Authentic Svoemesto Kayfun Prime

[vapdivrr]

Now I use rayon and although it never happened in the prime, it has happened in other rtas. Sometimes when I don't fluff up my tails , meaning the become flat, I get a total dry wick..I don't think this ever happened to me with cotton, but with rayon if the tails become flattened, something happens where they don't bring up juice...so in those rta's , I have to make sure the tails are fluffy. I do this by not saturating wick and tails before inserting into the ledges . Once the dry wick is down the ledge I then drip juice on top of coil and sides of tails. I just don't add a bunch of juice to the top of tails because it can Matt the tails and flatten them down...once it's saturated, I then fluff the tails slightly , so they don't look flat or like glued to the side of ledge....if your using cotton, it just may be your cutting them to short.....maybe your coil has risen and the lenght you usually use is now too short

Just be vaping in TC. Wattage keeps dropping, less vapor. Open it up, and sure enough the wick is dry. More I open up the jfc the better. But even with 2 full turns, doesn't seem to be enough. I just rewicked it last night, and no issues. 1 1/2 turns, and wicking just fine. I'm thinking I was just rushing it. Kinda took my time last night.

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[MKBarca]

After a very long time with contact coils (1.4 ohms at 11 watts), I’ve managed to create a nice spaced coil. Finally. I always got popping etc before when trying these but gave it another go lately and no issues whatsoever. Not quite sure what I’m doing differently but it’s working very well indeed.

I’m awkward in a way, I’ve always wrapped on a 2.25 drill bit. Never liked the larger 2.5 etc. So I’ve done 6 wraps spaced slightly on a 2.25 and it gives me 1.0 ohm. And a very new to me 14 watts. Slightly less battery life but quick ramp up time and I’ve noticed it doesn’t seem to gunk up as much as a contact coil. Seems like everyone is doing spaced coils now so thought I’d try it myself and very pleased the popping is gone.

And the Prime still delivers the best vape on the planet. Curious as to where Svoemesto go from this one.

 

[Bronze]

After a very long time with contact coils (1.4 ohms at 11 watts), I’ve managed to create a nice spaced coil. Finally. I always got popping etc before when trying these but gave it another go lately and no issues whatsoever. Not quite sure what I’m doing differently but it’s working very well indeed.

I’m awkward in a way, I’ve always wrapped on a 2.25 drill bit. Never liked the larger 2.5 etc. So I’ve done 6 wraps spaced slightly on a 2.25 and it gives me 1.0 ohm. And a very new to me 14 watts. Slightly less battery life but quick ramp up time and I’ve noticed it doesn’t seem to funk up as much as a contact coil. Seems like everyone is doing spaced coils now so thought I’d try it myself and very pleased the popping is gone.

And the Prime still delivers the best vape on the planet. Curious as the where Svoemesto go from this one.

Congratulations!

Spaced coils are easy actually. Just wrap them haphazardly and then compress them all the way, preferably while the coil is still on the mandrel. The springiness in the wire will space them for you (uniformly) on the springback.

 

[MKBarca]

Congratulations!

Spaced coils are easy actually. Just wrap them haphazardly and then compress them all the way, preferably while the coil is still on the mandrel. The springiness in the wire will space them for you (uniformly) on the springback.

True. And the non-existent hotspots (although never a big turn off) are nice to not have to deal with.

 

[MKBarca]

I’m always curious about vaping trends throughout the years. I’ve been vaping since 2013 and always rebuilt with a 2.25mm drill bit. It’s what I started with and it just worked so I rarely change that.

I think I’m right in saying that back in the day (Old Kayfun Lite days) the norm was to build a 2mm coil. Not for everyone but most people seemed to be doing smaller diameter coils.

Why the move towards bigger coils like 2.5 and 3mm? I’ve tried 2.5 and apart from being easier to wick etc, I don’t notice any huge difference in flavour. Does anyone know why things have gravitated towards bigger?

 

[Bronze]

I’m always curious about vaping trends throughout the years. I’ve been vaping since 2013 and always rebuilt with a 2.25mm drill bit. It’s what I started with and it just worked so I rarely change that.

I think I’m right in saying that back in the day (Old Kayfun Lite days) the norm was to build a 2mm coil. Not for everyone but most people seemed to be doing smaller diameter coils.

Why the move towards bigger coils like 2.5 and 3mm? I’ve tried 2.5 and apart from being easier to wick etc, I don’t notice any huge difference in flavour. Does anyone know why things have gravitated towards bigger?

