Burnt taste with all my attys
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I've been vaping for awhile (8 months), and just had a run of the same scenario when I broke into a couple new atties. I drip, so I knew it wasn't a filler, drying out issue. And it wasn't the 'new atty' nasty taste. It went straight from 3 clouds on a wet atty to a nasty, burning my mouth taste (worse than new atty taste). I took everything apart, and low and behold, it was the edge of the cart melting. Took scissors to the cart to trim it off, and never had the problem again. Obviously, some attys have a higher bridge than others. So when you're chasing the elusive burnt taste, be sure to take the cart case into consideration.
<edit> I was also using whistle tips, so the carts may have been a little longer
<edit> I was also using whistle tips, so the carts may have been a little longer
All 8 are from Cignot bought this month. I don't want to send them back if it's something I'm doing wrong. But I'm beginning to wonder is if there wasn't a manufacturing problem somewhere along the line with Joye. Cignot is great and I'm sure if/when I wanted to return them they would honor my request.
I had a DOA atty, (two puffs and out) they replaced it with no problem
Cignot even sent a pre-paid shipping envelope to me so I DID NOT have to pay return shipping.
The ladies @ Cignot have great service!
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Thanks everyone!
I'll try it but if this was the problem why would I be getting the smell from a dry burn? I don't see any damage on any of my carts from melting.
I agree and I've been known to do the same thing (plugging Cignot whenever I get the chance).I had a DOA atty, (two puffs and out) they replaced it with no problem
Cignot even sent a pre-paid shipping envelope to me so I DID NOT have to pay return shipping.
The ladies @ Cignot have great service!
Good: I saw the post by Sun in the experts forum ...
'Sounds like may have gotten some defective ones where the nickel mesh is not up to par wicking and is giving off a burnt taste. Just send them back. This is being reported with some 510 atomizers quite often now'.
Do yourself a favour and send them back. Good advice from Sun.
Its possible the attys are, as others have said, jsut a bad batch. If you got them from Cignot then they should be genuine Joyes (not sure if TW's are genuine or L2s) and they mayb able to get THEIR supplier to ship them back as defective. Explain in full what you have done, heck show them the links to the forums, the girls aren't strangers here, they know we love them It's not their fault if they got shipped a bad batch and you just want ones that work right? Not looking to aportion blame.
I'd say continue your dialogue with them in a professional and friendly manner and hopefully you can get it sorted out.
It's not their fault if they got shipped a bad batch and you just want ones that work right? Not looking to aportion blame.I'd say continue your dialogue with them in a professional and friendly manner and hopefully you can get it sorted out.
I feel like Terri has become a friend and I have nothing bad to say about Cignot. I just felt bad about delivering the bad news. I was a small business owner for many years and those two work really hard to please all of us nuts! hehe
I finally broke down and emailed her a detailed report of the problem. I have no doubt they will take care of it. I just hope they didn't get stuck with a bunch of these bad ones and can replace them with another batch.
I REALLY appreciate Sun Vapor backing members here and not just siding with the manufacturer! That shows a lot of class!
I finally broke down and emailed her a detailed report of the problem. I have no doubt they will take care of it. I just hope they didn't get stuck with a bunch of these bad ones and can replace them with another batch.
I REALLY appreciate Sun Vapor backing members here and not just siding with the manufacturer! That shows a lot of class!
You ought to try the dse 801 (penstyle), it is known for great taste and good vapor. .Part my problem when I was still smoking cigs, is I hated the taste after awhile, and to me, that's part of what using e-cigs that's so great and makes it fun, is all the different flavors you can have and for me, being able to enjoy the flavor is very important..
The low bridge 801's .hold liquid quite awhile, they don't get so hot that they burn it all up like the 510's PLUS they have the biggest cartridge and longest lasting batteries of all e-cigs..
I did alot of research when I first starting vaping, and IMHO, these are the best ones out there as far as quality goes.
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Thanks MickiO, the 801 blue Penstyle looks really cool. I think I may get it just to have something different to compare to the 510. I'm in this for the long haul and don't want to get discouraged. I wish I hadn't bought everything you can buy for the 510. I always overdo everything! Meh, in the whole scheme of things how much does it really matter?
I always overdo everything! Meh, in the whole scheme of things how much does it really matter? 
GoodDog:
You don't say what kind of liquids you're using. That's a very important factor to include in this equation. You do say that you do dry burns, something a lot of people swear by, but also something discouraged by many. (add me to the list)
One thing I do know though, if your liquids contain VG, you should NOT do dry burns, particularly in an atty like a 510 that is on the hotter side. The "toxic" taste and smells you describe could very well be acrolein which is a toxic substance that is created when VG is heated to 280C degrees. Normal operation of a 510 shouldn't reach that temperature. Letting a 510 run dry or intentionally doing dry burns could very well produce that temperature.
