Attack of the (Kayfun v4) Clones!
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I asume you have tryed Japanese or usual Cotton? Works much better for me, and the taste is so much better than With silica or eckowool
Got my Tobeco clone. Quick clean, and works great right out of the box. Even came with a spare spring.
I have tried cotton in my Kayfun Lites but not my KF4's yet. I will try cotton eventually in them but right now my Silica builds from yesterday are tasting great in both.
Anyone try steel mesh for a wick? Have a sheet of #500, thinking of rolling one up in an inverted U shape.
Try it. I want to hear what you think. I have some 400 I'd like to try also. I read somewhere of someone using it with cotton??? Need to look for ideas.
I have 3 authentic KFV4's and 2 tobecos.
to be quite honest,for the most part, i cant tell any difference
the only thing i can find is that on the clones, once in a great while my ohms will go up like .1 but other than that, they kick .... i stretched the spring out a bit on one of them and no issues with that one since.
you can lay them side by side and cant see any difference,and they vape virtually the same.....go figure. i wish id have known the clones would be as good as the authentics before i bought the authentics...LOL
to be quite honest,for the most part, i cant tell any difference
the only thing i can find is that on the clones, once in a great while my ohms will go up like .1 but other than that, they kick .... i stretched the spring out a bit on one of them and no issues with that one since.
you can lay them side by side and cant see any difference,and they vape virtually the same.....go figure. i wish id have known the clones would be as good as the authentics before i bought the authentics...LOL
I tried that but had less feed than with the cotton barbells. I was using a straight rolled 400 mesh wick with Japanese cotton wrapped once on each end and going down into the well. The cotton wicks A++, and supplies the mesh wick. That worked super.
My all mesh wick was kind of sizzly and lacking good flavor. I believe that some burning pockets can easily exist on a micro scale where the mesh and the coil don't make good contact. Small amounts of Acrolein would be easily produced from overheating VG on the uncooled coil wire, bringing us a bad taste (and toxicity). Softer wicks better conform to the coil. But I think that with some experimentation the all mesh method could work fine too.
My mistakes were 1) too narrow a roll of mesh 2) the portion in the well was on its side, I think slitting it or otherwise exposing more surface would make for better fluid entry. It's tricky to have a perfectly tight wrap of wire on mesh without any shorting. Sliding the roll into the coil wears off oxidation. Wrapping the wire onto the roll makes it hard to oxidize the metals. Not sure how to best do this yet. The potential benefit is not having to change out any cotton, just rinse and dry burn.
As to the clones, I think the Chinese machine-shops are quite capable of copying very precisely a purely mechanical weapons or vape piece of such excellent design. We seem to agree that the Tobeco "brand" is a good source. Other than correcting occasional miss-sized o-rings I can't imagine any need for alterations.
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First off let me say hello to all you amazing people! 
I have rebuilt mini Protanks, Aerotanks and nautilus for months and then I decided to get my first RBA a month ago it is a Kayfun lite + V2 (clone) by infinite I have been blown away with it! The quality is amazing everything is smooth and works very well, I was researching on Youtube and come across the kayfun v4 reviews I started to watch them and had to get myself one of these beasts, I just had a baby so I cant afford authentics never really been a have to have authentics person anyway but I do want the best quality for the best price, so I research for the best clones the top company's being Ehpro, Infinite, Hcigar and tobeco but not the best for everything each company makes every device different sometimes a company will make a really good kayfun clone for example and then the same company makes another clone and it is not as good. that information is not for you experienced vapers of course but for the beginners that may read this thread Anyway back to what I was getting to I have read all 270 pages for the past two weeks as I was stuck on getting the Tobeco Kayfun 4 or the Infinite version so on everyone's fantastic helpful information here I decided to get the Tobeco version I did pay £30 for it from a local B&M because I am impatient lol The quality is amazing!!! Buttery smooth threads, smooth Juice control everything is just tip top! It comes in a nice little box ok so it don't have any spares apart from a spring but I can say the quality of this beast makes up for it!!! It had a very faint smell of machine oil but I always wash new things anyway, I stripped it down completely all O rings off everything all 41 parts, I have attached a photo of the way I did it to remember all the parts simple but it definitely helped. I cleaned all the metal parts in boiled kettle water with fairy liquid (dish soap) and the glass, plastic and O rings in warm tap water with