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[Imfallen_Angel]

So here we are today...

Cotton tasting contests as the ancient ones once did with wine...

I shall ask, who, WHO will be the challenger who will be able to properly identify the provenance of the cotton, the year, the country, province, field even, if the cotton picker wore gloves and by which insect was the flower fertilized, how much rain fell that year on that field, and which nuance from the soil can be tasted.

 

[DaveP]

After more than a year of use I'm part way through a bag of the Amazon Koh Gen Do in the Rip Trippers video. It's great stuff, whether you peel the outer skin or not. It's cleaner than Sally's cotton roll, although I've used lots of that, too. I need to try the Scottish roll method.
Rayon didn't grow on me after several tries. I'll eventually find the sweet spot in wicking with Rayon, but the cotton just comes natural.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

I just want to add that I've got some of this stuff, which, according to the reviews where it's compared to the Koh Gen Do ones, it appears to not just hold up against it but outdoes it.

$8.67 Authentic Puff Rectangle Organic Cotton Wick for RDA RTA RBA Atomizers (200-Piece) 200-pack - 60*50mm at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Ah HA, what do I win?

But anyways... I've been finally using it (I had a bunch of small packages from a bunch of provenance to use up first) and it's quite fine, not much difference between it and BaconV2 and such I find.. some cotton do taste a bit much at first, but again, once broken in, I can't taste the cotton after a few minute's worth of vaping. Guess I need to leave Prof. X's school of the gifted.

 

[r055co]

I hear people say this cotton tastes so much better then this one, or rayon taste so much better then this or that. I have used a dozen different types of wicking materials and if wicked properly they are close. I garranty if multiple exact tanks were wicked properly with various cottons and rayon, all with the same juice, 99 percent would never know which were which in a blind taste test. I'm not saying that there aren't subtle difference in flavor between cottons but for one to taste terrible or really nasty has to be a fault of some sort.

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Trust me I can taste it and tried it multiple times. Like I said I don't like the taste and especially the dry throat it gives.

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[Str8vision]

A few years ago I bought and tried various wicking materials. Among those tried was a big box of Rayon (from Sally's) but I didn't care for the way it performed or tasted with NETs (Naturally Extracted Tobacco) which is what I vape. I preferred the performance and taste of certain types of cotton better. So the big box of Rayon sat in my vape cabinet occupying space and gathering dust, I considered giving it away on several occasions. Then, by chance, I watched a documentary on how Rayon is manufactured (chemically synthesized) from regenerated cellulose, especially taking note of the caustic, highly toxic chemicals that are required to do this. To be fair, for all I know the finished product might be perfectly safe to use but...no thanks, not for me. The big box no longer occupies space in my vape cabinet, I tossed it out.

We -are- heating the wicking material to 400F + and then directly inhaling the vapor that's produced from it, so I have similar concerns with using just any cotton. I certainly don't want pesticides, herbicides, chlorine bleach, Teflon or any other chemicals contaminating my wicking material so I look for organic, chemical free cotton. Oddly enough I found there were noticeable differences in flavor between the various organic cottons. Of those I've tried I like the chemical free, organic Japanese cottons the best. I've yet to try organically grown native cotton like BlueMoods has been using, but if I find some I'll definitely give it a try.

 

[Foggy Road]

The only cotton I ever bought was KGD. Then I started getting a bunch of free cotton along with rebuildables that I bought. Got a pack of twenty cotton pads free with the first Kanthal I bought. Already had cotton cheesecloth so that cost me nuthin. Think I spent $1.50 for a skein of cotton yarn at Wal-Mart. All worked well enuf,all the same to me.
Only thing I ever really couldn't deal with Was the first time I tried Rayon! Tasted exactly like a Curad Band-Aid smells! Must've had something on my hands I guess cuz I tried that same rayon again a couple of months later and haven't used anything else since! I just make sure to wash my hands before rewicking. SS and Rayon = the cleanest taste that I've experienced and I Vape very light flavor or no flavor.

