Attack of the (Kayfun v4) Clones!

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capthook

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FWIW, when I hear of thick residues, with commercial juices, my worry is that 1) they flavor for profit, with no regard for the fact we know nothing of the inhalation toxicity of food flavorings. And it's a matter of amounts. It's one thing to be inhaling 1% acetone, and another to be inhaling 30%.

The flavorings we DO know about lead me to worry #2. 2) The use of diketones. The thick buttery taste we love so much in our food. The Vanilla custards. The buttery cakes. Buttered caramel popcorn. Without diketones it's impossible to make some flavors. And inhaling diketones causes obliteration of the fine bronchioles in the lungs. Irreversibly. At low inhaled amounts it's likely to not be devastating, but if people are using 30% flavoring, with flavors that contain diketones like diacetyl, they're being foolish. And from talking to the juice vendors I get the distinct impression they don't want to deal with it, because they cannot make their best-selling "rich juices" without diketones.

So I just don't vape commercial juices, it's cheaper anyway, and in my own liquids I avoid flavor types likely to contain diketones (no matter what they say), and I try to use a minimum of ALL flavoring, say 5% as a general limit. Less for some of the Chinese alcohol-based super-flavors.

Amen! +1 and +2 and agreed!!
The lack of transparency from all but a handful of juice vendors on what is actually in their juice is my #1 reason for moving to DIY juice.
The 4x-8x savings is a great added benefit.
I plan on DIY only the Diketone free TPA and FA flavors. Huge thanks to them for their efforts in making these products available.

I'm surprised at the relative lack of interest by many on ECF towards the issue of Diketones.
Seems juice vendors continue to ignore info like provided by Dr. F and will unfortunately force external controls to be enacted.
 

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Robbot KF V4 clone, one piece top cap/drip tip combo from Avid Vapor, unknown clone P3 base. I really like this top cap, shortens the height and very easy to remove for top filling. It doesn't have the notches or whatever they are called on the original top nut to relieve pressure but i simply just turn it upside down once I reach the o-ring and finish screwing it it on. No leaks so far.

 

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Robbot KF V4 clone, one piece top cap/drip tip combo from Avid Vapor, unknown clone P3 base. I really like this top cap, shortens the height and very easy to remove for top filling. It doesn't have the notches or whatever they are called on the original top nut to relieve pressure but i simply just turn it upside down once I reach the o-ring and finish screwing it it on. No leaks so far.


I like the one piece top cap but I like a thinner mouth piece.
 

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I like the one piece top cap but I like a thinner mouth piece.

Me too, but i think they made it this wide so you can still attach another drip tip if you want...kind of defeats the purpose of it being one piece. The nice part is you can put one of those rubber carto caps inside to create a micro bore (intense flavor) and it fits perfectly. I would have liked it a little narrower but it's worth it IMO to reduce the height a little.
 

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Robbot KF V4 clone, one piece top cap/drip tip combo from Avid Vapor, unknown clone P3 base. I really like this top cap, shortens the height

Very nice. Does the integrated drip tip get hot?
I've tried vaping without the drip tip.... Too wide of course, but noted the tip adapter #38 gets too hot for my lip on the 2nd or 3rd vape.
 

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Very nice. Does the integrated drip tip get hot?
I've tried vaping without the drip tip.... Too wide of course, but noted the tip adapter #38 gets too hot for my lip on the 2nd or 3rd vape.

I've only had it for two days and i rotate with other devices throughout the day but i have not noticed any heat. Of course i think this will depend mostly on your build. I don't sub ohm. The build i have in it now is 1.3 Ohm (28g, 6/7 wraps, 2.5mm ID).
 

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I've only had it for two days and i rotate with other devices throughout the day but i have not noticed any heat. Of course i think this will depend mostly on your build. I don't sub ohm. The build i have in it now is 1.3 Ohm (28g, 6/7 wraps, 2.5mm ID).

