Completely disagree. On all points. Not sure where you're getting your information from.
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The slight quiet whistle I could live with has turn into slurping, spittering, spattering, condensation at the smallest single hole setting. Yes, I know I can 'blow out' but I haven't had to do that for 4 years. Why now?
Based on comments made on another site concerning the whistle, I took this thing apart. The whistle is not the result of something loose, but the result of large airflow forced through a single whole (first two settings on the Ares). Ever suck air into an air instrument? Does this really need to be explained to 'engineers'? This hurts the multi diffuser concept and points us to inserts that actually change the size of the airflow channel, which in turn could/should reduce condensation.
The slight quiet whistle I could live with has turn into slurping, spittering, spattering, condensation at the smallest single hole setting. Yes, I know I can 'blow out' but I haven't had to do that for 4 years. Why now?
Based on comments made on another site concerning the whistle, I took this thing apart. The whistle is not the result of something loose, but the result of large airflow forced through a single whole (first two settings on the Ares). Ever suck air into an air instrument? Does this really need to be explained to 'engineers'? This hurts the multi diffuser concept and points us to inserts that actually change the size of the airflow channel, which in turn could/should reduce condensation.
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I could not respond properly on my phone. I'm now at my desktop.....
This may be true but then, based on who we've been told this tank was designed for, we'd have to ask why not? Did they try it and it destroyed flavor? Possible.
Is it? That's subjective. $30 and up isn't 'budget' IMO.
Here's where we completely disagree. Where is it stated this is not for MTL vapers?
Where is it stated this is not for experienced MTL vapers or implied to be just for newbies?
It's not. In fact, it's said to be for ALL MTL vapers. That's a wide range, and one that has been proven to be attainable by one tank.
Also, if it's targeted for newbies getting off stinkies, and it is stated that it is one of the reasons for its design, why doesn't the airflow mimic a stinky, or why can't it with an alternate diffuser? The fact of the matter is, it's just another tank that merely claims to be MTL and DL, which has been the problem all along for MTL'ers. The tanks of the past that have done both don't do MTL well. Here we are again.
Now I don't have a problem with the concept. It has its place. I do both, and bought this tank because it is marketed as a tank that can do both. So I'm not a MTL'er complaining about yet another can_do_all tank not really being a true MTL tank. I'm both a MTL/DL vaper complaining that this tank cannot reach the audiences it claims it wants to. It seems as though it cannot, simply because it doesn't have a few extra diffusers, now how nuts is that? Do you not understand that if it did have multiple diffusers, it could possibly fulfill its claim (or can it, did they test it)? That for a few more dollars, which any MTL'er or individual trying to quit stinkies would gladly pay, this tank had the potential to fulfill its claim? Hopefully, someone has taken note and will either produce alternate diffusers or an improved tank with necessary accessories. That is, a true MTL tank that can also do DL or at least just MTL, but even more that that, don't tell me it's for those that are trying to kick the stinkies if the draw is not like a stinky. Simple.
With that said, personally, I'm trying to make a transition away from DL. I want to be MTL only, but I'm not interested in old leaky, hassle to maintain, tech. Give me an easy fill, leak free, hassle free (maintenance), true MTL (like a stinky) tank. Maybe the Ares with multi diffusers or the Hastur with glass secured to the top would have been a start, had they not dropped the ball? With the recent increased interest in MTL, it doesn't appear I'm alone.
Does it have everything ALL MTL vapers need, or is it a hassle for many?
You have seen the reviews and read the thread. Right? Looks like a hassle for the most part.
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My posting seems to have upset you somehow... If I said something that offended you I am sorry.
All I was trying to say was that the Ares was not designed to have different air inserts. That's all. Everything else is personal preference. Do whatever you want, buy whatever you like. Peace out
K.
All I was trying to say was that the Ares was not designed to have different air inserts. That's all. Everything else is personal preference. Do whatever you want, buy whatever you like. Peace out
K.
And $30 is most definitely a budget tank. It may not be within everyone's budget, but budget it be...
Me? No. I've not been damaged in any way. I'm just correcting a false statement concerning who the targeted market is.
I'm sorry.....what is it about the design that eliminates the possibility of other diffusers?
