Well, yes if they're being dishonest, that's sooooooo not cool....so, that's why I said if wck3 is honestly looking to cut the nic. 
Beware of the Quit Smoking Purists
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I have to say something.
I know we were all upset over this whole thing and all the words that were spoken, but Greenlover has apologized to me for her remarks and I have accepted them. Likewise I apologized for any hurtful remarks I have made to her. She knows she was rough on me, she won't deny that, but we are trying to bury the hatchet. I applaud Greenlover for her courage and trying to be understanding. I too endeavor to see her point of view. It's important. It's how we grow as humans. Someone said a long time ago, " if your not growing, your dying". I'd rather by growing.
I believe Greenlover deserves a chance and I intend to give her one. I encourage you all to do the same.
I do see their point; as each of us have in the past, they are struggling the best they can with the tools they have been given by the medical establishment and public help groups. I salute them for what they achieved, not belittle them. They are very fortunate that they have found their own salvation and freedom from smoking/nicotine.
But, the harsh reality is that that philosophy fails for far too many smokers. Those are the ones we need to reach. The treatment methods need to evolve to the science we have available today, not try to adhere to a single philosophy out of principle.
I have to say something.
I know we were all upset over this whole thing and all the words that were spoken, but Greenlover has apologized to me for her remarks and I have accepted them. Likewise I apologized for any hurtful remarks I have made to her. She knows she was rough on me, she won't deny that, but we are trying to bury the hatchet. I applaud Greenlover for her courage and trying to be understanding. I too endeavor to see her point of view. It's important. It's how we grow as humans. Someone said a long time ago, " if your not growing, your dying". I'd rather by growing.
I believe Greenlover deserves a chance and I intend to give her one. I encourage you all to do the same.
Agree or disagree with me, I have no tolerance for people who bash others then *pretend* to be nice. If she wasn't still "over there" making ignorant and snide remarks, I wouldn't have to call her out for it. The statement I made that she replied to was 100% accurate. The people I was referring to are venomous, miserable and hate-filled and I see no reason to pretend they are anything otherwise.
Oh no, I didn't mean it like that. I just meant that I went through pages, looking for an honest answer to my question. Trbo..... responded finally, and your response may as well have been directly to me as well.
Back on topic, maybe I substituted cigs for food when I was out of work a few months ago, but lets be honest. I need to lose weight. I just don't understand getting caught up in "getting my next fix". If I wanted one, I had one. If I couldn't have one, I waited. Not a big deal. Am I an addict or not?
yeah but if I do that what's the point... I get through the day charging a 280mah battery once. My ego kit is coming with a 650mah and a 100mah.... don't really need a passthrough.
I'm not going to mention a name. I don't have to. Fred took his stance. Is this going to go for everyone, or just you guys? After a couple of days with this, most people know the score. This person's first response was very aggressive. Will it be dealt with, or not?
I have to say something.
I know we were all upset over this whole thing and all the words that were spoken, but Greenlover has apologized to me for her remarks and I have accepted them. Likewise I apologized for any hurtful remarks I have made to her. She knows she was rough on me, she won't deny that, but we are trying to bury the hatchet. I applaud Greenlover for her courage and trying to be understanding. I too endeavor to see her point of view. It's important. It's how we grow as humans. Someone said a long time ago, " if your not growing, your dying". I'd rather by growing.
I believe Greenlover deserves a chance and I intend to give her one. I encourage you all to do the same.
I agree John. Even though I cannot post there yet, I have begun tempering my posts here with a bit more tolerance than I exhibited earlier in this thread.
I do have a bit of a concern over her "ambiguity" in behavior and the tone of her responses here vs. there, but I won't pretend to understand the complex social infrastructure that has developed there <coughs>.
I think it may be time to let bygones be bygones and focus on the positive, which you and the others of "us" posting there have been doing in a near superhuman capacity.
You know I would say not if you were the waiting would have been a very big deal IMO.
Omg! I see so many valid points here too (like both John and Trbo.....). Please, promise me that we won't all become divided over of this... I love all of you too much to watch us fall apart....
Trbo.....,
Yes, the majority of those people that have been posting crap would be considered fake if they pretended to be nice. But I kind of understand what Greenlover is going through. She's been abused by those people too. Having been a survivor of abuse myself, I understand her defensiveness and the need to defend her abusers. It takes a long while to overcome that mentality though. I use to do the same thing. I really think she's one of those that is just lost and confused because she doesn't really see completely eye to eye with them, but feels if she stands up against them, they'll berate her some more and break her down even further.
John,
With all of the crap going on over there and with all of the negative comments Greenlover has made, it's going to be hard for people to believe that she's being sincere. She's going to have to find a neutral zone (if that's even possible)....maybe just to stay out of it completely. No positive remarks, no negative remarks. I can sympathize with her, but she's not helping anything by making hurtful remarks or fanning the flames. I'm sure she realizes this and that's why she's reached out to you.
