Bartender Says Its Against the Law

[Vapor Pete]

VP I am not a smoker any more I do not smoke I don't use tobacco products anymore

Neither do I.... in fact as I write this, Im going on three weeks tobacco free.

why the should I pretend like I am. Its not illegal for me to do it where ever I want.

Never said you had to pretend anything. Read my posts, you are adding your own words to them.

I have read all your posts

You may have read them.... comprehension of them, is another issue.

and you are a idiot,

You truely show your immaturity my friend. I believe it was you who said something about vaping in class, or computer lab? So you are young enough to be in school, and it shows. You have reduced you rant here to calling me names... again! Fear not my little friend, I will not loose sleep over some unknown school boy calling me names (not you personally). I believe I have effectivly remained calm, clear, and respectful to the nay sayers, in my position on this thread. Im sorry you cannot reciprocate.

WE ARE NOT SMOKERS so we shouldn't follow SMOKING LAWS.

k marcb, then dont. Never said you had to.

edit: removed 7 f-bombs

Again, showing your lack of self restraint. And again, I couldnt care less how many times you couldnt help swearing. Par for the course with children. (not you personally). I sincerely hope we are done now.
My best,
-VP

 

[Vapor Pete]

I would rather go out as they did than fail slowly as I gave up what I believed in.

So long as its not your income thats going out while you stand up for what you believe in. Remember, it was because of these owners choice to ignore the law that made them fail, not their willingness to abide by it. In this situation, the fines far out-weighed the lack of patronage.
My best,
-VP

 

[sherid]

I see that enforcement of the smoking ban is vastly different in this country. In Ohio, 36 of 88 counties opted out of enforcement because it was too expensive. There are two state workers to handle all of the violations for the 36 counties who opted out. So far, there are over 30,000 violations in Ohio. Each $100 fine costs the state $350 when the owner appeals (most do appeal the fine). Ohio eliminated funding for the anti smoking foundation when it attempted to transfer money overnight to Legacy in DC after the governor had dipped into the funding for a jobs stimulation package. Anti-smoking, bans, and the rules that attempt to govern the smoking ban are a contentious match in Ohio. Much of that comes from the vote which misled voters who thought they were voting for family-owned business and private club exemptions. Immediately after the vote, SmokeFree and ACS filed a lawsuit eliminating those exemptions. The Governor then filed a suit demanding private club exemptions as promised on the ballot. SmokeFree and ACS won, and those who have to deal with the law now have little respect for it.

 

[Oldnamenomore]

actually I am 25, I am back in school because of an injury, I worked construction so I have a foul mouth. Yes you are an idiot and yes you are saying we should follow the smoking ban. I think you have a distorted reality of what you think telling everybody to follow the smoking ban means

 

[Oldnamenomore]

RESPECT THE SMOKING BAN, DONT GO AROUND IT.

The bottom line here is that vaping mimics smoking, so dont push your (not you personally, all of us) vaping on the non-smoking community in non-smoking areas.

we should not vape where smokers cannot smoke.... we need to respect the fact that vaping mimics smoking and behave accordingly.
My best,
-VP

I am saying, just dont vape where the smokers cannot smoke

gee I don't know where I could have got the idea, you were an idiot insisting that we have to follow smoking bans even though we are not smoking.

 

[sherid]

This "story" recently appeared in the news, "Group Of Wisconsin Tavern Owners Push For Smoking Ban" This is as low as you can go. Please call, fax, and email them. Tell them you are sick of their lies.
The address given on the tavernsclearingtheair.com website - 401 Wisconsin Av, Milwaukee - is the address of Smoke Free Wisconsin!
SmokeFree Wisconsin
401 Wisconsin Avenue
Madison, WI 53703
608-268-2620 (Phone)
608-268-2623 (Fax)
Nowhere on the web site does it suggest it is run by an advocacy organization dependent on taxpayer funds with specific legislative goals.The whois registration information on the domain also confirms itomain Name: TAVERNSCLEARINGTHEAIR.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: Smoke Free Wisconsin

 

[K-Sound Krew]

The name of this thread is vaping in a bar is illegal,
Get back on track people and stop making personal attacks

Vaping in any establishment is perfectly legal, as of now there is no law against it and bar owners can't get a fine, also most police have been informed about e-cigs
But that is not to say that you should be fighting with the manager about your rights or the legality of the issue, they can ask you to leave or stop just the same as they can for wearing a baseball cap or sneakers, as a private owner of an establishment they have that right.

But here is my point some e-smokers are cowards and A-holes,
An ...... gets into peoples faces about their rights ignoring those around them.
A coward refuses to do it in public and feels the need to hide because they are ashamed and want to avoid confrontation.

Now me personally, I wouldn't label myself in either one of these groups;
Do I vape in public? Yes
Do I get into peoples faces and make a scene? No

But If I had to throw my support I would give it to the A-holes, If the fda bans e-cigs there will be no vote, so by going out in public and getting into peoples faces you will only get the message out in the public and have absolutely no effect on the fda's decision ban.
Ever here the expression "Bad publicity is better then no publicity"?

The FDA has an agenda, they want to protect big tobacco so they can keep people hooked and get all that tax money and they want to ban e-cigs as quickly and quietly as they can, before e-cigs become an acceptable movement. You cowards that hide do far more damage then good.

