Attack of the (Kayfun v4) Clones!

[TheKiwi]

Um. Your post (before you edited it away) said exactly "wick HAVE TO barely touch the deck."

The emphasis is mine.

all im saying is "I don't think (it) is necessarily true."

I never claimed nor even came close to insinuating that you were BS-ing.

A member has an issue. You offered a range of solutions. I simply stated that one of these solutions is not necessarily the solution, simply because I've had success with exactly the opposite. As has other members.

Shrug. Whatever floats your boat.


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[ccwaters]

Guys, when you have a device giving individuals problems wicking a number of variables come into play, just because it works for you does not mean it will work for the next guy. You could even hand someone for perfect working build, and it may not work for them.

Some builds, and atomizers are much more forgiving then others. Some things that make a bit of difference, material, size, and density in the coil, how hard you pull, viscosity of juice, how open your airflow is. It all matters, some atomizers more then others.

What you can do is alter the build to your juice, and vaping style, you have to be pulling/sucking hard enough to bring the juice up to your wick, the more open your air flow, the less juice that will be pulled into the chamber per pull. (Rayon excepted, I pack it pretty tight)

What I would try is a few things, one being don't obstruct the channels with wick, tighten up the air flow a bit, make sure to not over pack, or under pack the coil, it should be snug in the coil but not so much that it is difficult to pull it through.

I've found with my KF4 clones 2.5 mm coil, with Rayon or cotton seems to work best, and just long enough to touch the deck without a surplus, also I've had the best results puffing, and fanning the ends, and lightly poking it into the chimney works best for me, even on my Robot Tech which did give me some issues initially. This works for me, it isn't better then your build, or worse, it just works for me.

More then one person has mentioned issues laying the wick on the deck, so if your having issues you may want to try and avoid that.

 

[stanleybb50]

Thanks again all. The water drop trick helped but didn't "cure" for the record.

I love all the great help and suggestions! I'll try another wick later tonight. And will order myself some rayon for a test as well.

I think in my rewick tonight (busy today), I'll try a loose cotton build that skims the deck. I'll also saturate the cotton before putting the chimney side piece on. Then maybe try the stuff method tomorrow if that doesn't work. The key will be less cotton and nice and fluffed.

Thanks again!

 

[HDMontana]

Guys, when you have a device giving individuals problems wicking a number of variables come into play, just because it works for you does not mean it will work for the next guy. You could even hand someone for perfect working build, and it may not work for them.

Some builds, and atomizers are much more forgiving then others. Some things that make a bit of difference, material, size, and density in the coil, how hard you pull, viscosity of juice, how open your airflow is. It all matters, some atomizers more then others.

What you can do is alter the build to your juice, and vaping style, you have to be pulling/sucking hard enough to bring the juice up to your wick, the more open your air flow, the less juice that will be pulled into the chamber per pull. (Rayon excepted, I pack it pretty tight)

What I would try is a few things, one being don't obstruct the channels with wick, tighten up the air flow a bit, make sure to not over pack, or under pack the coil, it should be snug in the coil but not so much that it is difficult to pull it through.

I've found with my KF4 clones 2.5 mm coil, with Rayon or cotton seems to work best, and just long enough to touch the deck without a surplus, also I've had the best results puffing, and fanning the ends, and lightly poking it into the chimney works best for me, even on my Robot Tech which did give me some issues initially. This works for me, it isn't better then your build, or worse, it just works for me.

More then one person has mentioned issues laying the wick on the deck, so if your having issues you may want to try and avoid that.

Agreed. I usually fan out my tails as well. Cut the Japanese cotton tails to length with chimney bottom installed. Can pretty much eyeball for how long they need to be. Then stuff them down into the chimney onto the deck. The last 2 I did in my V4's, rather than fan out the tails, I actually bunched up the tails between the juice holes. Could just barely see the holes on each side of the tail. Works fine and keeps up with my chain vaping setions. Just an example of one more way that works for somebody.

HD

 

[k2zs]

So I'm getting used to my Tobeco's minor idiosyncrasy's and here's how I'm vaping it...

Love my Ant Mod, this things vapeing sweet

 

[Marc411]

Um. Your post (before you edited it away) said exactly "wick HAVE TO barely touch the deck."

The emphasis is mine.

all im saying is "I don't think (it) is necessarily true."

I never claimed nor even came close to insinuating that you were BS-ing.

A member has an issue. You offered a range of solutions. I simply stated that one of these solutions is not necessarily the solution, simply because I've had success with exactly the opposite. As has other members.

Shrug. Whatever floats your boat.


