Being the Devil's Advocate Here : If you are vaping with Nicotine juice, you ARE still a "smoker"..

[Completely Average]

Would I say I have quit smoking?

No.

I believe that saying I've found an alternative to tobacco is more accurate. Sure, what I inhale and exhale isn't technically smoke, and it definitely doesn't contain the tar and thousands of carcinogens as tobacco, but I'm still puffing away, blowing clouds, and getting nicotine from it.

There are some big differences between ecig liquids and tobacco, but the difference between smoking and vaping is mostly semantics.

 

[wheelie]

@wheelie:
Yaaah! Are you trying to shame me for being at the top of the food chain and consuming innocent vegetables? It ain't gonna happen, neener neener - Although I do admit that I murder and devour innocent bell peppers in my more evil moments Yeah, me baaaad

 

[Mark Anthony]

I don't know about you, but my eJuice doesn't produce smoke, it produces vapor. I'm a vaper, not a smoker.

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This exactly^^^^^^^ Here we go again.....

 

[Cavediver]

My question, and which is what I thought this thread may have been about, is how do you list yourself on your insurance policies etc? If you list yourself as a non smoker then for whatever reason tests show nicotine, what then? I'm sure this has been covered somewhere but I haven't seen it yet.

In the future, I will list myself as a non-smoker, unless they specifically mention e-cigarettes or vaping. In the last insurance questionnaire I filled out, they went through the trouble of listing about a dozen things they considered smoking or tobacco use, and vaping was not among them. IMO, if they're going to go through the trouble to make a list that's so specific, I'll stick to the list

 

[BCRich2204]

I get that ciggies have all those disgusting chemicals and worse in them, I do understand that. But if you are just taking all that out, but still dependent on Nicotine, you ARE still a smoker, am I wrong?

I read through six pages of this thread. I don't know if you ever got what you're looking for. I do believe I know what you mean though.

I don't smoke any more. & I don't feel one bit guilty about vaping.

Once I quit smoking, by picking up dipping. I did feel guilty about that, because I was trading one bad habit for another. Instead of abusing my lungs, I was abusing my gums, lips, jawbone... People who didn't dip were bothered by me dipping almost as bad as they were if I were smoking right in front of them. The smell of my breath, even without a dip was nasty. The bottle I'd spit in, or the nearby ground I would spit on.... pretty nasty. Even the wad of gunk I'd throw in the trash would keep on giving long after I left the room.

But vaping... I'm not affecting the people around me one bit, even if I were to vape right in front of them. Most of the stuff I vape have a very nice aroma & doesn't linger very long. There are no cigarette butts, or wads of nicotine, or spit, or any leftover by products whatsoever.

I am still addicted to nicotine & I don't think that's a good thing. One of the main reason I wanted to quit smoking (even though I loved smoking) was that I didn't want to be addicted... I don't care how "good" nicotine may be for you, I don't want to be addicted. I got myself down to 7 cigarettes a day, took me several years to get there, but I couldn't get lower after several years... until I started vaping.

At least with vaping, I can manage my nicotine intake a little better. I vape 0 nic most of the time now. I've got a rig set up with 11mg nicotine that I hit from time to time. I've only been doing this for about a week & I think I'm going in the right direction. I'm constantly hitting my vape, the 0 nic, I'm probably at 3~5 ml/day. But I only hit that 11 mg pipe twice yesterday (already hit it once today)... so, we'll see.

I suggest if you are having "personal" issues with vaping, start cutting back on the nicotine. It's obviously an issue for you, as it is for me. Some people don't think of it that way & there's nothing wrong with that. Vaping will greatly reduce their risk of lung cancer & they're not going to rot their jawbone away. To each his own. Do what you need to do & don't worry about what those snobby people call it.

 

[BCRich2204]

...unless they specifically mention e-cigarettes or vaping.

speaking of which, I think I'm past the point of calling this thing an ecig. What I'm using now looks & feels nothing like a cigarette. & I'm not using smokeless tobacco.

I'm going to go with PV, or mod.

 

[BCRich2204]

It worries me that some of the comments here have bordered on being rude and many have been filled with a righteous tone...