fairy liquid for 10 mins moving the parts with a big spoon ensuring everything was getting a good clean I then give everything a good rinse with warm tap water and dried them off with a tea towel, I then checked every hole for any burrs and made sure everything was intact, I then assembled everything back together very easily following the parts poster. I built a twisted 32 gauge kanthal coil on it 3 wraps around a 3mm drill bit I twist 32 gauge instead of using 28 gauge because I like that it fires quicker than the 28 gauge. I got 1.5 Ohms I also like a bigger coil 2.5-3mm in a kayfun as it does wick better I figured that with the kayfun lite + v2. I wicked her up with some organic cotton just ordered some koh gen do (Japanese cotton) as I have heard it is a lot better, anyway I fluffed the cotton right up and cut it to the bottom of the deck I like to prime it onto the deck in place then put the cap on to the deck I find it helps wick it better than stuffing it into cap. Anyway I have vaped this all day on my MVP 2 at 8 watts with some DIY custard and I am just as blown away with it as I was with the kayfun lite + V2 it is wicking perfectly chain vaped it all day and it has kept up just fine with a 50/50 blend. I will also be ordering the infinite version in black from fast tech as that does look pretty nice and I doubt it will be better than the Tobeco as there is nothing to improve but I am sure It will be just as good. I also ordered some 12x1.5mm O rings and some 11x1.5mm O rings just in case I needed them But I don't think I will always good to have some though Thank you everyone here you are great people and vape on vape custard yummm
I have rebuilt mini Protanks, Aerotanks and nautilus for months and then I decided to get my first RBA a month ago it is a Kayfun lite + V2 (clone) by infinite I have been blown away with it! The quality is amazing everything is smooth and works very well, I was researching on Youtube and come across the kayfun v4 reviews I started to watch them and had to get myself one of these beasts, I just had a baby so I cant afford authentics never really been a have to have authentics person anyway but I do want the best quality for the best price, so I research for the best clones the top company's being Ehpro, Infinite, Hcigar and tobeco but not the best for everything each company makes every device different sometimes a company will make a really good kayfun clone for example and then the same company makes another clone and it is not as good. that information is not for you experienced vapers of course but for the beginners that may read this thread Anyway back to what I was getting to I have read all 270 pages for the past two weeks as I was stuck on getting the Tobeco Kayfun 4 or the Infinite version so on everyone's fantastic helpful information here I decided to get the Tobeco version I did pay £30 for it from a local B&M because I am impatient lol The quality is amazing!!! Buttery smooth threads, smooth Juice control everything is just tip top! It comes in a nice little box ok so it don't have any spares apart from a spring but I can say the quality of this beast makes up for it!!! It had a very faint smell of machine oil but I always wash new things anyway, I stripped it down completely all O rings off everything all 41 parts, I have attached a photo of the way I did it to remember all the parts simple but it definitely helped. I cleaned all the metal parts in boiled kettle water with fairy liquid (dish soap) and the glass, plastic and O rings in warm tap water with fairy liquid for 10 mins moving the parts with a big spoon ensuring everything was getting a good clean I then give everything a good rinse with warm tap water and dried them off with a tea towel, I then checked every hole for any burrs and made sure everything was intact, I then assembled everything back together very easily following the parts poster. I built a twisted 32 gauge kanthal coil on it 3 wraps around a 3mm drill bit I twist 32 gauge instead of using 28 gauge because I like that it fires quicker than the 28 gauge. I got 1.5 Ohms I also like a bigger coil 2.5-3mm in a kayfun as it does wick better I figured that with the kayfun lite + v2. I wicked her up with some organic cotton just ordered some koh gen do (Japanese cotton) as I have heard it is a lot better, anyway I fluffed the cotton right up and cut it to the bottom of the deck I like to prime it onto the deck in place then put the cap on to the deck I find it helps wick it better than stuffing it into cap. Anyway I have vaped this all day on my MVP 2 at 8 watts with some DIY custard and I am just as blown away with it as I was with the kayfun lite + V2 it is wicking perfectly chain vaped it all day and it has kept up just fine with a 50/50 blend. I will also be ordering the infinite version in black from fast tech as that does look pretty nice and I doubt it will be better than the Tobeco as there is nothing to improve but I am sure It will be just as good. I also ordered some 12x1.5mm O rings and some 11x1.5mm O rings just in case I needed them But I don't think I will always good to have some though Thank you everyone here you are great people and vape on vape custard yummm 
@bowe3brappp welcome, mate! So glad to hear another song of success.