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The post was not edited it was deleted because the experts obviously were upset that someone had an opinion that differed from their own. You are absolutely correct Kiwi, I was attempting to give other options that worked for me and the way I wick so your quote "wick HAVE TO barely touch the deck" would be accurate. In turn your response

I don't think the whole "wick barely touches the deck is necessarily true.

Questions the truth of how I wick and what I tried to tell the person MAY help them with their issue.

There are some excellent posts above that are giving the person other options, some similar to mine so it doesn't matter.

It's just a damn same that their is a group that becomes so territorial about posts that the question other peoples motives. For others they just try to give options that have worked for them and may help work to resolve an issue for someone else.

I guess for some it's instant expert, just add keyboard.

 

[mgmrick]

Sorry folks kiwi is 100% right....

You have other issues if your kayfun is not wicking its not the build. These kayfuns are very forgiving when it comes to building them. I find no difference when blocking the juice holes or not and I stuff my wick in there pretty good. More is better meaning if you use enough cotton or rayon it will work. If it's not wicking you have other issues and its not the build. I mentioned this a couple posts ago. If you are not inhaling hard enough it will not work. These like many of rta's are depended on vacumun they need to be sealed and you have to inhale hard enough to move the juice

Whoa. I think you took that way too personal.

I'm simply saying that the wick doesnt necessarily HAVE to be just barely touching the deck IN ORDER for the kayfun 4 to wick well.

Just as you've had success with doing it that way, I've had success doing it the other way with my wick well all over my deck. I was not saying you lied. I was not saying your method doesn't work. I'm merely saying it's not true that it HAS to be just barely touching the deck.

You might wanna grab a drink or two. Either that or cut down.

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[TheKiwi]

WELP. K you do you hahaha


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[TheKiwi]

Sorry folks kiwi is 100% right....

You have other issues if your kayfun is not wicking its not the build. These kayfuns are very forgiving when it comes to building them. I find no difference when blocking the juice holes or not and I stuff my wick in there pretty good. More is better meaning if you use enough cotton or rayon it will work. If it's not wicking you have other issues and its not the build. I mentioned this a couple posts ago. If you are not inhaling hard enough it will not work. These like many of rta's are depended on vacumun they need to be sealed and you have to inhale hard enough to move the juice

Haha just so everyone is clear. No one (including myself) is saying im right because I'm saying someone else is wrong, or some alternative method is wrong. Quite the contrary.

I'm simply saying that Specifically for the length of the wick tail, whether it just barely touched the deck, or whether there is more and it just plops on it, either way it should work. There simply isn't a definitive "it has to be" one or the other.


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[mgmrick]

These kayfun's are very forgiving just like the old versions when it comes to the building.

If anyone still can't get it to work I would be more than willing to setup it up for him or her

 

[Marc411]

Sorry folks kiwi is 100% right....

You have other issues if your kayfun is not wicking its not the build. These kayfuns are very forgiving when it comes to building them. I find no difference when blocking the juice holes or not and I stuff my wick in there pretty good. More is better meaning if you use enough cotton or rayon it will work. If it's not wicking you have other issues and its not the build. I mentioned this a couple posts ago. If you are not inhaling hard enough it will not work. These like many of rta's are depended on vacumun they need to be sealed and you have to inhale hard enough to move the juice

I never said he was wrong. Opinions or his personal experience aren't mine to question and I certainly can't state that anything they say is or is not "necessarily true".

You again speak in absolutes based on your experiences but nothing is an absolute when it come's to building, their are way to many variables. And what works for one person others can't seem to get to work and find a different solution through their coil or wick. You read it here all the time.

On the previous page there is a member that says his barely touches the deck and you say "More is better".

You miss the point, it's not about the build it's about the attitude. Our role is to help others in our community with our experiences, to give them options. It is not to question what works for one person, to get in a pissing contest and question the "truth" of their statements (unless it's a blatant troll). Some people get territorial and want to dominate a topic and when someone else steps in they appear to become threatened because it's not in their same line of thinking. You get jerked around because you offer options and I don't believe that's what this site is all about, but you seem to be missing that point.

And I don't even know what the hell this means

WELP. K you do you hahaha

 

[mgmrick]

If anyone still can't get a build that works... I will be more than willing to check out your kayfun and make a build that does work for me. If it still does not work then its not the kayfun but rather your vaping style or your using juice that is too thick (there are ways to thin your juice).

Just like any other atty based on a persons juice and vaping style this may not work for everyone. Does not mean its a bad atty style just not right for you.