Yeah, I mean to apologize to the OP for those comments... but from our P.O.V. she has to understand how insulting it is to say, "You haven't quit smoking." when we wear our banners proudly in our sigs stating that we have in fact, quit.

Doesn't really matter how many "Devil's advocates" you throw out there. It would have been better to say, "Guys, I don't know what to say when they tell me I didn't "really" quit. I kinda agree with them."

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I don't smoke anymore. Smoking is not defined by the presence of nicotine. It's defined by lighting tobacco on fire and inhaling the smoke, which I do not do anymore. Vapor is not smoke. It is a combination of liquid nicotine, PG, VG and flavorings. If the presence of nicotine is all that it takes to be called smoking, then wouldn't the gum and the patch also be considered smoking? Further, just because China came up with it, that doesn't mean it's automatically going to be bad for you. China came up with a lot of great things throughout history.

As for whether or not vaping is bad or good for us, does it matter if we wouldn't have stopped smoking without e-cigarettes? It's harm reduction. I don't think there could be any possible way this could be worse then inhaling smoke, or even equal to inhaling smoke. I know this is ancedotal evidence, but I was healthier this winter then I have been during any winter in the last 15 years. I didn't need antibiotics at all. Even though I never smoked in the house with my children, they must have still been exposed to it when we came in and out of the house when my husband and I were smoking. Every cold they had lead to antibiotics in previous years, and this year they needed none. I'm no longer winded while I'm chasing them around, my sense of taste and smell have returned, and my doctor has commented on how much better my lungs sound overall. When I first switched, I know the cells in my lungs regained some functionality, as I coughed up quite a lot of some rather disgusting looking stuff for a week or so. This side effect from quitting smoking is common among those who quit using the patch, gum, Chantix, cold turkey.... Seems like there's plenty of evidence that this is better then smoking, regardless of whether it's as safe as just breathing fresh air or not, so we're all still better off then we were when we were smoking.

 

[trentenmarschel]

Would I say I have quit smoking?

No.

I believe that saying I've found an alternative to tobacco is more accurate. Sure, what I inhale and exhale isn't technically smoke, and it definitely doesn't contain the tar and thousands of carcinogens as tobacco, but I'm still puffing away, blowing clouds, and getting nicotine from it.

There are some big differences between ecig liquids and tobacco, but the difference between smoking and vaping is mostly semantics.

so many ways this statement is just not right at all like lets say you meet with a dark alley prostitute for years get many std and what not then one day you find the love of your life and get a real girl friend. so your still gonna tell your buddies your sleeping with the back alley prostitue because hey sex is just sex right your not married yet so she is still a prostitute. sorry best way i could think to explain this.

 

[Penn]

Would I say I have quit smoking?

No.

I believe that saying I've found an alternative to tobacco is more accurate. Sure, what I inhale and exhale isn't technically smoke, and it definitely doesn't contain the tar and thousands of carcinogens as tobacco, but I'm still puffing away, blowing clouds, and getting nicotine from it.

There are some big differences between ecig liquids and tobacco, but the difference between smoking and vaping is mostly semantics.

No. It is not just semantics (not even "mostly"). Ironically you even present part of the argument of why it isn't.

There are arguments you can make for similarities, such as inhaling a visible cloud and nicotine usage, but that isn't what was initially stated n this thread and this differences are strong enough to make the words entirely different.

I find it humorous how people incorrectly claim semantics, strawman argument and red herring on the internet. Why is that?

Edit - If you were to claim vaping is still using a tobacco product because currently the nicotine comes from tobacco I would still disagree with the statement but would agree it is semantics. Maybe that clarifies my view since the rest of this thread didn't seem to impress the understanding of difference upon at least 2 people.

 

[Vaslovik]

I find it disturbing and troubling that ECF has been increasingly infiltrated by those who are not on our side and post garbage like this. Obviously there is a serious anti-vaping political agenda afoot. I see such people posting here more and more since I registered on this site last July, and it seems clear we are interfering with someone's revenues quite seriously, and they want that stopped, so the anti-vaping propaganda is growing on ECF, and other vaping forums as well. Must be the taxes on tobacco have dropped off unacceptably for some.

 

[mare ze dotes]

I am not a smoker.

