I've thought about a passthrough but I don't think I'll need one unless I decide to go higher voltage.... I don't think most of the juices I prefer would taste good at 5v though.
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I've thought about a passthrough but I don't think I'll need one unless I decide to go higher voltage.... I don't think most of the juices I prefer would taste good at 5v though.
I have used them before and sometimes it does make a difference in flavor. Might be worth a shot to try.
Well you see I got this batch of cartos and they were only 2.5 but they made my cappuccino juice taste burnt and my slurm.... not sure how to put it... not burnt but I didn't like it. My other juices were ok in them.
See, that's a major problem I have with the one-size-fits-all, lumping of smoking into all the other harmful drugs logic.
No one ever ODed in a single sitting from smoking too much (long term effects notwithstanding). Smoking doesn't impair your ability to drive, or impair your judgement such that you would do things you normally wouldn't do. People don't ruin their lives, lose their jobs, or harm their families directly due to the effects of smoking. People don't go to cigar bars, then go home and beat their wives and kids because they've had too much to smoke.
I believe that that form of drug/alchohol addiction therapy is valid and highly successful, because it focuses strictly on the single drug, or combination of drug abuses, along with the psychological or emotional issues that may also exist. I would hazard a guess that it is overwhelmingly more successful for those drugs than when applied to smoking cessation.
Smoking is arguably the most tenacious addiction there is, not simply because of nicotine addiction, but because of all the other complex elements and dependancies involved in smoking. It deserves it's own category, and treatments tailored specifically to smoking cessation, not a generic "you're addicted to X, use this cure" approach.
That, at least, is my opinion on it.
(oh, and this wasn't meant to single you out Shannon, it's also in response to other posts made previously)
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I see your point however I see theirs too even if its a bit over the top. I feel that if you can step back and see both points of view it gives you a better understanding of the issue as a whole....
Wow didn't that sound like some psycho babble?
I've been wondering that myself...if wck3 is a member here or not.
YES! This is exactly my point. The way they talk about addiction is the way people in drug rehab or AA talk about addiction. As far as I know, there are no rehab centers for smokers. Give me a break. Yes, it's extremely difficult to quit smoking, yes you go through nasty withdraws, yes you ALWAYS want another cigarette and yes, in time, it WILL kill you, but to treat it like some hardcore addiction is silly, especially when you can replace the "addictive" drug in other forms that are significantly less harmful (some more *cough* Chantix *cough*).
You cannot compare someone using nicotine in another form to an alcoholic taking a drink of beer instead of vodka... it's apples an oranges. Alcohol is a dangerous substance in any form, nicotine, not so much (unless you have too much and that makes me wonder how many freaking pieces of that gum katiem was chewing a day to raise her blood pressure that badly). Not to mention, we've pointed out how many times that the nicotine absorption from vaping is significantly less than smoking???
I stand FIRMLY by my earlier conclusion... These people are envious of our ability to continue to consume nicotine. They OBVIOUSLY need it (or they're all just plain old bat..... crazy), judging by their outrageous behavior. I liked the epidural argument someone made earlier... Women truly do degrade other women for using epidurals during childbirth. Why? Because they had to feel all that awful pain and I didn't - yet, in the end, we both had healthy babies so WTF is the difference??? Why are we so fixated on pain and misery making us "better" people than others? If anything, all those people who have that mentality come across to the rest of us as crotchety old crankya$$es and I think we're all GLAD we're not like that.
That's what they all say.. but if they thought about it, lots of other things like the nicotrol inhaler can do that for them too, (They arent too expecsive, look like a cig and you get your fix) and you don't see it.. There's no good reason for them to single out e-cigs accept that it's getting more popular and has a social aspect due to all the styles, mods, flavors of juice.. etc. if they made nicotrol inhalers with different styles, mods, colors, flavors, would they suddenly become a threat to them?
( on p 211 still catching up with these morning posts)
So you don't know either...wish I was convinced that meant they aren't. Then aqgain with that reception I guess in the bigger sheme of things it would be better if they were really. They'd expect the cold reception.
I will give that a shot. Maybe that's what I'm looking for. Not only pv's but forums themselves are a learning curve for me.
Both of you are experiencing classic Win at Internet behavior. The masses that flood in get Googled and approvals just take a little longer. Revolt on the boards? No more approvals until the revolt dies down..... reinforcements can't arrive if the cabal keeps them off the boards.
I need whisky. Is it lunch yet? *sigh* -Magnus
I don't think it really matters either way (imho), because as long as wck3 is honestly looking to cut the nic, or keep the nic quit, (like many of us have stated), then the "welcome" they are giving wck3 goes against what they all keep saying "we don't care how you quit...we support whatever method....as long as you want to quit the nic." Make sense? Sometimes all my thoughts come out at once and get jumbled. LOL
Shannon, I wish you would have replied to me directly, instead of through this proxy, but I'll accept it either way. I have gone through the food or cigs scenario, and quite recently. Went through this last feb-march. That's why I picked up e-cigs. I saw that they were cheaper if I did it the right way. In my first week of e-cigs, I realized that I could step down my nicotine to 0, and be off of the drug completely. This is without you guys, or the nic quit folks. I thought about it on my own.
Putting the above scenario aside, perhaps I'm not as addicted to the stuff as I think. Maybe I'm not really an addict at all. OK, it did happen once. I don't know. Can someone tell me?
It does matter if they are one of us they are being dishonest and underhanded and it just will make everything tht much worse.
Michael honestly I wasn't referring to you it was a general statement. I'm sorry that you thought I was but I promise that's not the case.
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