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Here's some interesting information about 'how' Satan operates.


2. In unbelievers

a. He blinds their minds to hinder their understanding of the gospel (2 Cor.4:4).

I think I've witnessed plenty of that on this thread.

b. When the gospel is heard or understood, he tries to hinder its effect (Luke 8:12).

That too.

c. He uses persecution (Rev.2:10) and false religions and/spiritual leaders of other religions (Rev.2:13) to hinder the effect of the gospel.

Need any more 'proof' of whom you serve if you do not serve God?
 

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John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me

Ok, I think I get this part.... Jesus has a monopoly on god. If you want to get to the big guy, the true way to go is through Jesus.

1 John 2:22ff Who is the liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, even he that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that confesseth the Son hath the Father also.

"denieth" - to deny... that takes action and a choice to deny. Many non believes don't deny that Jesus is the Christ. Just because someone may not choose to follow Jesus or believe in the same way, that doesn't mean they deny the existence of Jesus, maybe they just made a different choice or read things differently. That doesn't make them anti-christ. One can accept that you believe in Jesus and that Jesus exists and not deny anything about Jesus or what anyone believes... but they make another choice. Are they the anit-christ?

To deny is to renounce, to disavow, well.. it's...


deny
- 4 dictionary results
de·ny
   /dɪˈnaɪ/ Show Spelled[dih-nahy] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), -nied, -ny·ing.
1.
to state that (something declared or believed to be true) is not true: to deny an accusation.
2.
to refuse to agree or accede to: to deny a petition.
3.
to withhold the possession, use, or enjoyment of: to deny access to secret information.
4.
to withhold something from, or refuse to grant a request of: to deny a beggar.
5.
to refuse to recognize or acknowledge; disown; disavow; repudiate: to deny one's gods.
6.
to withhold (someone) from accessibility to a visitor: The secretary denied his employer to all those without appointments.
7.
Obsolete . to refuse to take or accept.
—Idiom
8.
deny oneself, to refrain from satisfying one's desires or needs; practice self-denial.
.......

How is that an "either / or"?

Have you ever seen Monty Python when king Arthur and his men ride up to the castle and say if the occupants provided food and supplies they could join the search for the holy grail. The guy shouts down from the castle wall "no thanks, we already got one"







Here is just 2 small examples of the Biblical teaching. Now if one has not the Father, who does one have? You say "no one"? That's not one of your options. To deny Christ makes one the/an antichrist or against Christ. If you are against Christ you can fall into only one category. The word default has been used here but it is really not default..it is by choice.

I appreciate you posting these passages. I can see how someone who actively denies Jesus or renounces or disavows Christ could be considered an anti-christ but to make a different choice doesn't make one a satan worshiper. All satan worshipes may be anti-christs but all non believers are not satan worshipers.

Anyway, here's the dictionary definition:

An·ti·christ
   /ˈæntɪˌkraɪst/ Show Spelled[an-ti-krahyst] Show IPA
–noun Theology .
1.
a particular personage or power, variously identified or explained, who is conceived of as appearing in the world as the principal antagonist of Christ.
2.
( sometimes lowercase ) an opponent of Christ; a person or power antagonistic to Christ.
3.
( often lowercase ) a disbeliever in Christ.
4.
( often lowercase ) a false Christ.


Everything indicates that to deny takes an action.

To not be for something doesn't mean you're against it or anti anything.

If there's a race between two politicians and one walks up and says you're either for me or against me for the other candidate.... The guy can believe there's an election, not deny any aspect of it but may choose not to go and vote. They haven't denied anything and they haven't made a choice.
 
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To not be for something doesn't mean you're against it or anti anything.

In biblical terms it most certainly does. It is a matter of believing on Christ and His redemptive work. To say "I believe" of His existence is much different than one who believes in His redemption. To not accept God's unmerited favor is to deny or reject that which God wills for mankind. Being neutral is not part of the equation. Neutral is clearly a stance against accepting God's gift. Does that make one a Satan worshiper? It makes one an alien sinner. Meaning that one stands unjustified in the sight of God. If one stands unjustified in the sight of God, there is no difference between one who is a satan worshiper or one who is neutral. Both are unacceptable in the eyes of the Father.
 