 

[Completely Average]

so many ways this statement is just not right at all like lets say you meet with a dark alley prostitute for years get many std and what not then one day you find the love of your life and get a real girl friend. so your still gonna tell your buddies your sleeping with the back alley prostitue because hey sex is just sex right your not married yet so she is still a prostitute. sorry best way i could think to explain this.

What kind of drugs are you putting in your ecig that made you think that analogy made any sense at all?

Let's say you visit prostitutes. You risk the STDs and everything that goes with prostitution. You call these visits "having sex".

Now let's say you get married. You only have sex with one woman and all of the health concerns of having sex with prostitutes is gone. You now call your activity with your wife "making love."

But is "making love" really any different from "having sex" other than the change in risk?

 

[Completely Average]

No. It is not just semantics (not even "mostly"). Ironically you even present part of the argument of why it isn't.

There are arguments you can make for similarities, such as inhaling a visible cloud and nicotine usage, but that isn't what was initially stated n this thread and this differences are strong enough to make the words entirely different.

I find it humorous how people incorrectly claim semantics, strawman argument and red herring on the internet. Why is that?

Edit - If you were to claim vaping is still using a tobacco product because currently the nicotine comes from tobacco I would still disagree with the statement but would agree it is semantics. Maybe that clarifies my view since the rest of this thread didn't seem to impress the understanding of difference upon at least 2 people.

Do you even know what the word Semantics means? I suggest you look it up, because NOTHING you said denies it's an argument of semantics.

Allow me to point out just how much of an argument of semantics it really is....

Let's say you're using NET juices. Naturally Extracted TOBACCO.

You cannot deny you're using a tobacco product. You cannot deny that you are inhaling nicotine. You cannot deny that you are bringing an object to your mouth, drawing in a heated, vaporized, tobacco product, inhaling it, and exhaling a visible cloud of particles that includes nicotine and tobacco byproducts in it.


Now, let's take this a bit further, shall we?

The definition of smoke is "a visible suspension of carbon or other particles in air"
The definition of vapor is "substance diffused or suspended in the air"

In otherwords, the difference between smoke and vapor is purely semantic. By definition smoke and vapor can be the exact same thing. The primary difference according to their definitions is that smoke is visible and vapor may or may not be visible. Since our vapor is visible it can be accurately called smoke.


And for the record....

The definition of Semantics as it applies to this discussion is:

"the language used (as in advertising or political propaganda) to achieve a desired effect on an audience especially through the use of words with novel or dual meanings "

An example of this would be "I don't smoke, I vape, and that's different because ecig users don't want to be labeled as smokers" which is really all it boils down to.

 

[mare ze dotes]

I have never boiled a pot of water and had it smoke. That may be a staring point. I have never burned a camp fire and had it fog.

 

[Ay Dee Jay]

A vaper. Smoking is not vaping. You're missing a critical distinction between them. Yes nicotine is a drug with addictive potential. No, inhaling it in a cloud of vapor is not the same thing as smoking. You have a lot of reading to do

 

[BCRich2204]

What kind of drugs are you putting in your ecig...

We can do that?

 

[volume control]

Im really confused by this thread, you could say "you are still an addict" and fine, I am, but I am not "smoking", its vapor...

 

[Ay Dee Jay]

I don't say that I've quit smoking or call myself a vaper to be honest, I just tell people that I switched to e-cigs. If they're really interested in I'll show them egos and mods, but I also like having some White Cloud Minis around just to make it easier to understand. But yeah, I did quit smoking tobacco. I don't light tobacco on fire and smoke it. There's a huge difference. This is why medical ......... gets a lot of flack, because many people choose to smoke it rather than vaporizing it, consuming extracts, etc. Ultimately it's up to the user to decide...but there is an obvious difference. As an MMJ user who has access to all consumption methods, I can tell you that smoking is a fast track to bronchitis for someone who consumes on a medical "scale" and vaping is not. It's a clear distinction.

 

[Completely Average]

I have never boiled a pot of water and had it smoke. That may be a staring point. I have never burned a camp fire and had it fog.

If you could see the steam from boiling water that could be called smoke.

I have burned metal and had it turn to vapor.


Again, you're making an argument of semantics. You're trying to make a distinction based on two words with the same meaning. By definition any visible vapor is smoke.