 

[vapdivrr]

So here we are today...

Cotton tasting contests as the ancient ones once did with wine...

I shall ask, who, WHO will be the challenger who will be able to properly identify the provenance of the cotton, the year, the country, province, field even, if the cotton picker wore gloves and by which insect was the flower fertilized, how much rain fell that year on that field, and which nuance from the soil can be tasted.

[emoji14]

I would like to see that... let say if some use 2 different types of wicking material , yes after a while you will detect slight differences in taste and wicking, but I firmly believe that if those 2 that they are using were added to maybe 5 other types of wicks in a taste test with exact juices and tanks, they would have a hard time distinguishing the 2 that they use.

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[vapdivrr]

The only cotton I ever bought was KGD. Then I started getting a bunch of free cotton along with rebuildables that I bought. Got a pack of twenty cotton pads free with the first Kanthal I bought. Already had cotton cheesecloth so that cost me nuthin. Think I spent $1.50 for a skein of cotton yarn at Wal-Mart. All worked well enuf,all the same to me.
Only thing I ever really couldn't deal with Was the first time I tried Rayon! Tasted exactly like a Curad Band-Aid smells! Must've had something on my hands I guess cuz I tried that same rayon again a couple of months later and haven't used anything else since! I just make sure to wash my hands before rewicking. SS and Rayon = the cleanest taste that I've experienced and I Vape very light flavor or no flavor.

Yep dirty hands can definitely transfer to wick . About rayon, there is differences in the wicking process compared to cotton, with cotton you can get away with a fairly light amount, but rayon needs to have a bit more thru the coil. If you wick cotton on the light side and did the same with rayon, you will get an off taste for sure. Also the tails with rayon should be on the thin or light side. With rayon I put a fair amount thru coil then trim the tails by 1/3.

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[kiba]

Rayon or kgd/muji

And yeah, clean the crap off your hands before you touch it. That applies to any wick even mesh.

 

[vapdivrr]

A few years ago I bought and tried various wicking materials. Among those tried was a big box of Rayon (from Sally's) but I didn't care for the way it performed or tasted with NETs (Naturally Extracted Tobacco) which is what I vape. I preferred the performance and taste of certain types of cotton better. So the big box of Rayon sat in my vape cabinet occupying space and gathering dust, I considered giving it away on several occasions. Then, by chance, I watched a documentary on how Rayon is manufactured (chemically synthesized) from regenerated cellulose, especially taking note of the caustic, highly toxic chemicals that are required to do this. To be fair, for all I know the finished product might be perfectly safe to use but...no thanks, not for me. The big box no longer occupies space in my vape cabinet, I tossed it out.

We -are- heating the wicking material to 400F + and then directly inhaling the vapor that's produced from it, so I have similar concerns with using just any cotton. I certainly don't want pesticides, herbicides, chlorine bleach, Teflon or any other chemicals contaminating my wicking material so I look for organic, chemical free cotton. Oddly enough I found there were noticeable differences in flavor between the various organic cottons. Of those I've tried I like the chemical free, organic Japanese cottons the best. I've yet to try organically grown native cotton like BlueMoods has been using, but if I find some I'll definitely give it a try.

So the cotton you prefer is naturally grown? Nothing added to it at all in the fields? Cotton is no safer then rayon fibers, and it is a known fact that burning cotton is toxic if burned and inhaled. There are so many things in vaping that could be dangerous , how about the coils we use? Any of the metals we use as coils can be toxic if used improperly. And nicotine, do you know how that's made and how toxic that can be? Juices can also contain things that can be considered bad for you, so if your worried about things being bad for you, you have more to worry about then just the wicking material. Personally I don't think any wicking material is bad unless you vape it without juice on it, a properly wet wick at the correct power level is what each needs to do to ensure safety regardless of the material. In the end, vaping has done miracles to my health in the almost 7 years I have been vaping, it truly is amazing how much better I feel overall. Health is very important, no doubt, but whats with vaping that gets people more scared then cigarettes? When people smoked, they just smoked, but when they start vaping, there now worried about everything to do with it


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[kiba]

So, question... We're applying heat to a wick, rayon for example... say we're using TC and keep it below the burning temperature (400 or so) doea it really matter in that case what the wick is made out of?