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It seems that some here are offended by Jesus's teachings, and His own words. Will I apologize for that? NOPE! Jesus taught the truth, and he spoke the truth so that all might be saved by believing in Him.

Many won't.........they will argue semantics, theology, what's politically correct, what they think God should do, yada......yada.....yada. This is the same type of mind set that also condemned Jesus. They didn't like His message.

Would it be right for me, or any of us christians here, to lie and say "It's ok, you don't have to follow Jesus. You can do whatever you want, Jesus was a liar, and you're going to heaven anyway." Is that what you want to hear? If so, go to a unitarian universalism church (or whatever it's called), because that's what they will preach over there. They will make you feel all warm and squishy inside, and everything is great.

You won't get that here. We live by the Bible, and we believe the Bible is God's Word and the truth is found inside that book and nowhere else. God is love, Salvation is through Jesus alone, and outside of that there is no love, no light, only darkness and evil. That's the truth. Don't wait till you die to find that out because I personally guarantee that you will regret it, it will be the biggest mistake of your life and there is no going back once your soul is there. Accept this message, and you will receive all of God's blessings in heaven. Reject it, and you will spend eternity in darkness with the one you choose to side with. It's your choice. I'm sure this will also offend you as well. I won't apologize for that either because I"m showing you love and concern by telling you the truth because I don't want you to end up there.

Things that you read here might come across as offensive to you. I'm sure some were offended when Jesus overturned the tables of the money changers in the temple. I'm sure some were shocked and offended by that, and other things He said and did. But never did He water down the truth and lie to people in order to spare their ego or feelings when it came down to teaching the truth. To do so would be a lie, and only satan lies.

Now I'm going to say it again, atheists and others who deny God, do serve satan by default, they stand with him, even tho they don't know it. They are doing his will because his main goal is to get as many souls away from Jesus as he possibly can. If you are doing the will of somebody, you are on their side, working for their team. Sorry, it's true. If you don't like it, feel free to retreat and not read this section again. Or, you can pray to God for understanding and start studying the Bible to see what God wants from you. It's your choice.

And remember, this is a Christian sub-forum, hence the name Christian Vapors. This is not a forum for unbelievers, or for people to argue, flame, insult our beliefs. We welcome others here who want to associate and learn, but we are under no obligation to carry on a conversation with someone who is just here to flame or argue. The OUTSIDE section is fine for that, but not here, this is a peaceful place and we want to keep it that way.

Every question has been answered, in depth, to the best of our ability. Use that information anyway you choose. Reject Jesus, or accept Him, your choice. If you don't like the way we talk, find another christian group that you do like if you are really seeking the truth. But know and fully understand, that you will be held responsible for the choice you make, and it will not be a reflection on any of us here. In the end, you will stand alone. You will have no excuse, you will find no words to explain, there will be no justification as to why you rejected Him. You will be stripped of all appearances, all arguments, you're big words and clever sentences won't matter, debating skills will fall away like a plastic mask that is taken off, ego is destroyed, all false reasoning, it will be exposed, through God, what the plain core truth is, that there is only light and darkness, and there will be no second chances.

Jesus is the only way to eternal life, salvation is through Him alone, everything else is a lie. Only YOU can decide your own fate. I hope you make the right decision for your own sake.
 

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I am not offended by Jesus' teachings. I am offended that you are calling anyone, not just atheists, but anyone who does not worship your god the way your interpretations of your version of your book has it written a satan worshiper! As I stated before, this is a thinly veiled insult, and regardless of where you read it, you should be cautious about throwing such terms around on a public forum. This may be the so called christian vapers forum, but it is visible to everyone on ecf. All I am requesting is that you not use insulting terms, and then try to throw words from your interpretations on it to make it seem that you are justified and sanctified to do so. I do not appreciate it when any person or group uses derogatory terms against or about others. I am not disabled, but I would be offended if someone said that disabled people are a hinderance to society, and he or she said it is okay to make that statement because there is proof. That is just as wrong. Remember when many Christians quoted the bible to substantiate their hate for African Americans and Jewish people? Some out there still do. Like I said before, just because you can, it doesn't mean you should.
 

