Best tobacco for flavor extraction

[MSK421]

Late night TV, credit card, and internet access not a good combination!
I could not resist Briar Works Back Down South....even comes with it's own extraction jar. Check out Briar Works offerings over at p&c. Bacon flavor anyone? Actually sounds great by description but how does it extract? The "sprayed on" flavorings I shy away from....but that's just me.

 

[nostradadus]

The "sprayed on" flavorings I shy away from....but that's just me.

I look at "cased" tobaccos as the lazy man's version of hybrid mixing.

My favorite so far would be the Gawith and Hoggarth ~ Black Twist Sliced, due to the traditional English flavors such as licorice, maple and Tonquin. This extraction knocked me outta my chair when I took my first hit; Very tasty! The Tonquin flavor is practically indescribable, since I've never tasted anything like it before in my life.

I had a nice surprise the other day, when I wrapped up an extraction on some Peter Stokkebye 24 Nougat; the top dressing of vanilla and chocolate really made it through to the flavor of the vape. I was very pleased, since previous extraction of other tobaccos did not yield the cased flavors (i.e. C&D Bob Bushman (coconut) and Sutliff Sunset Rum (rum). Perhaps, I did not allow them to steep long enough?

 

[Rickb119]

Broke out 3 that I've had in the cupboard for about 10 weeks.

McClelland #2015 Virginia Flake and Perique: Very mild. Not a great deal of flavor but what's there is good. I think this would make a good base to add other, stronger extracts to.

Peter Stokkebye 84 Turkish: Reminds me a lot of a mix I used to make with Hangsen Virginia and just a touch of FA Apricot. However, this is much better and more natural tasting.

Cornell & Diehl Old Joe Krantz: VERY GOOD! Well rounded and full of flavor! I get a hint of cocoa (and lot's of goodness ) on the exhale. It's also on sale now at P&S. (15% off).

 

[67Tele]

Cornell & Diehl Old Joe Krantz: VERY GOOD! Well rounded and full of flavor! I get a hint of cocoa (and lot's of goodness ) on the exhale. It's also on sale now at P&S. (15% off)

I keep forgetting to get that one. Thanks!

 

[MSK421]

But....Wait.....order now......they'll send you an extraction jar!

Now extraction begins the same day as delivery!

 

[checkum]

One of my favorite extractions to go to, when I need a change, is "Autumn Evening." However, a new extraction of C&D's Autumn Evening has little in common with one made over a year ago. Unfortunately it has less of the flavor I so enjoyed.

 

[Mr Steeps]

One of my favorite extractions to go to, when I need a change, is "Autumn Evening." However, a new extraction of C&D's Autumn Evening has little in common with one made over a year ago. Unfortunately it has less of the flavor I so enjoyed.

I recently filtered my extract of Autumn Evening... it smells fantastic and I'm enjoying the maple flavouring as a change of pace... looking forward to mixing a few variations, maybe adding a dash of latakia to give it a little extra something.

 

[Mr Steeps]

Cornell & Diehl Old Joe Krantz: VERY GOOD! Well rounded and full of flavor! I get a hint of cocoa (and lot's of goodness ) on the exhale. It's also on sale now at P&S. (15% off).

Filtered mine and about to mix it up! Is yours a cold maceration Rick?

 

[Rickb119]

Filtered mine and about to mix it up! Is yours a cold maceration Rick?

Mine is the 12 hour alcohol cook, mixed shortly after filtering and steeped for about 10 weeks.

 

[Mr Steeps]

Mine is the 12 hour alcohol cook, mixed shortly after filtering and steeped for about 10 weeks.

Ah gotcha, was thinking 10 weeks was quite short if you were cold macerating so wondered if you had some secret I went with heat for half and will be cold macerating the rest for the next few months.

 

[stols001]

If I were to NET (it's not outside the realm of possibility) I'd probably use american spirit tobacco as it's additive free (supposedly) and it would've tasted JUST like what I smoked.... I believe it would be a tad bit cheaper than whole leaf tobacco, but even cigars and pipe tobacco have nasties in them.... So I'd go with one or the other, personally. That said, if someone wants to NET a pack of Marlboros? To each his own.

Anna

 

[Rickb119]

If I were to NET (it's not outside the realm of possibility) I'd probably use american spirit tobacco as it's additive free (supposedly) and it would've tasted JUST like what I smoked.... I believe it would be a tad bit cheaper than whole leaf tobacco, but even cigars and pipe tobacco have nasties in them.... So I'd go with one or the other, personally. That said, if someone wants to NET a pack of Marlboros? To each his own.

Anna

One of my favorites (I have about 10, depending on the day ) is made using American Spirit Perique tobacco.

I too smoked AS. Non-filtered packs, until they started with the carpet glue in the paper. Then, RYO for a few more years until I started vaping.

Personally, I don't think that any vape (NET or otherwise) tastes like a cigarette. However, I've have a few people (vapers and non-vapers) try the AS NET and they all say that it tastes like a cigarette. Maybe I've just been away from the stinkies so long I've forgotten what they taste like.

I've only tried one whole leaf tobacco extract. I believe it was called bright leaf Virginia. Pretty bland.

 

[MSK421]

If I were to NET (it's not outside the realm of possibility) I'd probably use american spirit tobacco as it's additive free (supposedly) and it would've tasted JUST like what I smoked.... I believe it would be a tad bit cheaper than whole leaf tobacco, but even cigars and pipe tobacco have nasties in them.... So I'd go with one or the other, personally. That said, if someone wants to NET a pack of Marlboros? To each his own.