Let me share quickly with you the story of MA, since we were one of the first states to enact the anti-smoking ban and we currently have the 3rd highest cig tax in the country. MA first passed the clean air law (which was never voted on) it said that you could smoke in a bar but restaurants had to build separate rooms with air filtration systems to protect the workers, exactly one year after all these restaurants spent 10’s of thousands of dollars to build this, MA decided “you know what let’s ban smoking everywhere including private clubs and these establishments that just spent a small fortune to separate smokers from non smokers”. Sure some people fought, but smokers and bar owners are a minority and the state government wasn’t going to put it on the ballet, after a year or two the controversy died down and people became content and submissive. Then the state started jacking up the taxes, it was about 3 tax hikes ago where non-smokers started saying enough is enough, your exploiting people’s addictions and taking money from the majority of the population who can least afford it.

Now is the time to fight, for those who make their voices known, I salute you
For you who cower in the corner, I say you are doing far more damage then good by hiding.

 

[Wildsky]

Very well said K!

 

[ZambucaLu]

actually I am 25, I am back in school because of an injury, I worked construction so I have a foul mouth. Yes you are an idiot and yes you are saying we should follow the smoking ban. I think you have a distorted reality of what you think telling everybody to follow the smoking ban means

You may have worked construction, but this is not a construction site. Enough with the name calling. If you can't get your point across without swearing and name calling I suggest you not post on this.

Lu

 

[Oldnamenomore]

sorry i didn't realize idiot was going to make someone cry I will refrain from such profane words from now on.

 

[Rexa]

When it comes to bars. The owners or bartenders can simply throw you out if you're not dressed properly. It is up to them to ultimately decide. It's not illegal to wear baggy pants but they can still throw you out because they feel you're disrupting the "formal" atmosphere in some places. So I think it's wrong to argue your case if you're being told to stop. However, that doesn't mean you can't politely tell them as was the orignial case of the OP about what an e-cig is. So ultimately, some places won't let you vape simply because they don't want you attracting analog smokers to light up.

In some of the exclusive or trendy bars/clubs here in NYC we have our "midnight-rule". Once the clock strikes midnight and you light up and are discreet about it, no one will bother you. By that time a lot of people are already buzzed or drunk so they most likely won't even notice or just leave you alone.

 

[firebrat75]

actually I am 25, I am back in school because of an injury, I worked construction so I have a foul mouth. Yes you are an idiot and yes you are saying we should follow the smoking ban. I think you have a distorted reality of what you think telling everybody to follow the smoking ban means

I know that I am new around here, and still waiting for my first PV to show up... but I have to weigh in on this. I agree partially with you marcb... I completely agree with VP...

Marcb, maybe in different words you can hear what VP is saying... because what I am reading, you clearly are not understanding what he is saying...

he is saying respect the ban... and here is what I am adding to it... until the non-smokers and anti-smokers are educated about what the PV is.... because in their eyes, if they think that you are smoking, they are going to say that you are smoking.... and when it comes time to actually make a law regarding the PVs, they are going to vote against them.

now let me ask this.... when the ban went into affect, how did you feel?
I felt like I got my facced rubbed in it, since I could not have my cigarette and my beer at the same time out in public...

so being the person that I am, even though I am angry, won't turn around and go around the rules into a "grey" area and rub their faces in it... all that is going to do is get oposition against them....

Sorry to everyone for repeating the same thing over again... I just had to chime in...

Jason

 

[iudog]

I read illinois law and it clearly states lit tobacco products if this helps.

 

[Oldnamenomore]

we can enlighten the non smokers as it comes up, they aren't going to learn about it unless they see it. We live in a bubble where we read about all e-cig news 99% of Americans aren't seeing it or aren't paying attention to it. I have run into 1 person that knew what it was I was using, he had heard about them but never seen one. People will not be informed about them unless we use them in front of them.

 

[traveler49]

Was vaping away in an Olive Garden Bar and some goofy lady about 8 seats away would cough every time i took a drag. Some people sat between us and saw my ecig and said they had heard about em. No second hand smoke etc. The coughing lady buried her head in embarrassment.

 

[sherid]

You can "educate" non-smokers about vaping. You CANNOT educate anti smokers about anything that looks like smoking or a cig. In fact anti-smokers will oppose anything that brings pleasure because they are NUTS. More important than trying to educate NUTS about vaping is educating yourselves about the nature of the anti-smoking/anti-fast food/anti-alcohol movement.

 

[ratpack7]

The club I go to is full of E-cigs.(Area 51 Salt Lake City Utah) The owner is a non smoker but he thinks the e-cigs are cool and has no problem letting people use them. I got a DSE 601 E-pipe and when the owner saw it he wanted to show it off and tell people how cool it was, he has even concidered selling the at the bar.

My advise is dont push the issue when your told you cant use your E-cig. some bartender is not the one to fight with about if its legal or not.

I talked to the owner before I ever brought in a E-cig and gave him some web sites to look at once he did he had no problim allowing them.

 

[Poyzun]

Ok, I cant resist either! A giraffe walks into a bar and says " The high balls are on me!"

 

[Caesarea]

Ok, I cant resist either! A giraffe walks into a bar and says " The high balls are on me!"

Tsk Tsk Poyzun, we must not hijack threads !




A barman walks into a giraffe..............

Boom! Boom!

 

[Poyzun]

I hope the barman didnt have a lit e-cig when He ran into him. Just curious has anyone tried vapeing at a sporting event? Going to Chicago for White Sox game on Wed. Thinking just go in the bathroom stall. Still beats having to walk out of the stadium to the smoking area and miss half the game. Or worse getting booted from the game. Maybe it will be cold, and people will think its just my breath!