What watts.... Or mech?
I'm running almost the same build, 1.26Ω, but like 13.5 watts for quite a few of the juices I vape. Coil I currently have is an expiriment....sitting way above the chimney, so this may contribute to my heat.
 

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    .6 ohm @ 22w, custom drip tip... This v4 just keeps going n going. Temp control coming next month, as bills are killing me. IMG_20150128_205843.jpg
     

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    Right behind you...
    What no comments on my sub Ohm-ing a Stock KayFun v4 with Twisted 24 or 28 gauge..

    at least some Wicking critique I still cant get consistent Fluid hits she goes dry Cellucotton or Japanese Cotton..

    too much too little ?? I'm really digging that steel mesh monster with the Cotton ends that looks promising

    Try this:

     

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    What watts.... Or mech?
    I'm running almost the same build, 1.26Ω, but like 13.5 watts for quite a few of the juices I vape. Coil I currently have is an expiriment....sitting way above the chimney, so this may contribute to my heat.

    11 watts. My coil is about 1-2mm above air hole. I prefer it really close than way up high.
     

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    11 watts. My coil is about 1-2mm above air hole. I prefer it really close than way up high.
    Thanks Fa-Q. That's the height I have been running, some have suggested get it real high for better flavor & air. Personally, see no difference, perhaps more heat, so will be returning to normal height. Think I'll order that drip tip.... The k4 looks a little silly on my mini clouper & 4nine, k4s are longer than the mods :)
     

    MattB101

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    I might just make one. Looks simple enough and I should have everything I need in my garage and basement full of junk.
    You know, now that you mention it, I probably do too. ☺

    Sent while sitting on my busted ..... Stay off the ice if you can't skate. I can't and didn't.
     

    MattB101

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    I had 2 orders from FT and FC, both shipped out 2/12/2015. I received the FC order from Shenzen on 2/26 and still waiting for the FT order that went thru Xiamen.
    I just got mine, been sitting in Xiamen since 2/9. Have you checked tracking? No notice at all then in was in Wisconsin, next day out for delivery in Virginia.

    Sent while sitting on my busted ..... Stay off the ice if you can't skate. I can't and didn't.
     

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    I have one to be shipped and one that should have been shipped but hasn't. From China but not FT.
    My problem is more local, right here, I have better than 25 tank atties that haven't been used in I don't know how long that are juiced. I have 10 cleaned up tonight.
    At least nothing rusted or the like. Probably a dozen or so drippers to do also but that's a bit easier.

    Just a small part of them here:
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    I do that too. Just take em off and set em aside until I run out of clean ones.

    Sent while sitting on my busted ..... Stay off the ice if you can't skate. I can't and didn't.
     

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    Yup #25's a ..... to manhandle. Like wrestling lawyers in an oil spill.
    And it always wants to go back on cross-threaded.

    How do you guys prevent over-filling? Is pulling out when the liquid
    reaches the top ledge of #26 practical? Or the bottom of #32?

    I saw a picture of a V4 on a French site with a BRASS #12! Is that
    a SvoeMesto original or a known variant?

    Curious now, @Capthook! How much flavoring do you use in your
    dark rich sweet juice?
    Hate it when you have to pull out!

    Sent while sitting on my busted ..... Stay off the ice if you can't skate. I can't and didn't.
     

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    Amen! +1 and +2 and agreed!!
    The lack of transparency from all but a handful of juice vendors on what is actually in their juice is my #1 reason for moving to DIY juice.
    The 4x-8x savings is a great added benefit.
    I plan on DIY only the Diketone free TPA and FA flavors. Huge thanks to them for their efforts in making these products available.

    I'm surprised at the relative lack of interest by many on ECF towards the issue of Diketones.
    Seems juice vendors continue to ignore info like provided by Dr. F and will unfortunately force external controls to be enacted.
    Isn't what causes "popcorn" lung?

    Sent while sitting on my busted ..... Stay off the ice if you can't skate. I can't and didn't.
     
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