Originally Posted by YetiHunter
I'm very confused. Everyone here understands that it's pretty rude to vape indoors without consent, right?
I mean, billows of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin that smell like a candy factory are sort of...annoying
(at the very least) for the surrounding persons. All considerations of common sense aside, why are grown ups
wasting their time talking about it? Let it go.
"Billows of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine"??
No, that's now what is in exhaled vapor. The PG and VG are absorbed and their by-products are converted to water vapor.
I don't know your vaping habits, but "billows" is an exaggeration, mostly.
As I sit here in a normally ventilated room, vaping as normal and not trying to impress anyone with giant clouds of vapor, my "billows" are completely dissipated before they get 3 or 4 feet from me. In a public space, the ventilation is usually much better than in my living room.
If someone is annoyed at what goes on within what is, essentially, my personal space, that is their issue.
As for the smell, it is less intrusive than someones after shave or perfume or body odor, and it too is gone within a few feet. It is also nearly completely masked by the ambient odors in any public area.
We grown ups are talking about it because it's an important issue. Thousands of grown up anti-tobacco zealots in hundreds of governmental and no-governmental organizations, funded with tens of millions of dollars are waging a crusade to eliminate the use of all tobacco products. They've been doing this for almost 30 years in an organized and well orchestrated strategy that has been thoroughly documented. After their successes with cigarettes, they have turned their focus from anti-smoking to anti-tobacco. They are pushing, and getting, support for all the same restrictions and taxation schemes that they got against cigarettes and smokers. They seek to stigmatize and denormalize (in their own words) vapers the same as they did with smokers.
Tobacco users, as we are, have no means to counter this crusade, except to educate people one-by-one, and try to make vaping a common and unremarkable thing for people to see. To a large degree, the anti-tobacco zealots were successful in their anti-smoking crusade because they had the public on their side. The public knew first hand the nature of cigarettes. Today, most of the public are either unfamiliar or uninformed regarding vaping. The ANTZ (anti nicotine and tobacco zealots) are engaged in disinformation aimed at the public so that they can garner the same support for anti-vaping measures that they had with anti-smoking measures. A google search of "safety of electronic cigarettes" will yield voluminous propaganda put out by the PR arms of BP, BT and an alphabet soup of ANTZ organizations. Yet, CASAA gets a first mention on page 9.
Everything we, as vapers, do that resembles the behavior of a smoker, reinforces the ANTZ propaganda and makes it easier for them to conflate smoking with vaping, smoke with vapor and nicotine with the carcinogens in tobacco smoke. That is what they must do to get the support of the public for vaping bans and, so far, they have had some success.
If you don't mind your PV and juice being taxed and regulated just the same as cigarettes, and you don't mind being discriminated against in employment and insurance like a smoker, and you don't mind being relegated to smoking areas and treated like a pariah, then this issue may seem to you like a waste of time.
