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I hope you find what you are looking for, and hope to god you wear them like this:
I don't know but if anyone walked around where I live like this....the least thing you'd have to worry about being called is a "..."
Too funny Cuando!
Lu
When I said faggbag, I meant fagbag. And when I say I meant fagbag, I really meant cigarette bag. I did not mean anything else insulting.
Thank you for clearing that up. When I first read it I spewed Fresca all over my The New Yorker magazine. I am going to only need a few counseling sessions to get over this. I know I should get in such a tizzy but words hurt. My inner child will have nightmares for a while. Thank you for the clarification.
In my experience, it's the "straights" who are more likely to think the word insensitive or insulting than the "gays" actually do. Disclaimer: my friends alway seem to be atypical for whichever class or label we're put and have never been known to be hung up on political correctness. In other words, I don't recommend walking into a gay bar and calling the people there fags or gays, but if you do, please have a friend nearby filming so the response can be posted here afterward. LOL
You see though.. I am a ..... and I think many women are.. maybe even MOST of us
Therefore.. if we go with what is "accurate" even if it is offensive.. then ".....es" is ok in your book and in some cases "Ho" may be appropriate also.. albeit offensive to most women... even if it is mostly the ones who are
Heck, I'm a ..... too. Most of my female friends, and a few of the males, would agree that they are as well. If the person who supposedly should be offended isn't then what's the big deal?
My homosexual friends do not find the term ... offensive, so why do straight people get all up in arms when someone uses the same word around them? I went onto MySpace right after I replied to this topic and saw a good friend had changed his status to say that he's 320 pounds of scary ....... He's wrong, of course, he's not scary at all, but the timing was just too perfect.
My homosexual friends do not find the term ... offensive, so why do straight people get all up in arms when someone uses the same word around them? I went onto MySpace right after I replied to this topic and saw a good friend had changed his status to say that he's 320 pounds of scary ....... He's wrong, of course, he's not scary at all, but the timing was just too perfect.
Heck, I'm a ..... too. Most of my female friends, and a few of the males, would agree that they are as well. If the person who supposedly should be offended isn't then what's the big deal?
My homosexual friends do not find the term ... offensive, so why do straight people get all up in arms when someone uses the same word around them? I went onto MySpace right after I replied to this topic and saw a good friend had changed his status to say that he's 320 pounds of scary ....... He's wrong, of course, he's not scary at all, but the timing was just too perfect.
Crazy coincidence that he just changed it
I think this is kind of the point.. if the person is not offended it is not a big deal... but young people today with all the "sensitivity training" and other BS that goes on nowadays are SO thin skinned they are offended at EVERYTHING!
I swear this is true... a friend told me that one of her students came up to her in class and said "That boy said I am not nice! I think he needs a time out!".
Are you FREAKIN kiddin me??? GET over it! NOT everyone will think you are nice, NOT everyone has to LIKE you and NOT everyone IS nice! The world is FULL of variety and that is what makes it a fun place with free will and choice and the FREEDOM to be a ..... (or a sissy ..... if you prefer) if you feel like it.
The world is FULL of .....ES who tell it like it is
(no offense to myself or any of the other .....es reading this)
Sorry guys.. done venting lol!
Some words have negative connotations but can be used with non-offensive intent. ...... can be said by black people without the same connections a white person would carry. ... is a similar word, if said by a heterosexual there is a risk of carrying offensive connections. A woman can call herself a ..... but that's different from someone else calling her a ....., then it could be seen as a mark of disrespect.
Loaded words really have to be used carefully, especially when aimed at others. You can't laugh off calling someone a ...... if they found it offensive, in that case it isn't funny.
Personally I try to look at the intentions behind the language and not the words themselves. Communication can be a bit of a minefield and taking things literally can be unjust.
Loaded words really have to be used carefully, especially when aimed at others. You can't laugh off calling someone a ...... if they found it offensive, in that case it isn't funny.
Personally I try to look at the intentions behind the language and not the words themselves. Communication can be a bit of a minefield and taking things literally can be unjust.
Crazy coincidence that he just changed it
I think this is kind of the point.. if the person is not offended it is not a big deal... but young people today with all the "sensitivity training" and other BS that goes on nowadays are SO thin skinned they are offended at EVERYTHING!
I swear this is true... a friend told me that one of her students came up to her in class and said "That boy said I am not nice! I think he needs a time out!".
Are you FREAKIN kiddin me??? GET over it! NOT everyone will think you are nice, NOT everyone has to LIKE you and NOT everyone IS nice! The world is FULL of variety and that is what makes it a fun place with free will and choice and the FREEDOM to be a ..... (or a sissy ..... if you prefer) if you feel like it.
The world is FULL of .....ES who tell it like it is
(no offense to myself or any of the other .....es reading this)
Sorry guys.. done venting lol!
