Burnt taste with all my attys

[Kate51]

I use a Janty Stick (3.7v battery) and 801 attys, but these are burning also, like CRAZY!!
This is what happens:

Those fibers aren't there when I take them out of the package. After about 5 or 6 hours, they're all over the place inside, around the bottom, and up the insides of the atty. They scorch and taste awful, if I catch them in time all you can do is take the loose fibers out, keep the atty well wetted, but these things are falling apart. WHY?? Those are definitely coil fibers, NOT from the cart.
Getting REAL tired of shoddy stuff, this rarely happend until about 5 months ago, now it's all the time. Something different and wrong with the way coils are constructed. Note: this is a BE112 atty, from BestECigs. I've had the same thing happen with the ones from MyVaporStore, the Joye302. I'm also using the same juice since July (DIY), so that's not an issue.
Very frustrated.

 

[GoodDog]

I know this is a long thread and difficult to read all the posts. Here's a quote (Post #120) by an ECF Moderator that I thought might help understand the current status of the problem. There are other posts that mention more about him testing attys from different vendors. We're waiting for him to post his results.

If it helps any, I have gotten over 300 PM's with regards to this issue. It is not just a minor issue, rather the 510 foul tasting atomizer is THE worst and longest lasting manufactuer defect issue this Forum has ever scene.

When I have completed my testing I will report.


Sun

 

[Tinkerbell]

I'm sorry if I repeat something but I didn't read the WHOLE thread!
I have had similar problems with this - the nasty nasty taste, I tried all sorts of things, and really thought it had me beat.
I then came across a picture and description about lining up the carts in the atomiser, this then changed the problem instantly.
If the cart isn't matched up with the white bit at the bottom of the attie then it burns. Anyway hope this helps.

 

[Kate51]

Very true, tinkerbell, the carts that have grooves up the side are especially the ones you must line up with the bridge direction ~ the 801's are such, and some carts even need to be cut off so as not to touch the bridge! NEVER twist a cart on or off, straight only.
I think though we're talking about foul-tasting atomizers and why they are fouled. My 801's are losing the coil insulating fibers which then become scorched. Nasty and expensive problem.
If there's a thread regarding these would someone please paste it in here. I don't have luck finding it.

 

[joniv6363]

HI, This is so pathetic, I dont know if its dangerous or not.. i also have a different ecig and no burnt taste or from anyone i know that has blucigs or other kinds it seems to be the 501 i here 901dse (i think right order thr num and leters) antway i think they are knoc ofs of the real thing i got mine from a store that just opened evertime i go back he says hes got no new ones BULL i know im going again and gwtting my money back..Is this dangerous? thaks for the picture

 

[joniv6363]

hi i dont want to sound dumb , but what is the cart? is it the peice that comes up in the atty some come up higher then others i noticed on the 901dse (knockoff) Still learning the ecig lingo thanks joni

 

[GoodDog]

hi i dont want to sound dumb , but what is the cart? is it the peice that comes up in the atty some come up higher then others i noticed on the 901dse (knockoff) Still learning the ecig lingo thanks joni

Hi joniv, may I suggest a link that may help you more than this thread? The ECF Library - E-Cigarette Forum There is also a New Members Forum that will help you get started. There's a lot to learn about vaping and I'm glad you found the ECF forum... welcome.

 

[rosesense]

Kate, that is exactly what mine looked like and today I had another one. Uggh. I will have to try my other model because at this rate with attys I won't be able to afford to vape. Thanks for posting the pic, hope it helps others to identify their problem.

Also, I read somewhere on here that those fibers are fiberglass, that is what has me worried---vaping fiberglass cannot be a good thing. Maybe I am just paranoid today.

 

[joniv6363]

THank You for the info
Joni

 

[raqball]

If you have adapters, try different atty's... I hated the 510 foul burnt taste so much that I changed everything over to 901's...

Best decision I ever made...

Good luck!