Anna

American spirit tobacco is additive free as is pipe and cigar tobaccos. Always exception to every rule! The pipe/cigar that have flavor added are usually just that flavoring ie peach, rum, ect. Most are made by blending different tobaccos not by spraying on additives. Cigarettes are the only tobacco product that is allowed to add 450+ different chemicals that adds nothing to the smoking experience except addiction. Extracted, those chemicals are leached into extract at different ratios only allowing a chemical taste/deadly combo.
If this thread had been read one would notice that the flavored tobaccos are hit and miss with extraction process. The pipe/cigar tobaccos do not have any of the chemicals that are used in commercial cigarettes. The RYO (RollYourOwn) cigarette tobaccos do NOT have those chemical additives making it a healthier/cheaper alternative.
No one will ever get the flavor/taste of smoking from vaporizing. Dry smoke / moist vapor and combustion burns off most of the flavor except the most pungent flavor(s).
I've ryo and smoked cohiba cigars before starting to vape. I have extracted both of those tobaccos that used to be smoked and found that the flavor/experience to be much richer. Different, yes. Better, yes. (IMO)
Your experience/milage will vary!

 

[stols001]

Huh, I thought some cigars had additives, but I don't know so much about cigars... I was mostly joking about AS tobacco being "exactly the same," I've tried commercially made NETs and then just tobacco flavors and universally didn't like them much, though I'm sure times have changed and whatnot... I really, really doubt that ALL roll your own tobacco doesn't contain additives, people seem to have JUST as hard a time coming off those as cigarettes, if not more... I did check and some of the way cheap loose tobacco (pipe or not) has chemicals in it unless you specifically buy your own that is additive free. With that said, I'd probaby do an NET for fun (if I did) and see how it tasted to me after not smoking for a while. I do use a tiny bit of WTA in my vape (occasionally, as I transition off cigs) with no flavoring and I do like the added taste of that. If it's that, (I buy unflavored) and not just all the alkaloids....

I don't want the flavor of cigs at this point, much, but I do think it might be interesting to try and vape what I used to smoke. Maybe. Thank you for the info, MSK.

Anna

 

[Mr Steeps]

Despite never smoking a pipe, my pipe tobacco extracts have been far and away the most enjoyable. I agree with Rick regarding the whole leaf, extracted quite a few and results were pretty underwhelming, although I will return to them at some point just in case they improve over time.

 

[MSK421]

Huh, I thought some cigars had additives, but I don't know so much about cigars... I was mostly joking about AS tobacco being "exactly the same," I've tried commercially made NETs and then just tobacco flavors and universally didn't like them much, though I'm sure times have changed and whatnot... I really, really doubt that ALL roll your own tobacco doesn't contain additives, people seem to have JUST as hard a time coming off those as cigarettes, if not more... I did check and some of the way cheap loose tobacco (pipe or not) has chemicals in it unless you specifically buy your own that is additive free. With that said, I'd probaby do an NET for fun (if I did) and see how it tasted to me after not smoking for a while. I do use a tiny bit of WTA in my vape (occasionally, as I transition off cigs) with no flavoring and I do like the added taste of that. If it's that, (I buy unflavored) and not just all the alkaloids....

I don't want the flavor of cigs at this point, much, but I do think it might be interesting to try and vape what I used to smoke. Maybe. Thank you for the info, MSK.

Anna

Cigars do contain additives. 40-50% do (guesstimate) when flavors like banana, peach, rum ect. are added. RYOs/ Pipe tobacco are the same. Usually only additives are the said flavorings. You will never find ammonia, formaldehyde, ect.. as an additive as you will on any cigarette tobacco (loose or rolled). Note: labeled as CIG tobacco can contain 450+ nonflavoring chemicals.
Any chemical addiction is hard to break be it pills, alcohol, and cigs. It's the chemicals in the cigs not the tobacco that helps/causes addiction.
When I started vaping I did only fruit flavors. I did not only smoke for my addiction but for the different flavor/taste of different tobaccos be it ciggs/cigars/pipe. After "known" addiction was broke I found the "hand to mouth" action missed proper flavor; tobacco. MELs synthetic tobacco offerings are great but to myself just lacked something. I found NET suppliers then did some research. Started DIY NETs without even trying the offerings from those suppliers. Glad I did....more rewarding.
Cheap cheap cheap.... Shut-up bird!

 

[checkum]

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[usr/]

I look at "cased" tobaccos as the lazy man's version of hybrid mixing.

My favorite so far would be the Gawith and Hoggarth ~ Black Twist Sliced, due to the traditional English flavors such as licorice, maple and Tonquin. This extraction knocked me outta my chair when I took my first hit; Very tasty! The Tonquin flavor is practically indescribable, since I've never tasted anything like it before in my life.

I had a nice surprise the other day, when I wrapped up an extraction on some Peter Stokkebye 24 Nougat; the top dressing of vanilla and chocolate really made it through to the flavor of the vape. I was very pleased, since previous extraction of other tobaccos did not yield the cased flavors (i.e. C&D Bob Bushman (coconut) and Sutliff Sunset Rum (rum). Perhaps, I did not allow them to steep long enough?

Not much on flavors anymore but the SG 1792 is a very good flavor for me, the Tonquin flavor was rather pleasent, as was GH Dark Birds Eye, which extracted (PGA), a flavor very much similar to DNB which I can't mix without. I love that stuff.

 

[67Tele]

Smoking Popes

From now until August 2nd, all Peter Stokkebye Bulk is 20% off! Enjoy!

 

[MSK421]

Smoking Popes !

Smoking popes that punk band from Chicago or smoking pipes?
Never mind, the popes smoke but I'm guessing it's not tobacco.
Thanks for the heads up