lol...except I fear I've over explained it to death....
I should have just said buy these.....no not those...these....end of story....lol...
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lol...except I fear I've over explained it to death....
I should have just said buy these.....no not those...these....end of story....lol...
For those who need precise information, it's there. Good and done.
Anyone think these batts will work on lil chuck or know anything about them?
For the price....I suspect unprotected. I don't know what CR means....can't read the writing on the batt.
http://www.midwestvapor.com/product_p/900mahbattery.htm
For the price....I suspect unprotected. I don't know what CR means....can't read the writing on the batt.
http://www.midwestvapor.com/product_p/900mahbattery.htm
CR means they are rechargeable. They should fit but they are unprotected.
You can get unprotected 18350s in a lot of places:
Battery Junction $4.95
e-lectronics $4.50
DinoDirect has pairs of them for $7.49 but you'd have to wait for shipping from China.
You can get unprotected 18350s in a lot of places:
Battery Junction $4.95
e-lectronics $4.50
DinoDirect has pairs of them for $7.49 but you'd have to wait for shipping from China.
Hello highping, are the aw 18650 battery's any good, and what does the aw stand for?
Thanks in advance,
Grabeard
Thanks in advance,
Grabeard
Haven't seen HighPing here for a while.
AW is the brand name, like Duracell, Ultrafire or Trustfire.
Everyone says AW's IMR batteries are the best. Those are high drain, safer technology than li-ion. They have a shorter mAh rating than the Ultrafires do (but the number is considered to be more accurate.)
They also make protected li-ion (and maybe unprotected as well.) Haven't heard much about them probably because they're a little pricier than the Ultrafire.
BTW, Clouds of Vapor has started carrying a less expensive IMR battery. Don't know if it's any good, but...
Discounts:
cpf = 2% at Light Hound
strell = 5% at Mad Vapes
bigbuyer = 10% at Clouds of Vapor
AW is the brand name, like Duracell, Ultrafire or Trustfire.
Everyone says AW's IMR batteries are the best. Those are high drain, safer technology than li-ion. They have a shorter mAh rating than the Ultrafires do (but the number is considered to be more accurate.)
They also make protected li-ion (and maybe unprotected as well.) Haven't heard much about them probably because they're a little pricier than the Ultrafire.
BTW, Clouds of Vapor has started carrying a less expensive IMR battery. Don't know if it's any good, but...
Discounts:
cpf = 2% at Light Hound
strell = 5% at Mad Vapes
bigbuyer = 10% at Clouds of Vapor
the BDL IMR batteries that CoV carry aren't so hot...
BDL has quite possibly as bad if not worse reputation as far as QC and truth in marketing as *fire
the BDL 14500 IMRs arent as powerful as the AW ones and are barely speced to keep up with a LR atty
the BDL IMR 10440 are a complete joke they're really the same output as a standard Li-Ion 10440...the only reason I can understand them being called IMR at all is because they are LiMN which is "low resistance, high drain"
LiMN = IMR = lithium manganese... the intenal cathode is mae of manganese wich is lower resistance which means higer drain.... .now thic part is pure speculation but I think that the IMR means internal manganese resistance (or resistor) and that the ICR (Li-Ion) is internal cobalt resistance (the cathodes are cobalt)
so IMR..LiMN..high drain....low resistance....can all pretty much be used interchangeably...
the BDL I refered to earlier is the name of the manufacturer like AW or *fire... and they're the other company making IMR batteris
yes LiMN and LiFePo4 chemistries are safer... they're more stabl,don't produce their own oxydizer...and have higher heat tolerance
I don't suppose there is any safe battery combo that can be used in a big chuck that would give 5V is there? I must be a sissy...6V is too much for me but a little more than 3.7 would be nice.
I'd use a pair of 3V 16340s to take it up to 6V and then use a higher resistance atty or carto to drop it down a bit...
what I mean is a 2.5Ω carto at 5V is 10W.... and a 3.5Ωcarto at 6V is 10.29W ...so they're similar....
or say a standard 510 atty at 5V is 10.87W
but at 6V .... a 3.5V knock off 510 atty is 10.29W (same as the boge cartos)... and a 4.5Ω HV atty is 8W....so actually cooler even at 6V....
long story short...you can go to 6V you just have to balance that out with higher resistance on the atty/carto.... it's the premise behind LR atties too...lower voltage +lower resistance put's out more wattage.....
think of it as starting in the middle...you can either gett more wattage by raising the voltage OR by lowering the resistance ....some steps in there you can get to by raising the voltage and the resistance
Thanks Drozd, I knew you'd have an answer 
Here's another question for you, or anyone who can answer. What about using the Terminator?