I agree with both of you, so many people whine and cry and are so concerned about being politically correct it is sickening. I do stand up comedy ( though I am in hiatus from it ) and though I do 99% G to PG rated material I want to walk out on stage and pull a Don Rickles and offend the entire room with offensive terms and then once everyone is on the edge of their seat and not sure if they should laugh or cry just say, There now that we got that out of the way lets tell some jokes. Ok who wants the soapbox now
Our society is experiencing growing pains. Not that long ago, it was tolerable to sit at the dinner table and spew all sorts of racist, sexist, agist, nationalistic, etc. expletives without even considering the audience. It was not highly regarded, but it was tolerable. We, as a society, have agreed that we want to be more culturally diverse. We have decided that making people second class citizens based on their race, creed, skin color, religion, nation of origin, etc. is just not morally right or up to our standards.
Now, we expect each other to refrain from using derrogatory remarks and words of all kinds. We call each other out for the use of words like ......, ...., ....., WOP, and, of course .... We tend to believe all people are created equal and should be treated as such.
The whole debate currently running through this thread, and our society, is 'Just where do we draw the line between speaking exactly what we feel and considering the feelings of others?' We have some very sensitive people who try very hard to include everyone all the time. We have some others who are frustrated with the growing list of words, expressions, and thought patterns they are being pressured to avoid. And, we still have some who stubbornly offend the sensibilities of all around them by making everyone not just like them second class citizens. We are not going to solve something so huge in this little thread, or even in this forum.
I, personally, look for the intent or feeling behind what is being said. If I do not detect malice, contempt, or disrespect, I let it slide. When I notice a pattern of disrespect in an individual, I try to privately call them out on it. When I am the subject of the disrespect, I speak up immediately and strongly. That is my part, as I see it. We must all choose where we, as individuals, draw the line and act accordingly.
That is my thoughts and opinions. If it helps, great. If it doesn't, thanks for taking the time to read, now go post a thread in the OUTSIDE to discuss this issue.
Now, we expect each other to refrain from using derrogatory remarks and words of all kinds. We call each other out for the use of words like ......, ...., ....., WOP, and, of course .... We tend to believe all people are created equal and should be treated as such.
The whole debate currently running through this thread, and our society, is 'Just where do we draw the line between speaking exactly what we feel and considering the feelings of others?' We have some very sensitive people who try very hard to include everyone all the time. We have some others who are frustrated with the growing list of words, expressions, and thought patterns they are being pressured to avoid. And, we still have some who stubbornly offend the sensibilities of all around them by making everyone not just like them second class citizens. We are not going to solve something so huge in this little thread, or even in this forum.
I, personally, look for the intent or feeling behind what is being said. If I do not detect malice, contempt, or disrespect, I let it slide. When I notice a pattern of disrespect in an individual, I try to privately call them out on it. When I am the subject of the disrespect, I speak up immediately and strongly. That is my part, as I see it. We must all choose where we, as individuals, draw the line and act accordingly.
That is my thoughts and opinions. If it helps, great. If it doesn't, thanks for taking the time to read, now go post a thread in the OUTSIDE to discuss this issue.
I have to disagree. You know what, I'll just put it out there, I'm in the gay social group anyway: I'm a bisexual male, and I find it very offensive and so do my gay/bi friends. Straight people use terms like this like they are going out of style. I hear the phrase "that's so gay" dozens of times a day used to describe something that the person thinks is stupid or beneath them, and I hear straight people calling other straight people "fags" when they do stupid or unacceptable things, without thinking twice about using it. And when one of my gay friends said jokingly to another gay friend, "you're such a ..." (like black people calling each other ......s) the other friend actually freaked out and got really offended the he used the word, and so did many of the other people in the group.
If the person who supposedly should be offended isn't then what's the big deal? My homosexual friends do not find the term ... offensive, so why do straight people get all up in arms when someone uses the same word around them? I went onto MySpace right after I replied to this topic and saw a good friend had changed his status to say that he's 320 pounds of scary ....... He's wrong, of course, he's not scary at all, but the timing was just too perfect.
I'm one of the people who "supposedly should be offended" and I was. Just because your gay friends don't find it offensive, or at least tell you that they don't find it offensive, doesn't mean all non-heterosexuals do. And actually, I have yet to see one straight person in my entire life speak up about someone using that kind of language, ever. So I really don't know why you would have that idea. Perhaps people whom you think are straight are speaking up because they themselves are actually gay or bi and are too embarrassed to admit it around people who talk like that. If a gay person wants to call them self a scary ......, that's different, that's like saying if a black person calls them self a ...... that means that it's okay for a white person to do so.
This isn't directed so much at you, this is just years of harassment and discrimination coming out.
Nicowolf: great post, I just don't know how you don't detect disrespect behind something like that.
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I had a good long reply and a forum error ate my message.
I do detect disrespect in many places in the forum. I just don't detect it in the term faggbag to describe a pouch used to hold and carry cigarettes.