Here's a snippet from Wiki just to scare anyone into taking this seriously:
2ppm, that's two parts per MILLION to be immediately harmful. With that in mind, I imagine it would take an *even smaller* amount than that to start giving you a bad taste and smell like you describe. (before it becomes "immediately harmful")
And if you don't use VG, then I apologize, but this needed to be said and repeated. VG and dry burns = bad idea!
You don't say what kind of liquids you're using. That's a very important factor to include in this equation. You do say that you do dry burns, something a lot of people swear by, but also something discouraged by many. (add me to the list)
One thing I do know though, if your liquids contain VG, you should NOT do dry burns, particularly in an atty like a 510 that is on the hotter side. The "toxic" taste and smells you describe could very well be acrolein which is a toxic substance that is created when VG is heated to 280C degrees. Normal operation of a 510 shouldn't reach that temperature. Letting a 510 run dry or intentionally doing dry burns could very well produce that temperature.
Here's a snippet from Wiki just to scare anyone into taking this seriously:
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2ppm, that's two parts per MILLION to be immediately harmful. With that in mind, I imagine it would take an *even smaller* amount than that to start giving you a bad taste and smell like you describe. (before it becomes "immediately harmful")
And if you don't use VG, then I apologize, but this needed to be said and repeated. VG and dry burns = bad idea!
Good Dog--this issue has been addressed and lab studies where done to show that the atomizers simply do not produce enough heat to create acrolein. This issue is moot.
Sun
Thanks MickiO, the 801 blue Penstyle looks really cool. I think I may get it just to have something different to compare to the 510. I'm in this for the long haul and don't want to get discouraged. I wish I hadn't bought everything you can buy for the 510.
ha ha, I know what you mean, GoodDog, least you'll have extras if you should ever need them, or maybe someone you know might decide to take up vaping and you could give it to them as a gift, Some people first get started and buy all kinds of things, then decide they want something different and put them in the ECF classified and sell them..
Sounds like you've got a great attitude and that's half the battle.
I've got some 901's and some M201's that I bought in the beginning that I wish I wouldn't have bought, but when you think about it, how else can you find out unless you get it and try it out yourself.
I'm sure you were just trying to be efficient and prepared in case of a ban, no worries, life's too short for that,.
I'm sure you'll love these, GoodDog, the 801's are a very smooth vape. .Sometimes I get lost in trying different flavors, they taste so good, I want them all. .I could easilly have a cupboard full of e-liquid, lol.
I recently started mixing my own liquids to save money and making my own flavors, that's fun. Hard to put my e-cig down when I'm mixing and trying out new flavors, ha, but it's nice to be able pick and choose flavors,.
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So you're saying a red hot coil from doing a dry burn doesn't produce 280C degrees? Like I said, normal operation shouldn't approach that temp. - but a dry burn could. I've heard of people doing ~1 min dry burns!
P.S. I'd be interested in the testing methodology that was done to detect sub 2ppm levels that could be anywhere on the coil.
P.S. I'd be interested in the testing methodology that was done to detect sub 2ppm levels that could be anywhere on the coil.
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Thanks Sun. I use PG and only did the dry burn on one of the atomizers. No sense in ruining them all if I was doing something wrong.
Yeah, MickiO, I'm really into good quality juice and just ordered from Capella so I can start making my own too. I want to do it ALL!! LOL Thanks for telling me about the Penstyle. Does it provide a good TH?
Yeah, MickiO, I'm really into good quality juice and just ordered from Capella so I can start making my own too. I want to do it ALL!! LOL Thanks for telling me about the Penstyle. Does it provide a good TH?
Here is one of the reports--this issue keeps popping up now and then when we addressed it a long time ago;
See http://www.intellicig.com/images/pdf/ECOpureReport2009-04-14.pdf
Sun
See http://www.intellicig.com/images/pdf/ECOpureReport2009-04-14.pdf
Sun
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yep, with pg you get a nice TH, and using the 801 on a Chuck, is about as much like a real cigarette as you can get. It's amazing!!
I mix mine with VG (pg & vg) because I like alot of vapor, and with VG, you get huge plumes, like clouds, lol
Edit: I started using VG because the TH on the 801 with straight pg the TH was a bit strong for me,
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Linky no worky.
As far as the issue popping it, IMO that's something that should happen and then people can make their own decisions about what they feel better doing. IMO, dry burns are a bad idea, VG/acrolein issue aside. So not doing them at all with VG is just an extra precaution that some people (once informed) can take if they so choose.
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