I mean as long as it doesn't have pesticides or chemicals on it that can leach into juice.

 

[David Wolf]

So here we are today...

Cotton tasting contests as the ancient ones once did with wine...

I shall ask, who, WHO will be the challenger who will be able to properly identify the provenance of the cotton, the year, the country, province, field even, if the cotton picker wore gloves and by which insect was the flower fertilized, how much rain fell that year on that field, and which nuance from the soil can be tasted.

My last batch of Cotton Bacon V2 had a slight yet fresh air earthiness which easily allowed me to identify it as originating from lot# 47629, bale #45, grown in the fertile soil of Ben Wilson's plot, lower Mississippi delta, in the Year of Our Lord 2016.

 

[SteveS45]

My last batch of Cotton Bacon V2 had a slight yet fresh air earthiness which easily allowed me to identify it as originating from lot# 47629, bale #45, grown in the fertile soil of Ben Wilson's plot, lower Mississippi delta, in the Year of Our Lord 2016.

Now that is freakin funny as all sheet! LOMBO

 

[ChelsB]

Rayon or kgd/muji

And yeah, clean the crap off your hands before you touch it. That applies to any wick even mesh.

Is there a difference between KGD and muji other than the size of the pad?


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[ChelsB]

My last batch of Cotton Bacon V2 had a slight yet fresh air earthiness which easily allowed me to identify it as originating from lot# 47629, bale #45, grown in the fertile soil of Ben Wilson's plot, lower Mississippi delta, in the Year of Our Lord 2016.

LOL, I love it! Thanks for the chuckle!


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[Tonee N]

My last batch of Cotton Bacon V2 had a slight yet fresh air earthiness which easily allowed me to identify it as originating from lot# 47629, bale #45, grown in the fertile soil of Ben Wilson's plot, lower Mississippi delta, in the Year of Our Lord 2016.

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[Alter]

IMO Rayon is the only way to go. It doesn't scorch like cotton does, take a well spent rayon build and after a rinse the rayon is still white and not scorched, cotton becomes black, burnt and the fibers plug up with gunk.
Rayon doesn't absorb like cotton does, the juice flows outside the rayon fiber so it doesn't expand and it settles upon itself enough to be called shrinking thats why you have to wick it super tight in the coil then thin out the tails by scraping through the tails to remove bulk. You choke a rayon build with too much/thick tail cause the juice can't get through to the coil. The juice in cotton runs inside the fiber thus expanding the fiber.
If you get a breakin taste with rayon then its wicked wrong. I get no taste at all with my rayon builds no matter if its a .2 SS build to my wife's 1.4ohm clapton. I found the biggest problem is having the top of the end wraps not fully covered in wicking from tails being too short so I cut the tail length a bit longer than needed and push it back to be sure the end wraps have wicking touching especially the top of the end wrap.
I have not as of yet had a dry hit from rayon to say how bad it could taste. Cotton...yes and its nasty.
As I said before that cotton fiber will plug up from probably heated juice and clog thus beginning to give drier hits and having to change wicking so often cause the juice flows inside the fiber. Rayon outlasts cotton to the point of having a heavily cocooned coil that still produces a satisfactory vape and you taste the burnt cocoon long before you taste spent rayon.... the opposite of cotton that looses performance before the coil is cocooned enough to taste the burnt cocoon.
The trick with rayon is having the tails thinned enough(1/3-1/2 removed) to provide a good juice flow and the coil so tight you almost deform it while wicking, some say to make the rayon squeak as your pulling it through the coil....and yes you can make it squeak.