Personally, I fall into all of the categories I described previously. I can relate to every post here. I am trying to help all of you see each other's points of view. This thread is on the verge of being referred to the OUTSIDE subforum because the debate is getting heated. I am not calling a right and wrong here. These are all just perspectives.
I do detect disrespect in many places in the forum. I just don't detect it in the term faggbag to describe a pouch used to hold and carry cigarettes.
Personally, I fall into all of the categories I described previously. I can relate to every post here. I am trying to help all of you see each other's points of view. This thread is on the verge of being referred to the OUTSIDE subforum because the debate is getting heated. I am not calling a right and wrong here. These are all just perspectives.
Very well said. This is not a debate which will be resolved in this thread or possibly this lifetime. I will end my comments to this thread with the fact that we are all individuals and feel different ways about different things.. and I am okay with leaving it at that.
Peace, Love and Vaping for all....
(Oh.. another thought fot another thread... did anyone ever think about how nasty they get when they try to quit smoking? Do you think maybe that affects some of our conversations in these threads? Hmmm... )
Very perceptive Spikey. I know it takes me almost no time to become a royal .....** without my nic.
Yes, especially when so many people are out of supplies. Look how many have mentioned going back to analogs. Gotta have that nic one way or another and those without sufficient supplies are really trying to wait....making a lot of cranky people!
Lu
DCrist721, I did find it somewhat offensive that you would imply I had such two-dimensional friendships, but you do not know me so its ok.
I am a bisexual female. No guys, that is not a come on. At least that's how I had identified before I was badly injured and basically had to drop the idea of defining myself by my sexuality, else end up with severe depression. Since ... generally applies to men, I obviously never really belonged in the group who supposedly should be offended, but the context the term "faggbag" was used it makes it very hard for me to understand how anyone could truly construe it as offensive to them personally. Kate's right, it depends upon the intent and that's how my friends would have taken it as well.
I am very sorry you are sensitive about this and that my words made it worse. We've all dealt with our share of harassment and discrimination. My own friends are a great mix of genders, race, religion and sexualities. I think they're great because none of us really cares about those things as long as we don't get preached at about the "right way" of anything. We joke a lot and have heavy debates and even the straight ones speak up when someone says something unwarranted. I rarely subject myself to contact with other types of people except when necessary so I've become sheltered from what is normal. Saying that, I was very pleasantly surprised by many individuals here, in a group I came to for technical information.
I apologize for drawing this out longer.
I am a bisexual female. No guys, that is not a come on. At least that's how I had identified before I was badly injured and basically had to drop the idea of defining myself by my sexuality, else end up with severe depression. Since ... generally applies to men, I obviously never really belonged in the group who supposedly should be offended, but the context the term "faggbag" was used it makes it very hard for me to understand how anyone could truly construe it as offensive to them personally. Kate's right, it depends upon the intent and that's how my friends would have taken it as well.
I am very sorry you are sensitive about this and that my words made it worse. We've all dealt with our share of harassment and discrimination. My own friends are a great mix of genders, race, religion and sexualities. I think they're great because none of us really cares about those things as long as we don't get preached at about the "right way" of anything. We joke a lot and have heavy debates and even the straight ones speak up when someone says something unwarranted. I rarely subject myself to contact with other types of people except when necessary so I've become sheltered from what is normal. Saying that, I was very pleasantly surprised by many individuals here, in a group I came to for technical information.
I apologize for drawing this out longer.
Sunshyne: I don't know what you mean by saying that I would imply you had such two-dimensional friendships. If you mean my comment "or at least tell you that they don't find it offensive," it's because you are a good friend of these people that they might not want to tell you if they did because it might make you feel bad. I know when someone says something like "that's so gay" around me I try to laugh it off and I tell them that it doesn't bother me so they don't feel bad for saying it, and many of my gay/bi friends do this as well just to protect their friend from feeling bad or embarrassed about the situation.
You're post didn't offend me or make my sensitivities worse, I was just bothered by some of the posts in this thread and others so since you happened to be the person I replied to (since you were the person who's points differed most from my experiences) my frustration about everything came through when writing the post responding to yours.
The reason "fagbag" offends me personally is because he was referring to gays as "fags" which is a derogatory term for gays, it's not just an adjective like gay or homosexual, it;s a term that's purpose is to offend. So by calling gays "fags" he was calling me a .... That's why the word offended me personally. As I said before, would a black person not be offended by a white person using the word "......" to describe something?
You're post didn't offend me or make my sensitivities worse, I was just bothered by some of the posts in this thread and others so since you happened to be the person I replied to (since you were the person who's points differed most from my experiences) my frustration about everything came through when writing the post responding to yours.
The reason "fagbag" offends me personally is because he was referring to gays as "fags" which is a derogatory term for gays, it's not just an adjective like gay or homosexual, it;s a term that's purpose is to offend. So by calling gays "fags" he was calling me a .... That's why the word offended me personally. As I said before, would a black person not be offended by a white person using the word "......" to describe something?
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