Not really. Spaced coils are going to be longer so if you have tight quarters (like on the Prime) then a larger diameter keeps it from being too long. I'm currently using 2.0mm in my Prime (I'm using Temp Control). 2.5mm is fine. My Mini is 2.5mm contact coil using kanthal in power mode. Six of one a dozen of the other. A long coil in the Prime can be useful for keeping the wicks from touching the center block where the air hole is.

 

[HBcorpse]

Why the move towards bigger coils like 2.5 and 3mm? I’ve tried 2.5 and apart from being easier to wick etc, I don’t notice any huge difference in flavour. Does anyone know why things have gravitated towards bigger?

I started vaping in FEB-2011

Had a friend who’s older brother just so happened to be the founder & owner of VaporTalk.com

He gifted me my first set up.

An eGo battery (before the adjustable VV / Twist versions were even imagined)

A handful of random juices at 18mg (and the 18mg juices back then were WOW powerful)

A box of dripping bridge atomizers...looked like they had steel wool inside them.

Airflow was VERY tight.

And that’s how a lot of “old timers” got started...with something along those lines.

Then the first Genesis atomizers and the Kayfun came out and airflow took a big bump, so the coil sizes had to follow.

Eventually everything was cloned by the Chinese, and other reputable makers (since everything is really a copy of everything else).

“New vapers” became seduced by the lower sticker prices of the cheap mods/tanks, factory coils came along so rebuilding wasn’t “necessary”.

Then the airflow / clouds / wattage wars began.

This was all pretty much a wiener measuring contest, but it firmly rooted DTL-style vaping in the vaping world.

Well, tank makers now had two crowds to satisfy.

Mouth-to-lung vapers and direct-to-lung vapers.

Some, like myself, had actually been vaping with a modified lung hit (know better today as “restricted lung hit”) but we didn’t know there was any other way until the clear distinction between MTL and DTL was revealed.

Anyway...it’s a three sided machine: Airflow, Mod power, coil size.

As the mod power pissing match ramped up (cuz less than 200w is unacceptable), airflow had to increase (or else the vape was too hot), and when airflow increases the coil size must increase (or the air will cool the coil too fast)...

Along that route comes the debate over wick material/amount, and juice flow channels...etc.

So, take it as it is.

I cannot claim any real accuracy to this timeline of events, as I found my sweet spot early on and only dabbled in the “new gear” very little along my journey!

But, I do feel this is a fairly correct, although VERY brief, version of how things went down.

 

[MKBarca]

Not really. Spaced coils are going to be longer so if you have tight quarters (like on the Prime) then a larger diameter keeps it from being too long. I'm currently using 2.0mm in my Prime (I'm using Temp Control). 2.5mm is fine. My Mini is 2.5mm contact coil using kanthal in power mode. Six of one a dozen of the other. A long coil in the Prime can be useful for keeping the wicks from touching the center block where the air hole is.

So many variables in the vaping game. I actually experimented with a 2mm coil today, 10 wraps contact coil at 1.5 ohms. Worked very nicely. I still like the rugged feel of a contact coil. And yes, those 10 wraps definitely covered a lot of the air slot and definitely helped keep the wick tails far away from it. Quite enjoyed the ramp up of the 2mm coil. Very fast as opposed to the larger coils.

 

[MKBarca]

I started vaping in FEB-2011

Had a friend who’s older brother just so happened to be the founder & owner of VaporTalk.com

He gifted me my first set up.

An eGo battery (before the adjustable VV / Twist versions were even imagined)

A handful of random juices at 18mg (and the 18mg juices back then were WOW powerful)

A box of dripping bridge atomizers...looked like they had steel wool inside them.

Airflow was VERY tight.

And that’s how a lot of “old timers” got started...with something along those lines.

Then the first Genesis atomizers and the Kayfun came out and airflow took a big bump, so the coil sizes had to follow.

Eventually everything was cloned by the Chinese, and other reputable makers (since everything is really a copy of everything else).

“New vapers” became seduced by the lower sticker prices of the cheap mods/tanks, factory coils came along so rebuilding wasn’t “necessary”.

Then the airflow / clouds / wattage wars began.

This was all pretty much a wiener measuring contest, but it firmly rooted DTL-style vaping in the vaping world.

Well, tank makers now had two crowds to satisfy.

Mouth-to-lung vapers and direct-to-lung vapers.

Some, like myself, had actually been vaping with a modified lung hit (know better today as “restricted lung hit”) but we didn’t know there was any other way until the clear distinction between MTL and DTL was revealed.

Anyway...it’s a three sided machine: Airflow, Mod power, coil size.

As the mod power pissing match ramped up (cuz less than 200w is unacceptable), airflow had to increase (or else the vape was too hot), and when airflow increases the coil size must increase (or the air will cool the coil too fast)...

