Athiest Converts After Seeing a Demon on His Shoulder!

[Scottbee]

Do you believe in God? Do you believe that the Bible is God's Word? Do you believe that Jesus was the messiah? Just curious what you believe. Might help to understand where you're coming from.

Don't go tangental Lisa.... there is no need for it and it comes across as an attempt to obfuscate the issue.

You and yours need to clearly understand that many people will take great umbrage to being referred to as a "Satan worshiper". You should damn well know the meaning of the word "worshiper" before you use that term.

 

[Scottbee]

Does this help?

worship [ˈwɜːʃɪp]
vb -ships, -shipping, -shipped US, -ships -shiping, -shiped
1. (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) (tr) to show profound religious devotion and respect to; adore or venerate (God or any person or thing considered divine)
2. (tr) to be devoted to and full of admiration for
3. (intr) to have or express feelings of profound adoration
4. (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) (intr) to attend services for worship
5. (tr) Obsolete to honour
n
1. (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) religious adoration or devotion
2. (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) the formal expression of religious adoration; rites, prayers, etc.
3. admiring love or devotion
4. Archaic dignity or standing
[Old English weorthscipe, from worth1 + -ship]
worshipable adj
worshipper n

Just fine. Nowhere in that list do you find anything that remotely resembles Southern Gent's definition. Not even remotely close.

 

[Southern Gent]

The DEFINITION of the word "worship"??? You don't have a dictionary? You honestly aren't familiar with the true definition of the word? Or is this a double-speak attempt to find a graceful exit?

Almost all of us serve and do other people's will all day, every day. But we sure as heck don't "worship" them. How absurd.

Not knowing the common definition of a pivotal word in ones argument really blows a substantial hole in the bulk of the rhetoric.

Reverence and adoration leads us to serve. Jesus said "if you love me keep my commandments". What does this entail? Love, adoration, reverence...and all the rest including service and doing His will. You will admit to service without knowing whom you serve? Again, if your worship/service is not to option (A) you are lost according to scripture. You can put any definition on that you wish to put. Just because you don't name your "god" or can't name your "god" does not mean that it does not exist. It could be self, humanity, money, sex...list goes on forever. It is just the simple fact that ours has a history and a name. This bothers some people so bad they just can't stand it.

 

[blondeambition3]

Don't go tangental Lisa.... thee is no need for it and it comes across as an attempt to obfuscate the issue.

You and yours need to clearly understand that many people will take great umbrage to being referred to as a "Satan worshiper". You should damn well know the meaning of the word "worshiper" before you use that term.

No one called Atheists Satan 'worshipers' .. It's been repeated ad nauseam that God clearly states there's only TWO sides to this game, His and Satan's. If you don't 'choose' to follow God, you're in Satan's game by default.

I stated this previously in the thread:
You do not have to (with purpose or intent) 'actively' worship Satan to be a child of Satan. To God, Being an Atheist is doing the 'will' of Satan even if you don't acknowledge either one. (God or Satan).

As to the great many people who take umbrage to being referred to as 'Children of Satan' as opposed to Satan Worshipers should be 'grateful' they've been given the message of Christ and the opportunity to receive Him before they die or Christ returns as their eternal salvations depend on it.

If there's one thing I understand about the 'enemy' it's this... his total lack of respect and total disdain of God and everything he loves and represents.

You're not going to get what you're seeking here Scott, because it isn't 'ours' to give you.

 

[Modrod.]

Coming to a Christian forum and looking for justification apart from Jesus Christ is like looking for a wife in a ..... house. It just ain't going to work out.

Wait, what about Pretty Woman?

 

[LisaLisa]

Don't go tangental Lisa.... there is no need for it and it comes across as an attempt to obfuscate the issue.

You and yours need to clearly understand that many people will take great umbrage to being referred to as a "Satan worshiper". You should damn well know the meaning of the word "worshiper" before you use that term.

Didn't realize that asking you what your own religious beliefs are, on a religion sub-forum, was tangental, obfuscate or umbrage.

Does anyone have any tylenol or something??? I feel a headache coming on.

 

[blondeambition3]

Well that appears to be your problem right there! You don't know the definition of the word "worship". Hence the confusion.

Just fine. Nowhere in that list do you find anything that remotely resembles Southern Gent's definition. Not even remotely close.

I wasn't providing Southern Gent's definition.... I was giving 'a' definition as you previously inferred we're confused regarding the definition of worship, so I was just providing hard evidence that we do.

 

[LisaLisa]

Scott, I asked you about your religious beliefs, and you didn't answer. Do you not want to talk about your beliefs? I'm open to dialogue, are you?