Kris

 

[AlexTM]

I love my 510 but am going to try to research the cartomisers to see if anyone has had a problem similar to this with the carts. If not, I will just use my KR8.

If "burned" worries you, I'd really stay away from a KR8: Burned filling I – II – III – IV – V

Has anybody yet contaced their retailer regarding those? Or even Joye?
And I don't know, just an idea, but maybe we could narrow down the problem if we collect where and when "burned" atties were brought?

 

[MalabarFront]

As promised, I tried mixing VG with my dark PG e-juice to get around my "marginal" atty problem and it worked. Just 25% VG was enough to get vapor on exhale and, more importantly, nicotine delivery.

My SLB 510's are still in transit. A little less urgent for me now that I can actually vape.

(I'm not above having an analog or two to tide me over but I've actually gotten to the point where they're not as satisfying as vaping.)

 

[Mr.Therman]

Sorry if this has been answered already, I'm just not sure what suppliers are selling these bad attys. I placed an order monday for the tornado and some extra attys from totally wicked.

Are these almost sure to be bad, or is this just a case of duds being more common?

Thanks!

 

[Janie47]

What a rollercoaster day this has been! After using only the disposable 510 from Madvapes since 2/7/10, I finally broke down and ordered the 510 manual kit (not disposable). I had waited several days for Madvapes to get them in stock, and couldn't wait any longer so went with another company. This company came highly recommended on ECF, and have the "real" Joye 510 products, as opposed to Madvapes which has a brand called "SLB." I also ordered whistle tip cartridges, and a manual menthol kit for my Dad. I eagerly awaited the mailman and went ballistic when he finally arrived! I was soooo excited! Also in my order were blank PTB bag carts and my first try with the RY4 liquid. I immediately filled a cart with the RY4 and started vaping. YUMMY! I thought I'd died and gone to heaven! Unfortunately, that didn't last long. After a little while I had the worst taste EVER when I took a draw. I added more RY4, but my PTB came out and I couldn't get it back in, so I filled a new one with liquid and stuck it in my atty. All excited again.......okay for a few hits, then UGH! I then decided I was doing something wrong with the cart and put in one of the pre-filled Marlboro carts that came with my kit. A few hits, okay, then VOMIT! I'm back to using my auto disposables from Madvapes for now, but they have been used over and over, as I've been sharing with hubby since 2/7 trying to get him hooked as well. After reading some posts here, I'm going to try my attys from Madvapes that came with disposable kit, on my manual batteries that arrived today. Just soooo bummed out.

Dad is now smoking his Kools again, saying he's giving up on the PV's. Since he just had his bladder removed in November (bladder cancer)....well, that's my REAL bummer of the day. I can't believe he's back to the analogs.

I'm heading to Madvapes to see if they have any in stock yet.

 

[Kate51]

Yes, for the record, I did contact MyVaporStore and they were great, replaced the bad Joye302 ones (strings all over the place in them) with some better, but in all honesty it's really not the vendors' fault these things are crap, it's the manufacturer's we have to get ahold of. After the attys are used for a couple hours or so, you start getting these scorched threads, nothing to do but pull them out and keep the atty well wetted or else just throw it away, because it won't last long anyway.
With the Janty Stick I can get an adapter for the 510, but it doesn't sound like that would be a good idea either....I love the capacity of the 801, no refilling all the time. The cart lasts as long as the battery 2.5-4 hours, depending on how hard I hit it.
That's why this Thread attracted my attention, see how the 510's were faring.

 

[Janie47]

Oops, I think I sent the wrong message in my last post. To clarify.....I agree with it not being the vendors fault, Kate. The customer service was excellent, and I actually feel badly for these people who have obviously sold a great product in the past, and are now having issues with their manufacturer. The point (I did a poor job of making) is that Madvapes does not sell the Joye, but what I guess is considered a "knock off," yet I had no bad taste at any time during the 3 weeks I used it.