Look, I seriously adore every single one of you!!! I see valid points in both sides of any argument or disagreement. (Hence the reason I like tons of posts). Again, pleeeeeaaaasssse don't let what's happening over there tear us apart. I just see some of us getting a little stressed and don't want it to effect our friendships. Group Hugs for everyone!
Trbo.....,
Yes, the majority of those people that have been posting crap would be considered fake if they pretended to be nice. But I kind of understand what Greenlover is going through. She's been abused by those people too. Having been a survivor of abuse myself, I understand her defensiveness and the need to defend her abusers. It takes a long while to overcome that mentality though. I use to do the same thing. I really think she's one of those that is just lost and confused because she doesn't really see completely eye to eye with them, but feels if she stands up against them, they'll berate her some more and break her down even further.
John,
With all of the crap going on over there and with all of the negative comments Greenlover has made, it's going to be hard for people to believe that she's being sincere. She's going to have to find a neutral zone (if that's even possible)....maybe just to stay out of it completely. No positive remarks, no negative remarks. I can sympathize with her, but she's not helping anything by making hurtful remarks or fanning the flames. I'm sure she realizes this and that's why she's reached out to you.
Look, I seriously adore every single one of you!!! I see valid points in both sides of any argument or disagreement. (Hence the reason I like tons of posts). Again, pleeeeeaaaasssse don't let what's happening over there tear us apart. I just see some of us getting a little stressed and don't want it to effect our friendships. Group Hugs for everyone!
I have to say something.
I know we were all upset over this whole thing and all the words that were spoken, but Greenlover has apologized to me for her remarks and I have accepted them. Likewise I apologized for any hurtful remarks I have made to her. She knows she was rough on me, she won't deny that, but we are trying to bury the hatchet. I applaud Greenlover for her courage and trying to be understanding. I too endeavor to see her point of view. It's important. It's how we grow as humans. Someone said a long time ago, " if your not growing, your dying". I'd rather by growing.
I believe Greenlover deserves a chance and I intend to give her one. I encourage you all to do the same.
Well said and Well done
I'm not gonna go looking but I would almost bet some people haven't been too nice to her. Just my guess. At one time I was one of them. But I have posted my thoughts on that earlier.
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Omg! I see so many valid points here too (like both John and Trbo.....). Please, promise me that we won't all become divided over of this... I love all of you too much to watch us fall apart....
Trbo.....,
Yes, the majority of those people that have been posting crap would be considered fake if they pretended to be nice. But I kind of understand what Greenlover is going through. She's been abused by those people too. Having been a survivor of abuse myself, I understand her defensiveness and the need to defend her abusers. It takes a long while to overcome that mentality though. I use to do the same thing. I really think she's one of those that is just lost and confused because she doesn't really see completely eye to eye with them, but feels if she stands up against them, they'll berate her some more and break her down even further.
John,
With all of the crap going on over there and with all of the negative comments Greenlover has made, it's going to be hard for people to believe that she's being sincere. She's going to have to find a neutral zone (if that's even possible)....maybe just to stay out of it completely. No positive remarks, no negative remarks. I can sympathize with her, but she's not helping anything by making hurtful remarks or fanning the flames. I'm sure she realizes this and that's why she's reached out to you.
Look, I seriously adore every single one of you!!! I see valid points in both sides of any argument or disagreement. (Hence the reason I like tons of posts). Again, pleeeeeaaaasssse don't let what's happening over there tear us apart. I just see some of us getting a little stressed and don't want it to effect our friendships. Group Hugs for everyone!
John I too have seen fleeting moments of niceness from greenlover....I've also got a couple nasty pms from her. I don't think she's got it altogether I can't know that its my guess. What I do know is...
She was the very 1st person to draw blood in this whole fiasco. Go reread the thread if you've forgotten.
I don't mean to be argumentative... it's just in my nature ;-) Thing is, she's doing the same thing to the "e-cig" people as the rest of them - and recently. So if she's so affronted over the way they treat or have treated her, why is she engaging in the same behavior? My only point was... I don't really need to be preached to about "being nice" by someone who cannot practice what sjhe preaches. There's a lot of that going on over there :rollyeyes:
Oh I know.. and I wasn't trying to single your post out or you.. it just seemed like a good time to mention that Greenlover and I were talking. I really think she's trying to understand us. That's a heck of a lot more than those others will do. I cannot expect her to embrace our views 100% and there will be disagreements sure but I think we have all come a long way. I apologize if it seemed like I was picking on you.
There you go then. I guess it's all psychological with me. Not out of the realm of possibilities, since I'm pretty much psycho. I guess I just don't know addiction like some people do. To me, I just like my vp, and I'm getting nowhere near the nicotine I used to intake. I dropped down that level significantly, and very quickly, without feeling any withdrawal. Not surprising, I guess. I went two months snorting with my sister and her friends. One day I saw what it was doing to her, and I said no more. Dropped it in a heartbeat and never touched it again. Once again, someone else' addiction, not mine.
Of course I cannot forget that. You may be right but I'm trying to do the right thing here.
Maybe my PM to her did some good? GL, that is. She never responded back to me, but I was as nice and honest as I could have been to her.
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