If not, and you are only here to point an accusing finger at us, then this section of the forum isn't for you. We are not here to be your personal punching bag. If you want to engage in an honest conversation, that goes both ways, you're welcome here. But if not, then I think it's best if you leave, and save us and yourself, some unnecessary grief.

 

[Scottbee]

No one called Atheists Satan 'worshipers' ..

Not true... not even remotely close to be true. You might want to re-read this thread from the beginning. You may have missed a point or two.

 

[Scottbee]

Reverence and adoration leads us to serve. Jesus said "if you love me keep my commandments". What does this entail? Love, adoration, reverence...and all the rest including service and doing His will. You will admit to service without knowing whom you serve? Again, if your worship/service is not to option (A) you are lost according to scripture. You can put any definition on that you wish to put. Just because you don't name your "god" or can't name your "god" does not mean that it does not exist. It could be self, humanity, money, sex...list goes on forever. It is just the simple fact that ours has a history and a name. This bothers some people so bad they just can't stand it.

You are once again dead wrong. If you don't "love, adore, and revere" item "A", that doesn't imply or demand that you therefore "love, adore, or revere" item "B". In or out of context with your religious beliefs, this makes absolutely no logical sense within any framing.

 

[Scottbee]

Scott, I asked you about your religious beliefs, and you didn't answer. Do you not want to talk about your beliefs? I'm open to dialogue, are you?

If not, and you are only here to point an accusing finger at us, then this section of the forum isn't for you. We are not here to be your personal punching bag. If you want to engage in an honest conversation, that goes both ways, you're welcome here. But if not, then I think it's best if you leave, and save us and yourself, some unnecessary grief.

Many of the folks in this thread, yourself included, have made some pretty strong commentary and have come up with some insulting positions as a function of your faith. I am asking questions that probe those positions in an effort to understand them better and to let you know that many people might consider your interpretation of your faith to be very insulting. This can and should be honest conversation, but your side needs to supply at least half of it.

My personal religious beliefs are simply not germane to this conversation. I have made absolutely no claims, I have not positioned my beliefs against yours and I have not set up anything that resembles a competition.

But I will say with authority and conviction that I'm not a Satan worshiper. And it would not be prudent for anybody on this forum to even remotely imply that I am.

And don't worry, you are not in a position to cause me any grief.

 

[closetsmokr]

I'm just going to bring this post over here - I wrote this under the thread that was about the "Christian Mafia," and it is buried now. But, it applies here in light of Scott's posts:

"Also, a post was made here along the lines of "christians are your friends." That may be true in a broad sense, but I am overly tired of posts that call people satan worshipers and evil and children of satan. If people believe that, they have that right, but enough is enough. Many people resent being linked directly to satan, regardless of their beliefs, unless they are true satanists. How about if that rhetoric on the forums gets cut back, or better yet, eliminated? It would go a long way to supporting what could be more effective outreach instead of a sly way of getting away with insulting your fellow humans. You may think you are justified in your statements and underlying name calling because of your intrpretations, but as someone once said, "just because you can, it doesn't mean you should."

And while you may not have used the exact words "Satan Worshiper" in your own posts on this thread, you did use terms like "Child of Satan." I would assume that a Child of God = God Worshiper, so by inference, you are saying Child of Satan = Satan Worshiper. There is no other way to take that statement.

 

[Scottbee]

So yes, Anything but God through Jesus = worshipping Satan = even if you don't believe. Why? Becasue Satan's "gospel" is to kill, steal and destroy. By not accepting the free gift of salvation from eternal punishment and separation from God, you are siding and agreeing with and helping Satan's cause. I.E. Worshipping Satan. To worship is to give honor to.

Pretty direct and to the point. Not a lot of wiggle room on this one.

 

[Southern Gent]

You are once again dead wrong. If you don't "love, adore, and revere" item "A", that doesn't imply or demand that you therefore "love, adore, or revere" item "B". In or out of context with your religious beliefs, this makes absolutely no logical sense within any framing.

I can't make this any clearer. If you are not serving God...you are serving Satan. Whether you wish to consider, admit or otherwise it is a biblical fact. That is the context of our religious belief. Whether it fits into one's logical sense of framing is none of my concern. If you or anyone else thinks they'll receive a crown of life without bearing a cross, you are dead wrong. Dead wrong, dead to God and dead in your sin. The major interest seems to be the label someone has used or whatever. The real issue ought to be where one's name is written on that final day. Your issue seems to be that some would be offended. There are issues on this website that offend us as well. We don't attend those parties. Whether one is offended, insulted or whatever does not change the word of God. He didn't ask any of us whether we approved His actions. His offer is take it or leave it, the choice is yours.

