Arkansas News now going after E-Cigs

[stewdude]

http:// www. thv11. com/news/health/280409/126/Initiative-helping-lower-teen-use-of-e-cigarettes

Initiative helping lower teen use of e-cigarettes | thv11.com

Now it has made it to Arkansas

 

[tommy2bad]

Notice how the latest angle of atack is the 'gateway to other drugs'! It used to be we dont know and then gateway to tobacco. When that didn't work the antz moved on to ecigs lead to [moderated] addiction.
Someone somewhere is sending out memos.

 

[Petrodus]

Suggest breaking the link ... Click

 

[retired1]

As Petrodus suggested, links like that need to be broken. We don't want to provide any Google Fu to sites that don't support the cause.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-science-other-rubbish-posts.html#post5398559

 

[DaveP]

Notice how the latest angle of atack is the 'gateway to other drugs'! It used to be we dont know and then gateway to tobacco. When that didn't work the antz moved on to ecigs lead to .... addiction.
Someone somewhere is sending out memos.

Fox ran a short the other day that addressed the way that ecigs could be used to vaporize illegal drugs. I had to remember the times when laced cigarettes were highlighted as drug delivery devices. Drawing the connection to ways people circumvent intended use is a little more protective than I like to see. Yes, cars can kill with carbon monoxide and there are many items available over the counter that can be used to create harm and mayhem.

It's the human who creates these ingenious alternate uses. If it's illegal, some will find a way to implement it. If you want to make an impact on harm, ban cars and guns. Do we really want to live in a society where all reasonably safe but potentially harmful things are illegal? I think not.

We can twist the story to incriminate that which is benign by emphasizing the effects of over use and abuse.
Suzi Gage: Can drinking too much coffee kill you? | Science | theguardian.com

 

[Bob Chill]

Fox ran a short the other day that addressed the way that ecigs could be used to vaporize illegal drugs.

Then they should focus on getting rid of illegal drugs. That is the problem. Not ecigarettes. If you are going to make any type of argument like the one Fox is using then they must also make the connection that banning ecig hardware will reduce illicit drug use. If you can't prove that then the statement is completely meaningless and without value.

 

[ennagizer]

How are they going to educate people when they're the ones that need the education?
"If you're not careful you will think that e-cigarettes are a healthy alternative to tobacco, cigarettes, to chew and it's not"
"Parents, school officials need to know e-cigarettes are just as dangerous because they are just as addictive"
"You have to wonder how can I kick the habit when there's still an addictive agent there"

 

[ItTechy]

Like I said in another thread, you can't fix stupid!

"We the People" need to get these ...... out of office!

This makes me so frustrated....agrhhhhhh 'nuff said or I'll go on a rant!

 

[ItTechy]

Ok I'll rant if E-cigs are soooo bad, why are they allowed in every military installation?

If they are a gateway drug, what the heck is going to the doctor and taking every Rx under the sun because you can't sleep, then you can't wake up, you have arthritis so you take an anti-inflammatory, because it causes gastric distress now you take the "blue" pill for that, because this all makes you soooo distressed you get a anti-depressant, and because this doesn't work you have to take yet more drugs....

But that is legal because you are under a doctors care.....pure poo!

Look at all the drug companies commercials on TV! Supposedly this was supposed to be outlawed, but guess what, someone gotz lots of money, stupid money, and the drug companies are still doing it , telling us what to ask our doctor for!

My personal physician hates that stuff! He says it takes away his expertise to diagnose and treat!

It's all about money and control!

Yeah right, just like is a gateway drug, people in California have been using medical for years , you don't see them using harsher or hard drugs!

......, simply ............

Next election, vote for someone who will represent you, not someone who you like or vote for them because they look like you....

Makes me so &^%#$!)^ mad!

Yeah if vaping is soooo bad why is it I haven't had bronchitis in almost four years! When I smoked I had it three to four times a year!

 

[Bob Chill]

If nicotine was "so highly addictive and dangerous" then there would be widespread underage abuse of OTC NRTs. But thats not a problem at all. Why is that? A dangerous and highly addictive drug easily available over the counter but nobody's older brother is supplying the high schools?

I'm sure there is "some abuse" going on but I've never heard a story about kids with backpacks full of nic gum walking around while chewing a wad the size of a dinner plate. Why is this? Could it be possible that nicotine in it's pure form isn't that exciting or addicting as it's made out to be? Would the media and Government really mislead the public? Nah, they would never do that would they?

 

[DaveP]

Politicians make decisions based on cost, safety, and law and order, to name a few. Cigarettes are still around because of tax revenue, jobs, and public outcry that would occur if they were banned. Ecigs have yet to have an official tax applied, so there's no loss if they control them now. Maybe regulation and a tax would ensure less political outcry. I don't know.

