Attack of the (Kayfun Mini V3) Clones!

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I received a Tobeco KFM v3 clone today.

My observations so far:

1. Smelled of machine oil. Tried washing it out with a Dawn and hot water soak. Helped a little but I can still sense the oil when pulling on the tank. I think the oil is somewhere in the airflow control area, which leads to the next problem I have.

2. The 5mm “nut” to remove the positive post - which would enable me to wash the airflow control area - is very shallow - too shallow for me to use the cheap driver that I had lying around the house. I won’t bother to explain why that’s so, but the result is that I’ll have to either borrow or buy another 5mm socket if I want to remove that section. Don't think that I want to risk using vice-grip pliers or anything like that.

3. The airflow is more restrictive than I imagined. The air hole under the coil is slightly bigger than 2mm, - maybe 2.1-2.3 mm - but IMO it feels more restrictive than that. (2 mm is the largest metric bit I have.) I won’t know whether this is a deal-breaker until I can adequately clean the oil out of the air-flow section and take the tank for a ride. The draw wide-open is just a shade more open - and I mean barely a shade - than my Mini Protank 2s with an airflow control base (Aerotank mini base?). It’s nowhere near as open as my GS-Air MS tanks, even though the GS coil’s air-flow pin has only about a 1.7 mm hole.

4. There was no manual with the unit, although that is not a problem afaic.

5. Need to watch out for the o-rings on the drip tip. After the hot water soak they were very soft. I had to lubricate them with some VG to get the tip back into the top of the tank, even after all the parts were cool. I think they will tear easily.

6. There was some debris - a very small amount - on one side of the insulator for the positive post. I think - but don’t know - that it was just an unclean cut of the insulator. I was eventually able to get the shreds out with a sewing pin. The debris was the same color as the insulator and could have either been still attached to the insulator or wedged between the insulator and the deck.

7. The tiny air-flow control screw (can’t think of the name of those headless screws right now - senior moment) is a little wobbly and rough, but seems to work well enough. I could not unscrew it completely from the shaft - it got stuck at the bottom entrance of of that shaft and I didn’t want to force it out — especially since I couldn’t turn that 5mm “nut”. (Edit: Grub screw.)

8. The juice holes on the deck are very small. Probably supposed to be 1 mm each. I could fit a 1.05 mm bit into each of the holes on one side of the deck, but couldn’t get the bit into either of the juice feed holes on the other half of the deck. <shrug> 1.05 mm is the smallest bit i have.

9. Spare o-rings and a screwdriver that will fit the air-flow screw are included. A spare glass section is not included, so if I end up liking this thing I will have to buy a few spares.


Please let me know if any of you has any suggestion as to how to get the oil out of the air-flow area without removing the positive post.
 
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Yeah I was thinking that SS can rust, but that it usually DOESN'T after just an overnight soak in lukewarm water. Just made me wonder what grade or kind of true stainless would do that....:cry:
Given the right conditions, even the best grade SS will rust in minutes.

Also, there is absolutely no reason to "soak" an atomizer overnight in any solution. Tap water has minerals that will make 316ss rust.

I received a Tobeco KFM v3 clone today.

My observations so far:

1. Smelled of machine oil. Tried washing it out with a Dawn and hot water soak. Helped a little but I can still sense the oil when pulling on the tank. I think the oil is somewhere in the airflow control area, which leads to the next problem I have.

2. The 5mm “nut” to remove the positive post - which would enable me to wash the airflow control area - is very shallow - too shallow for me to use the cheap driver that I had lying around the house. I won’t bother to explain why that’s so, but the result is that I’ll have to either borrow or buy another 5mm socket if I want to remove that section. Don't think that I want to risk using vice-grip pliers or anything like that.