 

[Aunt Cranky]

I ordered a starter kit from cignot (who are great, btw). One of the 510 attys I got (the white one) is firing like a champ. The black one is a little flaky. Flaky because even after cleaning it, it doesn't seem to fire as consistantly as the white one. I tried swapping batteries, and carts and it's just flaky. I ordered a 901 kit for my "backup" (and some backup attys), and will happily put in an order for some more 501 attys in a month or so - hopefully after Friday we'll see the supply chain open up again.

Perhaps the vendors just got a bad batch of attys from Joye, and the Chinese New Year may have been a blessing in disguise (all the bad attys have been sold out - hopefully we'll see a return to quality control)

 

[Remie]

The problem with the 510 atomizers that this thread addresses doesn't have anything to do with the "wicking threads" in the atomizer.

Before we knew that this was a widespread problem, many of us were trying anything and everything to try and remedy the issues we were having. A lot of us removed the "wicking threads", some removed the entire bridge and tried to drip exclusively with the offending atomizer.

This is a problem that removing the "wicking threads" won't solve. It's not recommended to remove these threads from an atomizer unless you intend to use the atomizer exclusively to "drip" with.

Keeping your atomizers sufficiently "wet" and not running them "dry" will help eliminate any harsh dry taste and prevent the "wicking threads" from "cooking" or burning.

Malabar - I'm glad you were able to remedy the problem with different e-liquid. You are lucky! Your atomizers don't fall under the "noxious problem" atomizers. E-liquids of any strength, color, thickness. etc. won't alter or remedy the problem with the "bad tasting noxious" atomizers.

Janie - if you have read through this thread (I know it's very long) - and you are experiencing the "noxious taste and smell", and the chemical smell lingers in the air, etc. - the SLB atomizers will certainly work just fine on your 510 batteries, don't worry about using them if you already have them, or buying some if you want to see if it remedies the problem for you.

One thing you may notice is that the Joye 510 atomizers do run a bit "hotter" in comparison to the SLBs and you really do have to keep the cartridge topped off. When I was getting used to the 510 in general I learned to "top off" frequently and it became second nature. You usually know when it's time to "top off" or refill your cart because the taste can become rather dry and harsh.

This dry harsh taste isn't what we are reporting. I am not saying that you aren't experiencing the same problem we have reported, I'm just pointing out that there is a difference between the "harsh dry" or "dry atomizer" taste and the "noxious lingering chemical" taste and smell that is being reported.

I don't use the PTB cart-mod so I can't advise you on that specifically.

Alex - it's been widely reported and not limited to any particular suppliers. I am sure it's possible that the suppliers who sell more product may have higher incidences of people reporting this particular problem.

It was addressed in a prior post in this thread that Sun Vaporer has confirmed this problem is not due to "new user error", or "user error" at all. It's a widespread problem. If you have this problem, no suggestions on how to remedy it will help. If you have this problem, you also KNOW you have it with 100% certainty, it's that bad.

Mr. Therman - I recently purchased a Tornado. I've been using it for about two weeks. The atomizers that came in the kit are fine, no problems at all. I don't think I have seen any other users complain about the atomizers that come with the Tornado or the eGo.

 

[tiempo]

What exactly is in the "burnt" vape that we are getting?

I have 3 of these also, if I line them up with the original atomizers that I received with my starter kit, I can definitely see the difference in the burnt fibers of the faulty ones. The draw between the good and the bad seems about the same, but the vapor production is considerably lower with the faulty ones. Same thing with me though.. primed atomizer, full cart, 5-6 good draws... then YUCK. I have now cleaned them (2 different methods), fully dried.. no difference.

 

[tiempo]

Before we knew that this was a widespread problem, many of us were trying anything and everything to try and remedy the issues we were having. A lot of us removed the "wicking threads", some removed the entire bridge and tried to drip exclusively with the offending atomizer.

But whatever is causing this may also be destroying the threads in the process of creating this horrible taste/smell. It may not matter or not, but I definitley can see the difference in my atomizers.