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Here's some interesting information about 'how' Satan operates.


2. In unbelievers

a. He blinds their minds to hinder their understanding of the gospel (2 Cor.4:4).

I think I've witnessed plenty of that on this thread.

b. When the gospel is heard or understood, he tries to hinder its effect (Luke 8:12).

That too.

c. He uses persecution (Rev.2:10) and false religions and/spiritual leaders of other religions (Rev.2:13) to hinder the effect of the gospel.

Need any more 'proof' of whom you serve if you do not serve God?

What publication are you quoting from?
 

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I am not offended by Jesus' teachings. I am offended that you are calling anyone, not just atheists, but anyone who does not worship your god the way your interpretations of your version of your book has it written a satan worshiper! .

That is what Jesus said. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you take it up with Him. We are only the messengers.
 

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.....................

Would it be right for me, or any of us christians here, to lie and say "It's ok, you don't have to follow Jesus. You can do whatever you want, .... (cut)

Um, Why can't you just end your statement where I did? What about religious freedoms and tolerance? This is America where people are free to have their own beliefs.

I respect your beliefs and am trying to learn.

I'm not sure how to reconcile this with what some muslims believe... that the koran says all must be converted to worship allah or they are infidels which must be made slaves or killed. This is more drastic than what I've seen here but I'm sure anyone could find (or discern) places in the bible to justify killing anti-christs (or incest or anything you wanted to justify if you don't need specifics).

How much of a leap is that? All non-believers are anti-christ and satan worshipers. God wants the world rid of satan and his followers..... right?

"Only YOU can decide your own fate. I hope you make the right decision for your own sake.
"

It's that mexican drug gang bullying tactics. Only the villagers can decide when the gangs ask... they better give the right answer or they'll be seeing their maker soon than they wished..... I don't undertsand why god uses scare tactics instead of love and compassion... well he uses that to but sends you to hell and eternal damnation if you don't do what he says.

To not be for something is not to be against it.

If I don't like Chinese food, that doesn't mean I like Italian food. If I don't like candy, it doesn't mean I love fruit...

Is it a part of religion to believe you're right and everyone else or anyone with different thoughts is a sinner or infidel or satan worshiper?

What happened to live and let live? I bet I could find something to justify that attitude in the bible....
 
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I am not offended by Jesus' teachings. I am offended that you are calling anyone, not just atheists, but anyone who does not worship your god the way your interpretations of your version of your book has it written a satan worshiper! As I stated before, this is a thinly veiled insult, and regardless of where you read it, you should be cautious about throwing such terms around on a public forum. This may be the so called christian vapers forum, but it is visible to everyone on ecf. All I am requesting is that you not use insulting terms, and then try to throw words from your interpretations on it to make it seem that you are justified and sanctified to do so. I do not appreciate it when any person or group uses derogatory terms against or about others. I am not disabled, but I would be offended if someone said that disabled people are a hinderance to society, and he or she said it is okay to make that statement because there is proof. That is just as wrong. Remember when many Christians quoted the bible to substantiate their hate for African Americans and Jewish people? Some out there still do. Like I said before, just because you can, it doesn't mean you should.

This is a Christian forum. If you are offended by the posts here, then do not come here, and do not read the posts. The Outside forum is for differing beliefs and opinions. Not here. I would not go to the atheists forum and request they not express their beliefs, just because I am offended by them. It works both ways.
 
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Jesus himself does not post here, so unless you are he, you are not justified in using slanderous terms against others.

A real Atheist doesn't even believe in Satan, to them it's all imaginary stuff like fairies and unicorns. Your argument here isn't valid anyway, this is a Christian sub-forum. If you want to discuss God, feel free to stay and discuss. If you just want to argue, feel free to leave.
 

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Um, Why can't you just end your statement where I did? What about religious freedoms and tolerance? This is America where people are free to have their own beliefs.

I respect your beliefs and am trying to learn.

