Agree 100%. I was actually SHOCKED that a purported scientist would make such a statement.
Brace yourselves new Formaldehype junk study to be released Jan 21
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Agree 100%. I was actually SHOCKED that a purported scientist would make such a statement.
I would hazard a guess that in any other issue other than cigarettes or ecigarettes, the study wouldn't be carried by ANY news media.
This is worth quoting for those who troll our forum...
"Hmm, okay. Is the Sailebao CE4 clearomiser (it’s not a cartomiser) a suitable device for testing high-power vaping? I would say not. CE4 clearos are usually supplied with starter kits that include an eGo battery, and these batteries output a fixed 3.7 volts. They’re entry level technology, and old entry level technology at that – three years old, at least. This also looks like a particularly cheap example, but the CE4 is a simple enough design. It’s also a top coil design; the heating element is at the top of the tank, just below the mouthpiece, and two long silica wicks hang down into the liquid. This means liquid transport to the coil depends on capillary action, which is not a fast process. If the coil is vaporising liquid too quickly it will outrun the wicks’ ability to keep it supplied and the liquid that remains won’t be evaporated; it will be burned, producing a foul-tasting phenomenon known as a dry hit. That, of course, is why nobody uses CE4s on a high-powered device. When Dr Konstantinos Farsalinos did his own research he tried using a CE4 at a power output of 9 watts, but had to replace it with a bottom-coil Evod because it was consistently dry-hitting. The power output of the 2.1 ohm CE4 used in the new study, when run at 5 volts, is 12 watts.
A CE4 works just fine on a lower voltage battery, of course, and it doesn’t produce any formaldehyde either – when Pankow and his associate David Peyton tested their equipment at 3.3 volts they found no formaldehyde at all.
I was rather more interested in this financial piece of that puzzle. We already know the science part is bogus
«If you look at the list of donors declared by each scientist there are two names at the top that are quite significant; these are Michael J Dowd and Patrick J Coughlin, who contributed “philanthropy to support research”. So who are Dowd and Coughlin? Philanthropists? Well, not exactly. They appear to work for this law firm, and have previously been involved in class action suits against tobacco companies.»
«If you look at the list of donors declared by each scientist there are two names at the top that are quite significant; these are Michael J Dowd and Patrick J Coughlin, who contributed “philanthropy to support research”. So who are Dowd and Coughlin? Philanthropists? Well, not exactly. They appear to work for this law firm, and have previously been involved in class action suits against tobacco companies.»
As the digging continues and each of you, with more knowledge and time to research, brings in a point, it becomes more and more clear just how much hype this truly is
Most high power vaping is at high current and the same voltage. What a newb mistake to think that you can just crank the voltage.
It would be correct to say this test proves it is possible to get nasty stuff IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING* but I think we already knew that. In this case the Doctor is the one that doesn't know what he's doing though.
* which definitely happens. One friend bought a kit that had dried up and kept trying to use it even though he didn't like it. Another tried refilling his cartridges with vegetable oil!!!
It would be correct to say this test proves it is possible to get nasty stuff IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING* but I think we already knew that. In this case the Doctor is the one that doesn't know what he's doing though.
* which definitely happens. One friend bought a kit that had dried up and kept trying to use it even though he didn't like it. Another tried refilling his cartridges with vegetable oil!!!
Wow...will this eventually be revisited by the media so the real truth comes out? I hope so.
Crap my wife just sent me a text with a web MD link to this study. She is freaking out. How do I convince her its all BS without sounding like a lunatic conspiracy nut? It sounds like I'm in denial, just trying to protect my addiction. This is F%#king bad guys.
Don't bet on it. They've gone with the sensational headline and then a little bit about how vapers disagree with the study so they can claim they're presented the full story already.. That it's junk science doesn't make a ripple.
I know that one. I showed my husband that my mod is set at 3.5v and that's where there was zip formaldehyde even per these pseudo-scientists. Then I could talk about 5v and how it isn't realistic and why this article and all the publicity made me so angry.
Just tell the truth. Seriously, this is such poor scientific methodology and reporting that if you use what they gave, one would have to be a lunatic to think data regarding safety of vaping has actually changed. And as long as non-scientific types are caught up in the lunacy, then reality is they need to convince themselves of actual facts rather than be told by (biased) vaper that it is 'all BS.'
More specifically, unless you are vaping in the manner described as hazardous (via formaldehyde intake), those who know you and your vaping ought to have little trouble understanding how you are not in danger. If they do have trouble, then hold their hand and look directly at what's being presented in this study.
Yup, I'm getting contact from very concerned sister in law, over in Australia. This really has done damage.
Ya know, I just noticed something about all of the 'Dem E-cigs Is Gonna Kill Ya' hype. You never see the headlines disproving or exposing the Trash Science that produced these 'Studies'. For that info you have to Dig. Also I get the feeling that BP, BT, BG are getting less creative in their 'Scientific Evidence' the original Formaldehyde Study is over a Year Old. So they are doing Re-Runs now?
Mark My Words:
Once BT is given a monopoly over vaping all of the 'Dem E-cigs Is Gonna Kill Ya' hype will disappear and e-cigs will become 'Gods Gift'.
The BG will extract their Huge Pound(s) Of Flesh and all will be 'Right with the World'.
Mark My Words:
Once BT is given a monopoly over vaping all of the 'Dem E-cigs Is Gonna Kill Ya' hype will disappear and e-cigs will become 'Gods Gift'.
The BG will extract their Huge Pound(s) Of Flesh and all will be 'Right with the World'.
My wife just called me about it because it's linked on a local news station's website. Once I pointed out the best quote from the segment she laughed and said that's the media. This was the quote I'm talking about, it's in bold 3/4 of the way through the article.
It's called stacking the deck. So that later, when they go back and do their Reviews and Meta-analysis, they can point to these multiple studies and say "see, there's formaldehyde in them there e-cigs." Of course, they forget the part where they're only supposed to look at studies done with sound methodologies.
They're paving the way for regulations that would allow only sealed, disposable, fixed power cigalikes. I.e. BT's products.
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