 

[David Wolf]

IMO Rayon is the only way to go. It doesn't scorch like cotton does, take a well spent rayon build and after a rinse the rayon is still white and not scorched, cotton becomes black, burnt and the fibers plug up with gunk.
Rayon doesn't absorb like cotton does, the juice flows outside the rayon fiber so it doesn't expand and it settles upon itself enough to be called shrinking thats why you have to wick it super tight in the coil then thin out the tails by scraping through the tails to remove bulk. You choke a rayon build with too much/thick tail cause the juice can't get through to the coil. The juice in cotton runs inside the fiber thus expanding the fiber.
If you get a breakin taste with rayon then its wicked wrong. I get no taste at all with my rayon builds no matter if its a .2 SS build to my wife's 1.4ohm clapton. I found the biggest problem is having the top of the end wraps not fully covered in wicking from tails being too short so I cut the tail length a bit longer than needed and push it back to be sure the end wraps have wicking touching especially the top of the end wrap.
I have not as of yet had a dry hit from rayon to say how bad it could taste. Cotton...yes and its nasty.
As I said before that cotton fiber will plug up from probably heated juice and clog thus beginning to give drier hits and having to change wicking so often cause the juice flows inside the fiber. Rayon outlasts cotton to the point of having a heavily cocooned coil that still produces a satisfactory vape and you taste the burnt cocoon long before you taste spent rayon.... the opposite of cotton that looses performance before the coil is cocooned enough to taste the burnt cocoon.
The trick with rayon is having the tails thinned enough(1/3-1/2 removed) to provide a good juice flow and the coil so tight you almost deform it while wicking, some say to make the rayon squeak as your pulling it through the coil....and yes you can make it squeak.

Well you make me want to try it Rayon again, I still have some. I will say though that my cotton is white after I rinse it, its only the portion directly under my spaced coil windings that tends to remain somewhat darkened. I will be surprised if I don't see the same results with rayon - but I have to test, that's just me, lol. I did think I detected a taste requiring break in with Rayon, but it may have been specific to what I was using. I will try it again though, this time in a CLR coil, that should be interesting.

 

[Alter]

Well you make me want to try it Rayon again, I still have some. I will say though that my cotton is white after I rinse it, its only the portion directly under my spaced coil windings that tends to remain somewhat darkened. I will be surprised if I don't see the same results with rayon - but I have to test, that's just me, lol. I did think I detected a taste requiring break in with Rayon, but it may have been specific to what I was using. I will try it again though, this time in a CLR coil, that should be interesting.

Well.. darkened I do say is a good word and yes it will darken some. I use only spaced coil builds, contact coils just never worked as good as spaced for me.
I can put 200+mls of my DIY hangsen tobacco(6% flavoring) juices through a build. My wife can run 100-150+ mls but her juice has 1% cotton candy in it so 5% flavoring, mine has no sweeteners.
IMO the biggest mistake people make is wicking rayon like cotton and that turns them off rayon mighty fast.
There is one thing that all my cotton info came from readings...I first used cotton in protanks then within a month or so I read that hemp fiber from seeing it in a coop in here that it is a better wicking material and by luck I scored the last one. I used hemp for year and half building protanks and kayfuns. Once I read up on rayon I was coming to the end of my kayfun days and getting into subtank mini's. Nothing short of awesome vape experience using subtank RBA's and rayon for the last almost 2 years and now recently discovered SS and TC......found a new level of vape nirvana.

 

[Tonee N]

Well you make me want to try it Rayon again, I still have some. I will say though that my cotton is white after I rinse it, its only the portion directly under my spaced coil windings that tends to remain somewhat darkened. I will be surprised if I don't see the same results with rayon - but I have to test, that's just me, lol. I did think I detected a taste requiring break in with Rayon, but it may have been specific to what I was using. I will try it again though, this time in a CLR coil, that should be interesting.

I only use 3000tc Egyptian Cotton or Silk.[emoji1]

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