I'm not sure how to reconcile this with what some muslims believe... that the koran says all must be converted to worship allah or they are infidels which must be made slaves or killed. This is more drastic than what I've seen here but I'm sure anyone could find (or discern) places in the bible to justify killing anti-christs (or incest or anything you wanted to justify if you don't need specifics).

How much of a leap is that? All non-believers are anti-christ and satan worshipers. God wants the world rid of satan and his followers..... right?

"Only YOU can decide your own fate. I hope you make the right decision for your own sake.
"

It's that mexican drug gang bullying tactics. Only the villagers can decide when the gangs ask... they better give the right answer or they'll be seeing their maker soon than they wished..... I don't undertsand why god uses scare tactics instead of love and compassion... well he uses that to but sends you to hell and eternal damnation if you don't do what he says.

To not be for something is not to be against it.

If I don't like Chinese food, that doesn't mean I like Italian food. If I don't like candy, it doesn't mean I love fruit...

Is it a part of religion to believe you're right and everyone else or anyone with different thoughts is a sinner or infidel or satan worshiper?

What happened to live and let live? I bet I could find something to justify that attitude in the bible....

You have some good questions, I"ll be back later on this afternoon to answer them as best as I can. I have to start fixing lunch for hubby and I right now, he's a hungry man! LOL! . :)
 

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I am not offended by Jesus' teachings. I am offended that you are calling anyone, not just atheists, but anyone who does not worship your god the way your interpretations of your version of your book has it written a satan worshiper! As I stated before, this is a thinly veiled insult, and regardless of where you read it, you should be cautious about throwing such terms around on a public forum. This may be the so called christian vapers forum, but it is visible to everyone on ecf. All I am requesting is that you not use insulting terms, and then try to throw words from your interpretations on it to make it seem that you are justified and sanctified to do so. I do not appreciate it when any person or group uses derogatory terms against or about others. I am not disabled, but I would be offended if someone said that disabled people are a hinderance to society, and he or she said it is okay to make that statement because there is proof. That is just as wrong. Remember when many Christians quoted the bible to substantiate their hate for African Americans and Jewish people? Some out there still do. Like I said before, just because you can, it doesn't mean you should.

So you would lump atheists in with the handicapped, African Americans and Jews? Is one atheist by affliction? Is one atheist by lineage? Is one atheist based on color of skin?

oh no....one is atheist by choice. Big difference.
 

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You have some good questions, I"ll be back later on this afternoon to answer them as best as I can. I have to start fixing lunch for hubby and I right now, he's a hungry man! LOL! . :)

Thanks Lisa... the discussion is thought provoking! Sounds like your hubby is very lucky!

So you would lump atheists in with the handicapped, African Americans and Jews? Is one atheist by affliction? Is one atheist by lineage? Is one atheist based on color of skin?

oh no....one is atheist by choice. Big difference.

huh? No one lumped anyone with anyone else... there was an analogy made trying to show a point about how people who are perceived as "different" are treated.

Did I miss something or is that a confusing response?

Who is an atheist by lineage and who by "affliction"?? What does skin color have to do with religion? "Is one an atheist based on skin color" Are you saying you can identify atheists (i.e. satan worshipers) by skin color? I don't see where you're headed.

Your response doesn't seem relevant to the original post and I don't get the point you were trying to make... or did I miss something? Maybe it's just lost in translation... I'm trying!
 
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It seems that some here are offended by Jesus's teachings, and His own words. Will I apologize for that? NOPE! Jesus taught the truth, and he spoke the truth so that all might be saved by believing in Him.

Many won't.........they will argue semantics, theology, what's politically correct, what they think God should do, yada......yada.....yada. This is the same type of mind set that also condemned Jesus. They didn't like His message.

Would it be right for me, or any of us christians here, to lie and say "It's ok, you don't have to follow Jesus. You can do whatever you want, Jesus was a liar, and you're going to heaven anyway." Is that what you want to hear? If so, go to a unitarian universalism church (or whatever it's called), because that's what they will preach over there. They will make you feel all warm and squishy inside, and everything is great.

