually happy to hear that. I don't do super tight anymore. I like moar air nowadays!

The Berserker and V2 at the smallest setting are very tight MTL draws, which is what I prefer but I find myself bumping up to the larger ones quite often. I believe what they're releasing is closer to the tightest option of the Siren V1.

I think it has more to do with the fact that they're diffuser sees to let more air through than the Berserker for example. I can't say I'm thrilled but it definitely won't stop me from buying it.

Also, there was no mention of size? There were claim of a 2ml (my preference) or a 4ml version.

 

[Vikram]

Both P & D are experienced, dedicated MTL vapers and it's clear they've put thought and effort into this. That, plus Innokin being involved (I think they generally do good work), gives me hope that it will be a good tank. How good is good will perhaps boil down to personal preferences. I could see myself having Sirens 1 and 2, the Cthulhu Hastur and the Ares as my daily use tanks.

 

[Katya]

Also, there was no mention of size? There were claim of a 2ml (my preference) or a 4ml version.

From Innokin website: "It will be available in both 4ml and 2ml TPD compliant versions."

 

[soulseek]

From Innokin website: "It will be available in both 4ml and 2ml TPD compliant versions."

Yes that is where I got my info from as well, however they made no mention of it in their presentation, which is why I'm skeptical. Chinese vaping companies often promise things on their websites that don't materialise.

 

[Vikram]

I reckon they will do it. The EU is a big market and I can't see them ignoring it.

 

[GeekyGeezer]

I thought the vid was pretty good as it explained some of their decisions. At one point, Phil almost got into a late night commercial thing where the person on cam totally mangles a simple task when he went on about the heartbreak of refilling.

But just like 20700 and 21700 batteries, I'm not convinced that new stuff is a better way than the old just because it's new; in this case the decision to go 25mm for the debut.

I guess the only thing now is to wait for reviews from people I trust. But honestly, I have a hunch that because of his many friends and his position among reviewers, any thumbs down or even meh review will simply never get posted. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Katya]

Yes that is where I got my info from as well, however they made no mention of it in their presentation, which is why I'm skeptical.

They talked about it in other videos/presentations, iirc.

Chinese vaping companies often promise things on their websites that don't materialise.

I don't understand. Why would they lie about it?

 

[GeekyGeezer]

I don't understand. Why would they lie about it?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Think of battery ratings, the mods that promised TC but either didn't come close or couldn't do it at all, etc. But I do admit that Innokin has always seemed to be a straight up company.

 

[lil_buddy]

wondering if and when this will be available for pre-order on fasttech...