And yes I stand behind my statements... more is better and it does not matter if juice holes are blocked or not.

 

[Marc411]

Haha just so everyone is clear. No one (including myself) is saying im right because I'm saying someone else is wrong, or some alternative method is wrong. Quite the contrary.

I'm simply saying that Specifically for the length of the wick tail, whether it just barely touched the deck, or whether there is more and it just plops on it, either way it should work. There simply isn't a definitive "it has to be" one or the other.


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That's not the message you conveyed last night. Reading is fundamental so maybe re-reading you position last night would be helpful.

 

[TheKiwi]

Welp. That got really silly haha. I'm just gonna bow outta the thread.

Hope everyone enjoys success with their k4 clones eventually!

p.s. Marc, im not sure if English is your first language. I suggest looking up "not necessarily true". Which btw is what I've been saying consistently.

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[doofy666]

more is better and it does not matter if juice holes are blocked or not.

More is worse on my tobeco.

 

[mgmrick]

I for one would hope you would not leave this thread your insite is valuable here. Seems some people are trying too hard to fine their build to get this kayfun4 to work seen the same thing on the old version. Its not the build that needs to be fine tuned. You can throw almost any build in these kayfuns. If it's not wicking they have other issues. First thing I would look at is oring...juice too thick..vaping to lightly.

Welp. That got really silly haha. I'm just gonna bow outta the thread.

Hope everyone enjoys success with their k4 clones eventually!

p.s. Marc, im not sure if English is your first language. I suggest looking up "not necessarily true". Which btw is what I've been saying consistently.

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[gandsr]

I just received two V4's from Vaportek yesterday, my first V4's. I had to see what all the hoopla was about for myself! Took them apart and cleaned them, though they were pretty clean from Tobeco. Put the first one back together. Threw my standard Kayfun build on it. 28 awg kanthal, 7 wraps on a 2.4mm screwdriver with ID cotton. Came out at 1.2 ohms. Filled her up and started vaping. Initially great vape. 30 minutes later burnt the wick in half. Pulled it apart checked everything over and rewicked. Half an hour later same thing happens. It was getting late so I put everything aside for today. I spent a couple of hours this morning reading this thread before attempting a new build. I stripped everything down and broke out the old 5X magnifying glass. Turns out the juice channels were full of metal shavings. Cleaned them out rebuilt as before been vaping for the past two hours no issues. Quality vape, too many moving parts for me personally but that's just a matter of preference. I will continue to use it because it is a quality vape.
On the wicking question I also cover the deck with cotton, fanned out and lightly packed down. Works great for me but again just a matter of what works for me. I'm sure there numerous ways to wick that works.

 

[KTMRider]

Haha just so everyone is clear. No one (including myself) is saying im right because I'm saying someone else is wrong, or some alternative method is wrong. Quite the contrary.

I'm simply saying that Specifically for the length of the wick tail, whether it just barely touched the deck, or whether there is more and it just plops on it, either way it should work. There simply isn't a definitive "it has to be" one or the other.


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The wick needs to touch the juice deck. How much is up to you but it does need to touch.

I never said he was wrong. Opinions or his personal experience aren't mine to question and I certainly can't state that anything they say is or is not "necessarily true".

You again speak in absolutes based on your experiences but nothing is an absolute when it come's to building, their are way to many variables. And what works for one person others can't seem to get to work and find a different solution through their coil or wick. You read it here all the time.

On the previous page there is a member that says his barely touches the deck and you say "More is better".

You miss the point, it's not about the build it's about the attitude. Our role is to help others in our community with our experiences, to give them options. It is not to question what works for one person, to get in a pissing contest and question the "truth" of their statements (unless it's a blatant troll). Some people get territorial and want to dominate a topic and when someone else steps in they appear to become threatened because it's not in their same line of thinking. You get jerked around because you offer options and I don't believe that's what this site is all about, but you seem to be missing that point.

And I don't even know what the hell this means

Chill out. You keep posting like you have a chip on your shoulder and need to prove it to the world.

That's not the message you conveyed last night. Reading is fundamental so maybe re-reading you position last night would be helpful.

And yet reading comprehension eludes you.

 

[Light Seeker]

You can throw almost any build in these kayfuns. If it's not wicking they have other issues.

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Dozens of builds both rayon & cotton using juice anywhere from 40 to 90% vg, only problems I've found wicking is when serious chain vaping and the wick is obviously way too small to keep up.... Obvious just looking at size of wick. Ymmv

 

[mikeymop]

Does anyone know if HCigar makes a black version of their clone? I haven't been able to find one.