3. The airflow is more restrictive than I imagined. The air hole under the coil is slightly bigger than 2mm, - maybe 2.1-2.3 mm - but IMO it feels more restrictive than that. (2 mm is the largest metric bit I have.) I won’t know whether this is a deal-breaker until I can adequately clean the oil out of the air-flow section and take the tank for a ride. The draw wide-open is just a shade more open - and I mean barely a shade - than my Mini Protank 2s with an airflow control base (Aerotank mini base?). It’s nowhere near as open as my GS-Air MS tanks, even though the GS coil’s air-flow pin has only about a 1.7 mm hole.

4. There was no manual with the unit, although that is not a problem afaic.

5. Need to watch out for the o-rings on the drip tip. After the hot water soak they were very soft. I had to lubricate them with some VG to get the tip back into the top of the tank, even after all the parts were cool. I think they will tear easily.

6. There was some debris - a very small amount - on one side of the insulator for the positive post. I think - but don’t know - that it was just an unclean cut of the insulator. I was eventually able to get the shreds out with a sewing pin. The debris was the same color as the insulator and could have either been still attached to the insulator or wedged between the insulator and the deck.

7. The tiny air-flow control screw (can’t think of the name of those headless screws right now - senior moment) is a little wobbly and rough, but seems to work well enough. I could not unscrew it completely from the shaft - it got stuck at the bottom entrance of of that shaft and I didn’t want to force it out — especially since I couldn’t turn that 5mm “nut”. (Edit: Grub screw.)

8. The juice holes on the deck are very small. Probably supposed to be 1 mm each. I could fit a 1.05 mm bit into each of the holes on one side of the deck, but couldn’t get the bit into either of the juice feed holes on the other half of the deck. <shrug> 1.05 mm is the smallest bit i have.

9. Spare o-rings and a screwdriver that will fit the air-flow screw are included. A spare glass section is not included, so if I end up liking this thing I will have to buy a few spares.


Please let me know if any of you has any suggestion as to how to get the oil out of the air-flow area without removing the positive post.

1 & 2) I've used needle nosed pliers to loosen it. My hot tap water is pretty hot, almost scalding. Dawn and hot water always cleaned my new atomizers in a few minutes.

3) this isn't a lung hitter.

4) The clones all came with a copy of the authentic manual

5) You should lubricate all the o-rings with vg before putting it back together. I usually twist the drip tip on to minimize the chance of ripping the o-rings.

6) It's just flash, not a big deal. 2 of 4 of my clones had it and was easily cleaned up with a mini utility knife.

7) You want to adjust it so it still sits inside the threads and the 510 pin doesn't touch it. There should be enough room in there.

8) I haven't had a problem with juice flow on mine.
 

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@jumpin' In ... A 12pt 3/16 bit fit mine instead of a 5mm to remove the post. maybe work the afc screw in and out, but I'd try to get it out in case there may be some debris in there.
I did a complete tear down..soaked in hot water and dish soap..them got it drunk in a vodka bath and complete rinse and blew out all ports with air..

It kinda acts like a 3-way assembly and on mine and others with the 510 pin removed the positive block was loose.

And I lube all the o-rings with juice when I put back together..

Maybe someone with more knowledge will chime in..sorry if it doesn't help you..
 

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Well, with limited resources on hand at the time, I figured an overnight soak in water could possibly help me rinse off some sort of residue that was on the new cheap atomizer.... at least thought it worth a shot, being asit was labeled SS and made to be in contact with liquid constantly......? Oh well
 
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Smallest I had was 1/4", but I was finally able to get it loose with the 5 mm. Had to hold it just right.

So I got it cleaned out - stripped that funky air-flow grub screw in the process -- or maybe I screwed it too far in and off the threads. Got it out by putting pressure in the opposite direction with a straightened paper clip. Put in the spare grub-screw.

Thanks for the help. Now to test this thing...
 
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I got my Plus yesterday. I think I was just overly excited in anticipation. Haha.