Just about anything can be a drug delivery device. People will find a way to ingest harmful substances if the reward is satisfying. Ecigs are apparently just a new tech, newly perceived way to do that. I won't name others but there are many we've seen on TV and in the movies.

Nicotine is the assumed enemy the public sees and ecigs are a vehicle to consume it with greater safety. ANTZ would like to stomp on it while it's relatively small and growing. To them, an ecig is a technological extension of their paper tube enemy.

 

[Petrodus]

Like I said in another thread, you can't fix stupid!
"We the People" need to get these ...... out of office!

True ...
However, in the next election most will be complaining about Congress
while voting to re-elect their incumbents.

 

[Uma]

Like I said in another thread, you can't fix stupid!

"We the People" need to get these ...... out of office!

This makes me so frustrated....agrhhhhhh 'nuff said or I'll go on a rant!

+1
i would love to see a full gathering of rights activists ... ECigs, guns, ashtrays, etc. and protest full force for our rights to our rights, no matter what the right, they shouldn't be taken away like gum from kindergarteners.

 

[DetraMental]

It's funny about nicotine being addictive cuz' I noticed I had to break the addiction of looking for an ashtray, looking for a lighter, and I craved the trash that was in cigarettes for months after I stopped. There's more to cigarette addiction than nicotine. Every once in a while when people light up around me it crashes in on me like a tidal wave, but I got my trusty ecig hangin' on my neck like a Rosary to see me through. AMEN!

 

[daleron]

Yep! Ain't it a shame?

 

[ItTechy]

+1
i would love to see a full gathering of rights activists ... ECigs, guns, ashtrays, etc. and protest full force for our rights to our rights, no matter what the right, they shouldn't be taken away like gum from kindergarteners.

I whole heartidly agree!

The government is slowly taking away our rights!

While some will argue, I have never seen a weapon kill anyone, it is always in the hands of an other human, using it against another human, or living thing.

Same with cigarettes, semantical yes, but none the less it's the truth, if you don't smoke 'em they can't kill you!

How philosophical....

I feel better now....

 

[ItTechy]

It's funny about nicotine being addictive cuz' I noticed I had to break the addiction of looking for an ashtray, looking for a lighter, and I craved the trash that was in cigarettes for months after I stopped. There's more to cigarette addiction than nicotine. Every once in a while when people light up around me it crashes in on me like a tidal wave, but I got my trusty ecig hangin' on my neck like a Rosary to see me through. AMEN!

AMEN!

(Kid Rock starts singing) LOL

 

[gayhalo]

We can twist the story to incriminate that which is benign by emphasizing the effects of over use and abuse.
Suzi Gage: Can drinking too much coffee kill you? | Science | theguardian.com

I love that it makes so little sense.... What a waste of money..... Makes some of the ecig rubbish look almost professional.

 

[Ranic85]

Then they should focus on getting rid of illegal drugs. That is the problem. Not ecigarettes. If you are going to make any type of argument like the one Fox is using then they must also make the connection that banning ecig hardware will reduce illicit drug use. If you can't prove that then the statement is completely meaningless and without value.

umm the war on drugs is an utter failure.

 

[Vocalek]

Despite the fact that "ever use" (ever having tried an e-cigarette at any time in the past--even one puff) was 6.8 percent among students in grades 6 through 12, only 2.1% of the youth had used an e-cigarette during the 30 days preceding the survey. As far as we know from that survey, none of them are using e-cigarettes daily, in contrast with the millions of youth who are known to smoke. The CDC did not report the daily use statistics for e-cigarettes, or even whether the e-cigarettes being tried contain nicotine. http://www.prevent.org/data/images/mm6235 ebook article.pdf

How do these statistics compare to recent smoking of conventional cigarettes? According to the report "Results from the 2012 National Survey on Drug Use and Health: Summary of National Finding" published by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), among youths aged 12 to 17, past month cigarette use in 2009 was 9.3 for males and 9.1 for females, and fell to 6.8 percent and 6.3 percent respectively by 2012. Furthermore, the rate of initiation of smoking among youths in the same age group was 6.3 percent for males and 6.2 percent for females in 2009. These rates have gone down each year, to 4.8 percent for females and 4.7 percent for males by 2012. Results from the 2012 NSDUH: Summary of National Findings, SAMHSA, CBHSQ

The steady decline in youth smoking rates and smoking initiation shows that the claim by organizations such as the American Lung Association and Campaign for Tobacco-free Kids that e-cigarette use will cause people who never would have smoked to start smoking is not only unsupported by the evidence, but is patently absurd.