Along that route comes the debate over wick material/amount, and juice flow channels...etc.

So, take it as it is.

I cannot claim any real accuracy to this timeline of events, as I found my sweet spot early on and only dabbled in the “new gear” very little along my journey!

But, I do feel this is a fairly correct, although VERY brief, version of how things went down.

Great information. I can remember the big boom in sub ohm stuff coming out. Think it was around the end of 2013 and start of 2014. I thought then that it was a fad and would pass quickly but that certainly hasn’t been the case at all.

I have no interest in blowing huge clouds or using anything above 14 watts or so. So thank goodness for Svoemesto. My brother has recently quit vaping but he was a DL fan. I remember trying his set ups and it was just pure heat and like being force-fed. I’m sure others can taste flavour in there but all I could taste was a very unpleasant heat.

 

[Bronze]

I've tried everything from 2.0 - 3.5 mm coils and never could tell a difference.

 

[vapdivrr]

Actually the first rebuildables did have spaced coils and average sized coils, these were in the genesis attys, first bottom fed tanks, and early rta tanks. Obviously the gennys had mesh wicks, but they were definitely spaced and not particularly small in diameter. Same with the very early rta's , except we used silica wicks. Even the reo set ups used spaced silica wicks until super x drifter came up with the micro coil. This micro coil started everything we see today , as it brought in cotton and hemp and the big difference was the coils were done first, then the wicks were inserted. Before there were micros, the wire was always wrapped around the wicks. the change was made because of the first dripper type tanks, specifically the first squonking tanks because it was always a pain to coil a dam piece of silica , then attach that to the posts. We were doing 1 to 1.6mm micros coils at the time and it rocked!!! When the original kayfun thread started here, that was about the time I switched from reo's to the kayfun and no one had ever used the reo micros in any kayfun here on ecf until I decided to try it (cause I was using them in the reos) . After doing micros in the kayfun and having great results, I posted the build and results and although it took some time, within maybe a year, silica and traditional wraps were gone in just about every rta and rebuildable attys. I may have not been the first ever to do these micros in a kayfun, I was the first here on ecf....so although coil ID'S have gotten bigger and have spread out like they had before, what we gained through super x drifters micro coil, was cotton and with cotton we had the biggest change and that was we no longer wrapped the coil around the wick first.....I think the reason why micros aren't as small and are spaced a bit more is because most are vaping higher wattages now and a 1mm micro with 30 watts is just to hot

I’m always curious about vaping trends throughout the years. I’ve been vaping since 2013 and always rebuilt with a 2.25mm drill bit. It’s what I started with and it just worked so I rarely change that.

I think I’m right in saying that back in the day (Old Kayfun Lite days) the norm was to build a 2mm coil. Not for everyone but most people seemed to be doing smaller diameter coils.

Why the move towards bigger coils like 2.5 and 3mm? I’ve tried 2.5 and apart from being easier to wick etc, I don’t notice any huge difference in flavour. Does anyone know why things have gravitated towards bigger?

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[schismz]

And then, after all this, really crappy disposable e-cig tech with small batts and 1+ Ω attys in a sexXxY case and idiot-proof device, loaded up with high-nic e-liquid, took over the world, and it's name was JUUL.

The whole cycle is kinda entertaining to watch. And JUUL's market share is surreal. The recent FDA restart of their PMTA hysteria kinda mentions vaping as a side-note and focuses almost completely on JUUL because they're killing it, and taking all the cigarette companies money.

I'm happy with Dicodes & Kayfuns for my daily drivers, but I seem to be accumulating JUULs too; they're very handy for stealth vaping, small, light, and if you lose it someplace it's more like <shrug> rather than, NoooOooOoz, there went $450-$500 for my mod + atty.

I started vaping in FEB-2011

Had a friend who’s older brother just so happened to be the founder & owner of VaporTalk.com

He gifted me my first set up.

An eGo battery (before the adjustable VV / Twist versions were even imagined)

A handful of random juices at 18mg (and the 18mg juices back then were WOW powerful)

A box of dripping bridge atomizers...looked like they had steel wool inside them.

Airflow was VERY tight.

And that’s how a lot of “old timers” got started...with something along those lines.

Then the first Genesis atomizers and the Kayfun came out and airflow took a big bump, so the coil sizes had to follow.

Eventually everything was cloned by the Chinese, and other reputable makers (since everything is really a copy of everything else).

“New vapers” became seduced by the lower sticker prices of the cheap mods/tanks, factory coils came along so rebuilding wasn’t “necessary”.