Can't help mixed feelings. So glad to have such a brilliantly designed piece so cheaply. So sorry it's the pirates making the money.
I wish some of the "authentics" would find a producer like Tobeco to source from the very outset, and set their pieces appropriately. If they managed this, like Eleaf, who are apparently making good money selling their Lemos around $40, wouldn't they make more money than selling a handful at $200?
I won't pay $200 for an atomizer, but I would gladly pay $40 for a KF V4 original knowing it goes to the designers, instead of $22 shipped (e-bay) for a pirate clone. I guess organizing one's own exclusive production in China, the international contacts and negotiations, preventing getting ripped off, is a lot of effort, so maybe it's the best they can do, to sell a few hundred handmade gems at $200, and then watch the clone market essplode ... I just ordered 3 more, a black one for me, one for my son, and one for a friend. Best atomizer I've run into so far.
Can't help mixed feelings. So glad to have such a brilliantly designed piece so cheaply. So sorry it's the pirates making the money.
I wish some of the "authentics" would find a producer like Tobeco to source from the very outset, and set their pieces appropriately. If they managed this, like Eleaf, who are apparently making good money selling their Lemos around $40, wouldn't they make more money than selling a handful at $200?
I won't pay $200 for an atomizer, but I would gladly pay $40 for a KF V4 original knowing it goes to the designers, instead of $22 shipped (e-bay) for a pirate clone. I guess organizing one's own exclusive production in China, the international contacts and negotiations, preventing getting ripped off, is a lot of effort, so maybe it's the best they can do, to sell a few hundred handmade gems at $200, and then watch the clone market essplode ... I just ordered 3 more, a black one for me, one for my son, and one for a friend. Best atomizer I've run into so far.
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No, no, what juices. I too vape at 14 watts or so and my coils last about 2 weeks without cleaning. Or at least until they taste ratty enough for me to look at.
Sent with no malice and not a whole lot of forethought from my new Galaxy Tab 4. Thanks Santa!
Glad to see another person happy with a larger ID/'higher' ohm coil at lower wattage.
That's the route I intend to start at.
And thanks for the giving the reasoning on the difference in regards to stuffing/placing the wick.
Good thinking on numbering the parts when cleaning, so many orings.
Can't wait for my Tobeco to get here later this week!
Enjoy!
Well said. I really wish I was supporting the designers.
My feeling exactly. I think we probably all have a different price point that we'd be willing to pay, but yes. The idea is the same. Personally, I'd even consider spending < $100 to get an authentic instead of $25 for a clone. But at the current price tag, the authentic is just too expensive for most.
I don't expect the authentic manufacturers to meet clone prices. But when they are up to 8x more expensive, the're really going to struggle to compete.
Some of my juices are sweeter fruit blends (Ahlusion mainly). I know they will gunk up the coil faster, but my Lemo (running a nickel build) will go four or five tanks with the same juice, but on the Kayfun v4, I only get about two tanks before things start to get pretty nasty.
Thanks mate your all a lovely bunch I feel privileged
I do feel the same but money is tight for a lot of people these days and I feel everyone should have a chance at having something they like at a price they can afford I mean I know the world don't work like that but it would be nice, more and more people are buying clones of everything because they are just as good and so much cheaper. Everything always changes no one will ever stay on top there's always something bigger and better waiting around the corner! Thanks mate
I feel a bigger coil wicks so much better because the cotton can sort of stay at one thickness rather than big and fluffy then too tight in the middle micro coils work fine for rebuilding protanks etc... but it just don't cut it enough with a beast like this a Ferrari needs a Ferrari engine LOL
Yeah Tobeco can make a clone for $40 they did not design or engineer anything just copy a product.That's the easy part( most of the time Tobeco does not always get that right..see first batch Dome rba ) Most authentic companies that develop products want to control all parts of the manufacturing, and not pass it on to subs.That way if you find a problem you can fix it before they make 20k that are wrong.This one is expensive to say the least but that's the way it is. People who have the money and want the authentic will buy it.The rest buy the clones...
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