You won't get that here. We live by the Bible, and we believe the Bible is God's Word and the truth is found inside that book and nowhere else. God is love, Salvation is through Jesus alone, and outside of that there is no love, no light, only darkness and evil. That's the truth. Don't wait till you die to find that out because I personally guarantee that you will regret it, it will be the biggest mistake of your life and there is no going back once your soul is there. Accept this message, and you will receive all of God's blessings in heaven. Reject it, and you will spend eternity in darkness with the one you choose to side with. It's your choice. I'm sure this will also offend you as well. I won't apologize for that either because I"m showing you love and concern by telling you the truth because I don't want you to end up there.

Things that you read here might come across as offensive to you. I'm sure some were offended when Jesus overturned the tables of the money changers in the temple. I'm sure some were shocked and offended by that, and other things He said and did. But never did He water down the truth and lie to people in order to spare their ego or feelings when it came down to teaching the truth. To do so would be a lie, and only satan lies.

Now I'm going to say it again, atheists and others who deny God, do serve satan by default, they stand with him, even tho they don't know it. They are doing his will because his main goal is to get as many souls away from Jesus as he possibly can. If you are doing the will of somebody, you are on their side, working for their team. Sorry, it's true. If you don't like it, feel free to retreat and not read this section again. Or, you can pray to God for understanding and start studying the Bible to see what God wants from you. It's your choice.

And remember, this is a Christian sub-forum, hence the name Christian Vapors. This is not a forum for unbelievers, or for people to argue, flame, insult our beliefs. We welcome others here who want to associate and learn, but we are under no obligation to carry on a conversation with someone who is just here to flame or argue. The OUTSIDE section is fine for that, but not here, this is a peaceful place and we want to keep it that way.

Every question has been answered, in depth, to the best of our ability. Use that information anyway you choose. Reject Jesus, or accept Him, your choice. If you don't like the way we talk, find another christian group that you do like if you are really seeking the truth. But know and fully understand, that you will be held responsible for the choice you make, and it will not be a reflection on any of us here. In the end, you will stand alone. You will have no excuse, you will find no words to explain, there will be no justification as to why you rejected Him. You will be stripped of all appearances, all arguments, you're big words and clever sentences won't matter, debating skills will fall away like a plastic mask that is taken off, ego is destroyed, all false reasoning, it will be exposed, through God, what the plain core truth is, that there is only light and darkness, and there will be no second chances.

Jesus is the only way to eternal life, salvation is through Him alone, everything else is a lie. Only YOU can decide your own fate. I hope you make the right decision for your own sake.

"Yes Father God, we pray to you in the blessed name of Jesus, that is the name above all other names, that whosover comes, let their eyes be opened, their hardened hearts softened and let them come to you. Instill in them Father the full knowledge of who you are (I AM) ... in Jesus' name we pray, Amen"
 

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Thanks Lisa... the discussion is thought provoking! Sounds like your hubby is very lucky!



huh? No one lumped anyone with anyone else... there was an analogy made trying to show a point about how people who are perceived as "different" are treated.

Did I miss something or is that a confusing response?



Who is an atheist by lineage and who by "affliction"?? What does skin color have to do with religion? "Is one an atheist based on skin color" Are you saying you can identify atheists (i.e. satan worshipers) by skin color? I don't see where you're headed.

Your response doesn't seem relevant to the original post and I don't get the point you were trying to make... or did I miss something? Maybe it's just lost in translation... I'm trying!

Southern Gent was replying to a different post.
 

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What does Jesus say should be done with satan worshipers?

He doesn't specifically say, so we do 'nothing'... we preach the Gospel and people either receive it or they don't. Simple, end of story. We allow them to live their lives as they so choose. We can't 'force' anyone to do anything. We speak the truth and it's up to the hearer to move (or not move) on those truths. Simple.


What happens to them in the bible?

Their 'end' will be the same as their Father's (the Devil) ... they will be cast into the lake of fire and eternal outer darkness and torment. Not a good end. This is why we preach the Gospel, so that no one goes there.


What should we do with them today?

Since we don't always know 'who' they are, we just do what we have been commissioned by Christ to do... preach the Gospel. Those who receive it will never perish but inherit eternal Life
 
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