Then the airflow / clouds / wattage wars began.

This was all pretty much a wiener measuring contest, but it firmly rooted DTL-style vaping in the vaping world.

Well, tank makers now had two crowds to satisfy.

Mouth-to-lung vapers and direct-to-lung vapers.

Some, like myself, had actually been vaping with a modified lung hit (know better today as “restricted lung hit”) but we didn’t know there was any other way until the clear distinction between MTL and DTL was revealed.

Anyway...it’s a three sided machine: Airflow, Mod power, coil size.

As the mod power pissing match ramped up (cuz less than 200w is unacceptable), airflow had to increase (or else the vape was too hot), and when airflow increases the coil size must increase (or the air will cool the coil too fast)...

Along that route comes the debate over wick material/amount, and juice flow channels...etc.

So, take it as it is.

I cannot claim any real accuracy to this timeline of events, as I found my sweet spot early on and only dabbled in the “new gear” very little along my journey!

But, I do feel this is a fairly correct, although VERY brief, version of how things went down.

 

[HBcorpse]

And then, after all this, really crappy disposable e-cig tech with small batts and 1+ Ω attys in a sexXxY case and idiot-proof device, loaded up with high-nic e-liquid, took over the world, and it's name was JUUL.

The whole cycle is kinda entertaining to watch. And JUUL's market share is surreal. The recent FDA restart of their PMTA hysteria kinda mentions vaping as a side-note and focuses almost completely on JUUL because they're killing it, and taking all the cigarette companies money.

I'm happy with Dicodes & Kayfuns for my daily drivers, but I seem to be accumulating JUULs too; they're very handy for stealth vaping, small, light, and if you lose it someplace it's more like <shrug> rather than, NoooOooOoz, there went $450-$500 for my mod + atty.

I cannot even tell you how much I agree with you.

I dual carry every day.

At work, I don’t even bother using my mod (Radius with one of several tanks, or Billet Box).

I just use my JUUL. Hahaha. I couldn’t NOT jump on board when I first saw one in 2015.

Despite the crazy amount of condensation they build up, which leaks into the body of the device, I still like mine a great deal.

I was hoping to find something to replace it, and tried the PHIX, but their system needs radical improvement.

 

[MKBarca]

Actually the first rebuildables did have spaced coils and average sized coils, these were in the genesis attys, first bottom fed tanks, and early rta tanks. Obviously the gennys had mesh wicks, but they were definitely spaced and not particularly small in diameter. Same with the very early rta's , except we used silica wicks. Even the reo set ups used spaced silica wicks until super x drifter came up with the micro coil. This micro coil started everything we see today , as it brought in cotton and hemp and the big difference was the coils were done first, then the wicks were inserted. Before there were micros, the wire was always wrapped around the wicks. the change was made because of the first dripper type tanks, specifically the first squonking tanks because it was always a pain to coil a dam piece of silica , then attach that to the posts. We were doing 1 to 1.6mm micros coils at the time and it rocked!!! When the original kayfun thread started here, that was about the time I switched from reo's to the kayfun and no one had ever used the reo micros in any kayfun here on ecf until I decided to try it (cause I was using them in the reos) . After doing micros in the kayfun and having great results, I posted the build and results and although it took some time, within maybe a year, silica and traditional wraps were gone in just about every rta and rebuildable attys. I may have not been the first ever to do these micros in a kayfun, I was the first here on ecf....so although coil ID'S have gotten bigger and have spread out like they had before, what we gained through super x drifters micro coil, was cotton and with cotton we had the biggest change and that was we no longer wrapped the coil around the wick first.....I think the reason why micros aren't as small and are spaced a bit more is because most are vaping higher wattages now and a 1mm micro with 30 watts is just to hot

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Brilliant information Divrr, thank you!

 

[Marst]

Although I’m vaping for seven years now I never was coiling with my two clumsy left hands. Imeo from Golden Greek invented those ready-made Springs Which started to interest me. They tasted a LOT better And at the end where a lot cheaper than all these factory built cups from Cubis, Kangertech, Aspire and Others I went through.
Now my son gave me a coil master set and so I “had to” try coiling. First thing I had to buy was a head magnifying lens, and with this I built my first, well, not really nice looking coils. But I started to get the fun out of it.
Then my dealer offered me, what he said, the perfect mod for coiling rookies
The Asmodus Colossal.
This thing, pretty small and handy, has besides several different temperature, Wattage and volt control modes it offers thatoption of a “Curve” mode.
With this you can start with high Watts Which very fast heats up the coil, even a misbreed of a coil, and then you can reduce the Watts in selectable time slots and Watts down to your sweet spot.
I am currently starting with 25W, and then in half second steps going down to my favorite 18 W.
With all others, even my Dicodes mod, The full flavor only comes out with the second or third puff, the colossal brings it out from the very first moment.
I love it!