510 Terminator
I love my Chuck and really don't want to buy another PV right now.
Here's another question for you, or anyone who can answer. What about using the Terminator?510 Terminator
I love my Chuck and really don't want to buy another PV right now.
You are TRYING to confuse me. Stop it!
Poeia: COV has started carrying a less expensive IMR battery.
Drozd: the only reason I can understand them being called IMR at all is because they are LiMN which is "low resistance, high drain"
Poeia: I thought "LiMN" meant they're lithium manganese which is a safer technology
Drozd: LiMN = IMR = lithium manganese
So, back to my point, if they are lithium manganese they get to put LiMN or IMR on their battery. So where does "the only reason I can understand them being called IMR at all is because..." come in. They are either lithium manganese or they're not and lithium manganese is either inherently safer than li-ion or it isn't.
So I take it that there are no safe 2 or 2.5v batteries that I could use instead. I'm tired of buying and tweaking .... to find my sweet spot! I just want to vape and be happy
I'm really not trying to confuse you....
there's a bit more to it than just whether they're LiMN...IMR whatever....
it comes down to battery capability and quality....
The BDL batteries while yes they are LiMN have a lower max drain rating than the AW batteries...
so what right?
well in the case of the 14500 size the max drain puts the amp draw right at the threshold of being overstressed given the right circumstances (ie a 1.5Ω LR atty)..... in this case you're using essentially an unprotected battery.... the chemistry isn't going to protect from overstress and overdrain in this case just the fact that isn't going to vent with flames....
the quote : "the only reason I can understand them being called IMR at all is because..." comes in and was specifically in reference to the 10440 size... it's really pointless since the mAh rating and the C rating are too low to overcome the drain we're putting on them in our aplications...they arent going to provide the power difference of a "real" high drain battery so they're only slightly better than an unprotected Li-Ion...
for me part of the safety of LiMN batteries is that they can provide the amp draw that our atties are asking for without being overstressed and overdrained which would push them harder toward a state of failure....combined with that safer chemistry (not venting with flames and higher temperature stability)...
if you make a LiMN that is that safer chemistry but still can't handle the amp draw without being stressed (which is exactly what BDL did).... then it's almost as bad as a nonprotected battery...
yeah COV carries less expensive IMR batteries....the BDL ones.... and their max drain rate is also much less than the AW ones...
I'm really not trying to confuse you....
there's a bit more to it than just whether they're LiMN...IMR whatever....
it comes down to battery capability and quality....
The BDL batteries while yes they are LiMN have a lower max drain rating than the AW batteries...
so what right?
well in the case of the 14500 size the max drain puts the amp draw right at the threshold of being overstressed given the right circumstances (ie a 1.5Ω LR atty)..... in this case you're using essentially an unprotected battery.... the chemistry isn't going to protect from overstress and overdrain in this case just the fact that isn't going to vent with flames....
the quote : "the only reason I can understand them being called IMR at all is because..." comes in and was specifically in reference to the 10440 size... it's really pointless since the mAh rating and the C rating are too low to overcome the drain we're putting on them in our aplications...they arent going to provide the power difference of a "real" high drain battery so they're only slightly better than an unprotected Li-Ion...
for me part of the safety of LiMN batteries is that they can provide the amp draw that our atties are asking for without being overstressed and overdrained which would push them harder toward a state of failure....combined with that safer chemistry (not venting with flames and higher temperature stability)...
if you make a LiMN that is that safer chemistry but still can't handle the amp draw without being stressed (which is exactly what BDL did).... then it's almost as bad as a nonprotected battery...
yeah COV carries less expensive IMR batteries....the BDL ones.... and their max drain rate is also much less than the AW ones...
Thanks Drozd, I knew you'd have an answer
510 Terminator
I love my Chuck and really don't want to buy another PV right now.
yes something like that would also work
Thank you again Drozd. Now I need to decide if I want to spend 40 bucks to add that much more length to my Chuck...I may have to get the hubby to hold it and press the button for me while I sit at the other end and vape!
I believe that is the battery that is recommended at Jeff's website and on the first page of this thread, isn't it? Just make sure it is the protected blue ones. It is what I use.
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