Beginner's Ignorance with Sub-Ohm Vaping

[Baditude]

I was talking casually with another vaper in my local vape shop just yesterday. He was a relatively new vaper who proudly showed me his first mechanical mod. He was using a rda on it. I asked him what ohms he was running with.

"I don't know. I don't have an ohm reader yet."

(facepalm moment) I asked one of the sales staff to borrow one of the shops ohm readers. Put his RBA on the meter and it reads 0.29 ohms. So next I ask him what battery he has in his mod.


"It's supposed to be a good one. I heard Samsung are good batteries."

I ask to see it. Its a Samsung all right, but its an ICR battery (the pink Samsung ICR18650-26F battery), not an IMR high drain, high amp battery. His ICR Samsung only has a 2C continuous discharge rate and he's trying to pull around 15 Amps from a battery which doesn't have that much.

I told the guy he's been extremely lucky he didn't blow up his battery using that resistance with an ICR Li-ion battery. He said he'd only been using his setup for a couple of hours. I told him he absolutely shouldn't use that battery at that resistance. He immediately purchased a Sony VTC4 30 amp battery.

 

[Equilibrium]

And there he sat in a cloud. Ignorance is bliss for some. Sounds like you saved his face or at least a few fingers.

 

[DoubleEwe]

Well done in stopping another bad vaping newspaper article!

Even on this forum there are plenty of 'non-newbs' who don't have a clue what the hell they are doing when it comes to Mechs and rebuilding. Yesterday was a prime example: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/583157-coil-questions.html

I am not blaming the Youtube video vapers, but there are a lot of people that are trying to emulate their builds and results without knowing how to do it safely.

I appreciate the Darwin Awards, but I would rather that contenders for it were not Vapers, we don't want to all be tarred with the same stupid brush.

 

[Myxlpyxlx]

Some people lead charmed lives. Good catch.

 

[bluecat]

Unfortunately the public is huge and not all of them do their research prior to engaging in an activity. How many people know not to stick a knife in a toaster or not to pour water on a grease fire. A person doesn't know until they are told. Sadly, a lot of what we kno we take for granted that others should know them as well.

Sadly that is not the case.

 

[Deryan3]

Right place, right time. This person was very lucky you happened to be there.

 

[zelda]

He was very lucky you were there Baditude. Incidents like this are frightening.

Unfortunately this seems more and more commonplace for new and/or inexperienced vapers to be using mechanical mods and sub-ohming without any regard to safety. It's a battery you're putting near your face!! Nobody wants to see someone hurt while vaping.

 

[landoawd]

I almost avoided sub-ohm because I like my face (mostly) in-tact. A little bit of research, and a friend who sub-ohms, went a long way.

Kudos for helping the guy.

 

[SleeZy]

Another thing i've noticed is that alot of mech users doesn't even use an ohm reader or MM to check atty resistance, they just assume its the right ohm due looking on a coil-chart online.

I always try to explain for the new guys how serious sub-ohming can be. Most people tend to take it too lightly "meh i'm fine.." etc.
"I know what i'm doing" Following question from the same guy "How do i use the multimeter to test the battery condition?" I saw this in a thread some days ago. :-(

 

[asvaldr]

Thanks god you were there batitude, but it's too bad for the plastic surgeon though he lost one case of major face surgery[emoji6]

Well done in stopping another bad vaping newspaper article!

Even on this forum there are plenty of 'non-newbs' who don't have a clue what the hell they are doing when it comes to Mechs and rebuilding. Yesterday was a prime example: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/583157-coil-questions.html

I am not blaming the Youtube video vapers, but there are a lot of people that are trying to emulate their builds and results without knowing how to do it safely.

I appreciate the Darwin Awards, but I would rather that contenders for it were not Vapers, we don't want to all be tarred with the same stupid brush.

I have red that thread too it's a funny question i think lol i don't mean to judge btw

 

[p7willm]

It's a problem in general caused by the law suits that put warnings on coffee that it is hot.

There is not a whole lot I can buy and hurt myself with because of law suits. I bought the mod, the battery, the wire, and read somewhere how to make a coil. What could go wrong?

If you check a few simple things you will probably be just fine but people are starting to feel it is someone else's job to keep them safe.

God I feel better now.

My local B&M requires you to sign stating you understand the risks and hold them blameless, I don't think that will really help if someone hurts themselves and sues, before they sell any mechanical mod or rebuildable atty. They also push an ohm meter, not just because it is a sale, on anyone who wants to rebuild. They will do yoru first build for you, over .5 ohms only, and look at your next few builds to be sure you are as safe as possible.