It does bulge out from the width of my Provari P3 (doesn't bother me though). And it's shorter than the Mini v3 so capacity isn't as high as we would have hoped. Maybe islts their stated 3.5ml? I didn't measure, but felt like closer to 3 to me? I'll have a better idea on this by how long it lasts today.

But after an ultrasonic bath and tightening down the Pos block (I didn't care if it needed it or not - I was tightening), it vapes just fine and the Chamber size is the same as the mini v3 as far as I could tell.

No wobble or anything, and seems to work just fine and machining is just fine as well. There was/is one spot where the metal of the tank piece has almost a little hole of sorts - what's that called - almost like a little gash/bubble mark from the casting or something? But it's covered up when the tank is screwed in anyway. If you're used to the hits from the mini v3, then you know what it hits like. It feeds even when filled to the absolute top (unlike how my KF4 was).

This isn't me trying to ruffle any feathers, but I do hope the SvoëMesto KF5 is better than it? Just in terms of maybe closer to 22/23mm and maybe a tad longer - like close to the length of the Mini v3 with at least 4ml of capacity. (Just my thoughts of course).

I also hope the KM3/KF4 top cap fits in it since I have Steam Tuners top cap/drip tip combos that they do not fit in this Mini Plus because the fill hole is larger.

Again - just my thoughts and initial impressions. :)

In conclusion, if you have a KM3 or more than one like many do - don't feel too left out, as the capacity doesn't "seem" all that much more, performance is exactly the same, and it's still doesn't look perfect on a 22mm atty (but depending on your opinion, you might think it looks better or worse than a KM3).

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Guess it's not that much shorter. Haha. Felt shorter though!

I'm anxious to hear others thoughts on the capacity. I swear it's not that much more than the mini v3. But I want to know if I'm crazy or not. Haha.

It was filled this morning without a single bubble (and this is the second fill so the wick was already saturated and haven't had any leaks or gurgles). And I'm already down to where you see it. We'll see through the day. With a full fill I'm able to just make it home from work with the mini v3 using it exclusively.

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I realized the mini v3 didn't have its juice flow open in the first shots. So here's a shot with 1.5 turns on each. The Plus is just missing that larger void up above where the chamber shrinks down to the chimney. If they were the same height, the capacity could be probably about 1 ml more?

And Haha - "vapes just fine" as in just like the mini v3, which is an excellent vape! I guess I should have said 'it compares just fine in vape quality to the mini v3"

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I think it looks great on that Provari. Perfect!
It does look perfect in those pics - haha. Something about looking at it in my hand makes it look bigger? ::scratches head:: (Not just where it flares out).

But it definitely does look good.



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It does look perfect in those pics - haha. Something about looking at it in my hand makes it look bigger? ::scratches head:: (Not just where it flares out).

But it definitely does look good.



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Please let us know exactly how much liquid it can hold.
 

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That's looks beautiful. Hope it's actually 3mls! How is the machining, threads etc?

The chimney / chamber looks absolutely identical, so no wonder the vape should be exactly the same, is the airflow the same as well?

Machining is not bad. It's almost "too smooth" when opening and closing juice control - haha.

I'm a right MTL, but the design and everything is exactly the same and feels the same after I tightened mine up. I also replaced the screw with the SvoëMesto plastic grub screw myself.

I would almost guarantee it's at least 3ml.
Please let us know exactly how much liquid it can hold.
I don't have anything to measure with, unfortunately. I'm sure by the time I could order something like a syringe, someone else will have the measurement... Haha.

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I realized the mini v3 didn't have its juice flow open in the first shots. So here's a shot with 1.5 turns on each. The Plus is just missing that larger void up above where the chamber shrinks down to the chimney. If they were the same height, the capacity could be probably about 1 ml more?

And Haha - "vapes just fine" as in just like the mini v3, which is an excellent vape! I guess I should have said 'it compares just fine in vape quality to the mini v3"

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This looks really nice. Where did you bought it? Is there a particular version I should be looking for?
 
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