 

[Scottbee]

Atheists and others that do not worship God might not be knowingly or openly following Satan, but they are by default because there are only 2 forces, Good (Jesus) and Evil (satan). If you don't worship one, then you worship the other by default. That's really the best and only way I can explain it. It's been explained in more depth in this thread, pages back.

Also direct and to the point.

 

[capecodjim]

I can't make this any clearer. If you are not serving God...you are serving Satan. Whether you wish to consider, admit or otherwise it is a biblical fact. That is the context of our religious belief. Whether it fits into one's logical sense of framing is none of my concern. If you or anyone else thinks they'll receive a crown of life without bearing a cross, you are dead wrong. Dead wrong, dead to God and dead in your sin. The major interest seems to be the label someone has used or whatever. The real issue ought to be where one's name is written on that final day. Your issue seems to be that some would be offended. There are issues on this website that offend us as well. We don't attend those parties. Whether one is offended, insulted or whatever does not change the word of God. He didn't ask any of us whether we approved His actions. His offer is take it or leave it, the choice is yours.

Is it the word of god or man's interpretation of the bible we're discussing?

If it's a biblical fact then how come no one can point me to where it says that? Ok, so maybe it's not in one specific place... connect the dots for me... Please don't give broad generalizations or tell me to go read the bible. If you're making these claims surely you can point to the basis of your claims.

So if I walk up to a random person on the street I can ask if they follow Jesus and if they don't then I know automatically that the worship satan even if they don't know it? What if I ask a native in the jungle who never heard of Jesus? The Dalai Lama? Nelson Mandela? A baby that can't talk? All satan worshipers?

I had no idea.

 

[capecodjim]

Quote Originally Posted by LisaLisa View Post
Atheists and others that do not worship God might not be knowingly or openly following Satan, but they are by default because there are only 2 forces, Good (Jesus) and Evil (satan). If you don't worship one, then you worship the other by default. That's really the best and only way I can explain it. It's been explained in more depth in this thread, pages back.

Also direct and to the point.

Ya, That reminds me of the Mexican drug gangs who tell the villagers they're either for them or against them and then ask if they're on their side..... I still don't understand why god has to use strong-arm scare tactics to win people over but satan doesn't. That Adam really must have ticked him off.

 

[Saintscruiser]

What you're saying is that because you are not a Christian, that doesn't automatically make you a satanist......but in our faith, you're either for Jesus or satan. There is nothing in the middle.....black and white only.....no gray.....fini.....end of story. It has been explained and explained. Why don't you go hang out in the atheist vapor room if you are sooooooo offended by this room? Our answer won't change. I don't understand why you're still in here if we've insulted you so badly. I am rather puzzled over that. Did you think you could change our minds? Well the answer to that is: 'Not in this lifetime.'

I wish you no ill and hope you find some sort of peace. For us, there is no peace without Jesus in our lives.

 

[capecodjim]

What you're saying is that because you are not a Christian, that doesn't automatically make you a satanist......but in our faith, you're either for Jesus or satan. There is nothing in the middle.....black and white only.....no gray.....fini.....end of story. It has been explained and explained. Why don't you go hang out in the atheist vapor room if you are sooooooo offended by this room? Our answer won't change. I don't understand why you're still in here if we've insulted you so badly. I am rather puzzled over that. Did you think you could change our minds? Well the answer to that is: 'Not in this lifetime.'

I wish you no ill and hope you find some sort of peace. For us, there is no peace without Jesus in our lives.

I'd never tell an adult how or what to think and I never said I was offended or insulted. I only said I was unaware and requested specific info on how these conclusions were reached so I could look at the same thing and see what conclusion I reached.

All I got was broad generalizations or trite "go read" comments. People posted passages but they had no connection to the discussion.

I appreciate you explaining it as based on faith and not something specific in the bible that can be identified or pinpointed.

 

[Southern Gent]

Is it the word of god or man's interpretation of the bible we're discussing?

If it's a biblical fact then how come no one can point me to where it says that? Ok, so maybe it's not in one specific place... connect the dots for me... Please don't give broad generalizations or tell me to go read the bible. If you're making these claims surely you can point to the basis of your claims.

So if I walk up to a random person on the street I can ask if they follow Jesus and if they don't then I know automatically that the worship satan even if they don't know it? What if I ask a native in the jungle who never heard of Jesus? The Dalai Lama? Nelson Mandela? A baby that can't talk? All satan worshipers?

I had no idea.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me
1 John 2:22ff Who is the liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, even he that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that confesseth the Son hath the Father also.

Here is just 2 small examples of the Biblical teaching. Now if one has not the Father, who does one have? You say "no one"? That's not one of your options. To deny Christ makes one the/an antichrist or against Christ. If you are against Christ you can fall into only one category. The word default has been used here but it is really not default..it is by choice.