 

[danca90]

Sub ohming new vapors are scary.

 

[Ryedan]

Sub ohming new vapors are scary.

Not if they do their research first and understand. I've seen some like that here. I've also seem some experienced vapers who think they understand but don't. I've also seen people with low post count or short time on ECF who have more experience and more accurate knowledge than some people with high post count or been here longer.

I'm aware of this stuff, but try not to generalize. That can really lead you quite wrong.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

That person in very lucky he ran into you.Thank you for helping him.

As far as that other thread goes, it boggles the mind.

 

[six]

Sort of reminds me of when the smoke tech dual coil cartos came out (and the triple coils shortly after)... A whole bunch of commonly used batteries became obsolete... and even a few commonly used PVs. A whole lot of questions were raised about device safety and the community learned quite a lot...

But it took a long time to sort out what was true and what was conjecture. And really , there is no way to educate everyone because not everyone uses forums like ECF and even those who do don't read every single thread. I'd bet there are folks reading some post on ECF right this minute that are happily vaping away on some just-barely-high-enough-ohm set up to not trip their protection circuit on their trustfire battery completely oblivious and think they are getting incredible performance and have no idea how much stress they are putting on their batt. They just know they only have to change batts every two days.

Good on you Baditude for keeping a fellow vaper safe.

 

[Susan~S]

And then there is this thread: kayfun sucks.. any suggestions on a rba that has a tank and produce lots of clouds

Now this is not about "safety", but I'd be willing to bet that this OP is clueless too.

 

[TheKiwi]

Well done in stopping another bad vaping newspaper article!

Even on this forum there are plenty of 'non-newbs' who don't have a clue what the hell they are doing when it comes to Mechs and rebuilding. Yesterday was a prime example: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/583157-coil-questions.html

I am not blaming the Youtube video vapers, but there are a lot of people that are trying to emulate their builds and results without knowing how to do it safely.

I appreciate the Darwin Awards, but I would rather that contenders for it were not Vapers, we don't want to all be tarred with the same stupid brush.

You're right. I think that's a heck of a problem I've seen a ton on ECF lately.

Folks who've dived right into sub-ohming and not knowing a thing about it. Unfortunately, they've been lucky enough to go on for a couple of months with no incidents, and then go on to think they're seasoned know-it-alls.

That fella whose thread you posted didn't even know the difference between a 0.8 and a 0.08 build :O

Gah.

Makes me mad just because the absolute last thing we need are people like that who are gonna lend ammunition to all the regulators.


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[Susan~S]

Very, very scary, for those who are uninformed, or who choose to be uninformed!

Exploding Mechanical Mod

 

[Susan~S]

You're right. I think that's a heck of a problem I've seen a ton on ECF lately.

Folks who've dived right into sub-ohming and not knowing a thing about it. Unfortunately, they've been lucky enough to go on for a couple of months with no incidents, and then go on to think they're seasoned know-it-alls.

And these same people jump right into "new member" threads and start recommending mech mods and RDA/RDA's (talking about sub-ohm builds) to someone who does not even have their "feet wet"!

Very frustrating!!! I often have to "bite my tongue", to keep from saying something I shouldn't.

 

[TheKiwi]

And these same people jump right into "new member" threads and start recommending RDA/RDA's (talking about sub-ohm builds) to someone who does not even have their "feet wet"!

Yeah. There's that.

So many times I've seen threads started by newbies asking about egos and cig-a-likes just to get started and hopefully off the ciggs, and a couple of fellas will pop in with a list of recommendations for mechs, RDAs and how "you can blow clouds with it"

Then there was also the one time, probably 4 or 5 months ago there was this fella sharing about his super sub ohm builds. When asked about the resistance, his answer was something along the lines of "I don't know. I just make sure that my MVP2 can't fire it so that I know I'm sub-ohming". Why do these kinda folks exist?!

There has got to be a way for the importance of safety to get out there to everyone. There just has got to be a way. Frowns.

Btw I have nothing against sub-ohming or cloud chasing. I sub-ohm half the time myself, and do find some giggly fun in blowing some "clouds" once in a blue moon. I just find it mindblowing and flabbergasting that there are people out there who are not in the least concerned about something that they put in their mouth or several inches off their face. I know I read everything I could, and then more, before I started vaping. Then I read more when I got into VV APVs. Then read even more and asked for help when I went into mech. Seems like a natural thing to do.


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