 

[vapdivrr]

My wife vapes , pretty much like myself , and recently has asked for one of these pods like the juul. I really don't know much about them, but have been looking since and see a ton and just not sure which one to get for her . She definitely likes the shape of the juul, so I'm leaning that way, but wish it was refillable (some say you can?) So you really like it? Are there others you think are good as well? Thanks

And then, after all this, really crappy disposable e-cig tech with small batts and 1+ Ω attys in a sexXxY case and idiot-proof device, loaded up with high-nic e-liquid, took over the world, and it's name was JUUL.

The whole cycle is kinda entertaining to watch. And JUUL's market share is surreal. The recent FDA restart of their PMTA hysteria kinda mentions vaping as a side-note and focuses almost completely on JUUL because they're killing it, and taking all the cigarette companies money.

I'm happy with Dicodes & Kayfuns for my daily drivers, but I seem to be accumulating JUULs too; they're very handy for stealth vaping, small, light, and if you lose it someplace it's more like <shrug> rather than, NoooOooOoz, there went $450-$500 for my mod + atty.

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[vapdivrr]

Sounds pretty nice! The technology is definitely advanced compared to even just a few years ago, which takes alot of the guess work out. Like you said, even with a coil that's not matched well with your wattage can be adjusted to your liking. Without those adjustments, it takes many many rebuilds to find a particular coil that is perfect for your particular vaping style. Without those features, one might have a hard time finding that perfect vape if they aren't particularly fond of rebuilding. Although I don't do temp control, this is also a great tool to dial in a great vape because a coil does have a particular sweet spot in vaporization. If one vapes a low wattage and perhaps makes a coil that has a bit too much mass, they can be missing that sweet spot because the coil may not be reaching it's temp in their button pressed time. Without these newer features a coil needs to match a vaping style more precisely and one needs to press and release the button at the right time as well. We have definately come a long way since Mechanical mods, with those, you have to be dialed in even more, and you still cannot obtain a consistent vape because of the battery drain. I Love this vape journey and although I may be too set in my ways to change, I look forward to see what's next . But of coarse we have this government interference with vaping, so who knows......those mag visors are a definite must for sure. Btw, i have had the tilehamos armed for a while and have yet to try the springomiser, i think I'm going to try it on my next rewick.

Although I’m vaping for seven years now I never was coiling with my two clumsy left hands. Imeo from Golden Greek invented those ready-made Springs Which started to interest me. They tasted a LOT better And at the end where a lot cheaper than all these factory built cups from Cubis, Kangertech, Aspire and Others I went through.
Now my son gave me a coil master set and so I “had to” try coiling. First thing I had to buy was a head magnifying lens, and with this I built my first, well, not really nice looking coils. But I started to get the fun out of it.
Then my dealer offered me, what he said, the perfect mod for coiling rookies
The Asmodus Colossal.
This thing, pretty small and handy, has besides several different temperature, Wattage and volt control modes it offers thatoption of a “Curve” mode.
With this you can start with high Watts Which very fast heats up the coil, even a misbreed of a coil, and then you can reduce the Watts in selectable time slots and Watts down to your sweet spot.
I am currently starting with 25W, and then in half second steps going down to my favorite 18 W.
With all others, even my Dicodes mod, The full flavor only comes out with the second or third puff, the colossal brings it out from the very first moment.
I love it!

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[vapdivrr]

How about you , HB, you really like the juul? Besides the syphx, have you tried any other? Want to get one for the wife, thanks buddy

I cannot even tell you how much I agree with you.

I dual carry every day.

At work, I don’t even bother using my mod (Radius with one of several tanks, or Billet Box).

I just use my JUUL. Hahaha. I couldn’t NOT jump on board when I first saw one in 2015.

Despite the crazy amount of condensation they build up, which leaks into the body of the device, I still like mine a great deal.

I was hoping to find something to replace it, and tried the PHIX, but their system needs radical improvement.

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[Bronze]

How about you , HB, you really like the juul? Besides the syphx, have you tried any other? Want to get one for the wife, thanks buddy

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I remember Qorax talking up the Erl one.

 

[vapdivrr]

Yes, the von erl or something? I did talk to him about it because I seen a video of his and he did recommend one in particular. I probably will buy one he recommended, but also want to buy a second type just incase and I'm thinking juul

I remember Qorax talking up the Erl one.

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