Well, it's $30-40. What exactly then is a non-budget tank? My thinking was, for the most part we have $20-30 (budget) tanks, $30-40 (non-budget) tanks, and $100+ (highend) tanks. The highend tanks are the exception, not the rule, so it's not like we should call anything that's not highend budget. Most will never even consider buying highend so that leaves us with $20-30 (budget) tanks, and $30-40 (non-budget) tanks. Where's Ares? $30-40 (non-budget).
In my book, it's definitely budget. Granted, I seem to prefer high-end gear...so, to me, anything under $75 would be budget.
I wish they were all $30-40.
Then again, I'd consider a $75 Hurricane budget. I'd also consider a $60 wotofo tank highway robbery. Strange.
I wish they were all $30-40.
Then again, I'd consider a $75 Hurricane budget. I'd also consider a $60 wotofo tank highway robbery. Strange.
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Oh compared to Ares RTA ,Zenith is a tank with premade coils ,so it's much easy to change coils
Dang....sorry fellas. I didn't mean to kill the thread. I was just saying the word 'budget' is about as subjective as what makes a good eliquid. Sure didn't mean to offend....
Dang....sorry fellas. I didn't mean to kill the thread. I was just saying the word 'budget' is about as subjective as what makes a good eliquid. Sure didn't mean to offend....
It's ok people are itching to become offended on internet forums
Exactly. Offended? Over vape talk? How sad that would be indeed.
Late to the game, but I bought the Ares and the Digiflavor Siren 2 this week. Both are proving to be possible replacements for my Kayfuns. 24 hours in there's no leaking or dew and the flavor is on par, maybe better than my Kayfun V2's. I certainly like the top fill and I found coiling and wicking really easy on both. First time build was a charm with no issues at all.
Nah, I agree with you. Kayfuns, Skylines, all those $100+ atty's aren't budget. Less than $40 is budget in comparison, and that's what MTL'ers face for the most part. Doesn't mean it's bad. That's part of what Phil and Dimmy were going for, is newbies - they said so, and newbies typically don't spend tons of bucks while learning. And being "budget" doesn't equate to poor quality.Dang....sorry fellas. I didn't mean to kill the thread. I was just saying the word 'budget' is about as subjective as what makes a good eliquid. Sure didn't mean to offend....
In fact, I really do love everything about the Ares, except the quality of vape. Not that it's bad - it's just that I'm stuck on Kayfun Mini V3's dense throat hit. I'm disappointed because I've really enjoyed using the Ares: size, no leaks, easy to fill/build, low profile, smooth, quiet, no condensation issues, looks good, operates smoothly, comfortable drip tip, etc. I'm just not in love with the vape though. I've given it a few weeks, and flavor is good, but throat hit doesn't do it for me...and I go through more juice, which my lungs feel at the end of the day and morning. I just can't get used to it - after months of KM3, I guess it's kind of like changing brands of cigarettes. It makes me feel like I'm going from an unfiltered Camel or Lucky Strike, and trying to get used to a Vantage or True, with their holes in the filter paper. I have to take huge hits to get satisfied. And truth be told, I had the same problem with K5 and Prime.
But that doesn't mean it's a bad atty, by any means - as attested by others in this thread. Maybe if they had a 19-20mm version with a narrow chimney, and gave options to replace the diffuser, it'd get me there. But unfortunately, it's not for me. I guess I'm moving on to the Doggy thread. I've ordered one, and waiting, hoping....and already thinking about trying a Skyline, Siren, or Hussar, just in case. I've never been that kind of guy, but I'm really learning what Shinyitis is, and how contagious it is. Gotta try that next thing, because it might be perfect!
edit: How come after I look at my post, it always looks like I wrote a book, instead of those couple of concise thoughts I had in my head? I think ECF might be defective.
SkyLine, Siren or Hussar huh ?? May I suggest that you go straight to the Coppervape Hussar and get the 1.3mm air pin instead of the other two, it is the tightest and has good flavor (though I only use mine with Unflavored, so take my suggestion maybe with a grain of salt).
Edit; I have the SkyLine and the Siren V1. I see you are another TH guy. It's the bane of my existence concerning vaping. I went and ordered a couple of KF mini V3's, after reading what you posted earlier in this thread I thought that I needed to try one for myself.
Edit; I have the SkyLine and the Siren V1. I see you are another TH guy. It's the bane of my existence concerning vaping. I went and ordered a couple of KF mini V3's, after reading what you posted earlier in this thread I thought that I needed to try one for myself.
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I agree 100%. Budget doesn't have anything to do with quality. It has to do with price. I've seen some budget attys that are far superior to certain pricey unicorns. I still like the Ammit. To me, it's just really good.Nah, I agree with you. Kayfuns, Skylines, all those $100+ atty's aren't budget. Less than $40 is budget in comparison, and that's what MTL'ers face for the most part. Doesn't mean it's bad. That's part of what Phil and Dimmy were going for, is newbies - they said so, and newbies typically don't spend tons of bucks while learning. And being "budget" doesn't equate to poor quality.
In fact, I really do love everything about the Ares, except the quality of vape. Not that it's bad - it's just that I'm stuck on Kayfun Mini V3's dense throat hit. I'm disappointed because I've really enjoyed using the Ares: size, no leaks, easy to fill/build, low profile, smooth, quiet, no condensation issues, looks good, operates smoothly, comfortable drip tip, etc. I'm just not in love with the vape though. I've given it a few weeks, and flavor is good, but throat hit doesn't do it for me...and I go through more juice, which my lungs feel at the end of the day and morning. I just can't get used to it - after months of KM3, I guess it's kind of like changing brands of cigarettes. It makes me feel like I'm going from an unfiltered Camel or Lucky Strike, and trying to get used to a Vantage or True, with their holes in the filter paper. I have to take huge hits to get satisfied. And truth be told, I had the same problem with K5 and Prime.
But that doesn't mean it's a bad atty, by any means - as attested by others in this thread. Maybe if they had a 19-20mm version with a narrow chimney, and gave options to replace the diffuser, it'd get me there. But unfortunately, it's not for me. I guess I'm moving on to the Doggy thread. I've ordered one, and waiting, hoping....and already thinking about trying a Skyline, Siren, or Hussar, just in case. I've never been that kind of guy, but I'm really learning what Shinyitis is, and how contagious it is. Gotta try that next thing, because it might be perfect!
edit: How come after I look at my post, it always looks like I wrote a book, instead of those couple of concise thoughts I had in my head? I think ECF might be defective.
Why svoemesto won't make a kayfun lite with modern day top fill, I'll never know. In my opinion, it's still the bar for mtl.....but too big of a pain to make it worth it. Deck access with a full tank, top fill.....all they'll need is a bigger deposit slip.
I’ve now branched out into some stainless steel wire, and temp control vaping with my Ares’.
I’ve found I really prefer 28g wire. I hate the ramp up time of 26g.
Also, I get better flavor from a 2.5mm ID, rather than a 3mm. I haven’t played with a 2mm much, it’s kind of a pain to wick, I’m gonna try again after vaping a 2.5 for a while.
It’s crazy how you can get 2 WILDLY DIFFERENT vapes just by changing the wire and trying TC. I typically like a cooler Vape, 1.3-1.5 ohms at @11-12w. Trying temp control was insane. WHOA!! That’s what a warm Vape feels like! Not sure if I like it, but was using a .85 ohm SS coil at 350-400 degrees, above 380 wasn’t really pleasant. But the same juice, tastes way different, it’s neat.
I’ve found I really prefer 28g wire. I hate the ramp up time of 26g.
Also, I get better flavor from a 2.5mm ID, rather than a 3mm. I haven’t played with a 2mm much, it’s kind of a pain to wick, I’m gonna try again after vaping a 2.5 for a while.
It’s crazy how you can get 2 WILDLY DIFFERENT vapes just by changing the wire and trying TC. I typically like a cooler Vape, 1.3-1.5 ohms at @11-12w. Trying temp control was insane. WHOA!! That’s what a warm Vape feels like! Not sure if I like it, but was using a .85 ohm SS coil at 350-400 degrees, above 380 wasn’t really pleasant. But the same juice, tastes way different, it’s neat.
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