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Res0785p

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I receive 6 from ZigCig, 2 from Midwest Vapor, 2 from Cignot.

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yeah you're missing something..you're attributing the problems to joye who makes starter kits supplied to dozens and dozens of vendors including TW and Janty..where the problem could be that the probelm isn't joye but a supplier that's passing off a "knock-off" as a "genuine joye product"...so given that these dozens and dozens of companies that say "genuine joye" if these so called "bad" ones are coming from one or 2 suppliers they might be misrepresenting..
it seems highly suspect when the factory is cranking out kits and atties on one production line and then broken up to supply the smaller suppliers then it would be an epidemic that hits all suppliers (tw, janty, a a few others have their own seperate production lines)..but it does not seem to be all suppliers...from reading the threads on the forum it seems to be specifics..
So unless it's ALL new user error it doesn't seem to be a manufacturer error...

Of course it could also just be a mind thing..new users reading things like this thread and then starting to worry about "OMG my atty could be bad, is this right or wrong".. same as the VG craze...actual allergies to PG are rare..but how many people read about it and then are suddenly have a PG sensitivity..

Watching this develop too...and the insistance that it's all joye when things just don't add up (you think the suppliers, wouldn't have said something by now?) ...I'm starting to lean more toward user error..I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt and think that there might be a supplier issue going on...but fact is that when people refuse to give suppliers and insist that it's a factory problem...that looks highly suspect too

EDIT: well sun says it's not user error so I guess I gotta go with that for now..I still think it's a supplier issue not a factory issue
 

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Wow I didn't think the problem was that widespread. Was tough to believe that people were getting 2, 3, 5 or more at a time like this.
I have one last unopened one from Cignot and I'm afraid to use it. I don't hold them accountable for a manufacturing defect. There's no way for them to identify these faulty atomizers. I just hope they're taking care of the rest of their customers the way they took care of me.

SunVapor, looking forward to seeing your results and hopefully some details one what Joye and the vendors will do to remedy the situation. Until then I'm just not going to purchase anymore 510 atomizers. Maybe time to give cartomizers a go.

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Marctwo

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I don't know about the US but in the UK we have this thing called the consumer protection act that states: If your goods are not fit for the purpose they were sold, you are entitled to a full refund regardless of conditions of sale. So whether your atties are warranteed or not, you should get a refund if you can't vape with them.

Don't feel sorry for the retailers as they know it's their resonsibility to supply goods that are up to the job. And if they realy are good retailers, they'll be more than happy to take this responsibility. Well they may not actually be happy about it but a good customer service should make you think they are. ;)
 

LoveMeTender

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I know this is probably more then user error and I read others suggest a dry burn, but I just cleaned all 7 of my attys using the resurrection method and they all work perfectly now, 3 were dead. I now get such clean flavorful vapor, I'm amazed. My attys came from Janty, TW, Litecigusa, bluegrass, and Rockymountion and I removed all the wicks. I did get a burnt metallic taste in a couple of them at first but it went away as I took a couple more drags.

Here's a link to the method -

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/69834-my-atty-resurrection-method.html
 

Debbie

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I'm not saying the attys you guys have aren't bad. If many experienced users are having problems with new attys being bad, it's likely to be true.

That said, the first ecig I purchased tasted AWFUL. I knew there was no way I could quit analogs vaping something that tasted so awful.

But I started doing research and wound up at ECF, and further researched and asked questions once I got here.

I eventually realized that the original cart filler had fibers coming loose that got onto my atty and gave off a burnt taste. So I tried different filter mods offered here.

I had the same problem of burnt taste with all the mods except the shredded PTB. So now I use that one exclusively. Others have had better luck with some of the other mods offered.

I would have thought my attys were bad if the info had not been available here for me to find. I also might have given up on ecigs altogether.

I wasn't suffering from 'user error'. I was suffering from ignorance of all the eccentricities that an ecig is capable of - i.e. inexperience.

There were many other episodes of my ignorance that were solved with this forum too.

I don't remember if I learned about blowing the gunk out of a new atty in the wee bit of directions that came with my ecig, or if I learned it on this forum. But I have met new users on this forum who were not aware of the need to blow out a new atty.

If you're new, and you post about a problem, and someone suggests 'user error', they might just be using a short term for what they perceive of as inexperience of the difficulties that can be encountered when using ecigs. I've seen many situations where they were proven to be right. Usually, suggestions for dealing with the problem will follow.

Don't get discouraged. Just try different suggestions offered, keep reading and keep asking questions.

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Sun Vaporer

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Don't get discouraged. Just try different suggestions offered, keep reading and keep asking questions.

Debbie


Good advise Debbie. That being said, this thread is about a total defect in a large amount of 510 atomizers. As I have stated before, this is the biggest issue this Forum has ever scene in a manufacture defect of a part. The "user error" excuse has no ligitimate office here for this issue.

Thank You,


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Remie

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Hi all,
Just wondering which of the joye 510 atties people are having a bad time with, the TAWA's or the ones with the 6 month warrenty or both ?

Hi pywackit - I've noticed that people have reported the issue with TW's multi-pack atties. The TAWA atomizers, I believe fall under the multi-pack category.

If they are multi-pack atties sold with no warranty you may not be exempt from getting some bad ones.

I have 2 TW atomizers that came with my Tornado kit. They have the wide gold band and they can be purchased separately, but they cost more. I haven't had any of the "bad atty syndrome" issues with either of these atomizers.

I believe at this point that it may be a proverbial crap shoot and I can only tell you my experience. Spending a little more money for the ones that come warranted (i.e. Janty's with the 6 month warranty) may give you some insurance because if you do experience a problem, it can be exchanged.

It doesn't hurt to check around and ask suppliers what their exchange policies are. :)
 

Remie

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Thank you GoodDog and Remie :) Good to hear, as i am planning to buy a ego for my son, the m401's arent cutting it for him and his lungs are way worse than mine, need to find something for him to kick the analogs !

I love my 510 - but I just got a Tornado (same PV as the eGo) and I love it even more. What an awesome thing to do for your son!! I'm sure he'll love it, and appreciate very much that you did that for him! :)

If you are getting him the eGo kit, I wouldn't worry about the atomizer. I haven't seen anyone complain about this particular problem with Janty's atomizers.
Janty has stated that the atomizers have been "tweaked" and that they perform very well. The eGo will come with a warranty so if there are any problems it can be addressed.

Good Luck!! :)
 

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Thanks Remie, I feel better now. Would have preferred a good looking guy, but you'll do. :lol:

Thanks pywackit for the show of appreciation and comprehension for what we're doing here. There are some wonderful people on this forum that will help you with anything you need to help your son. :) You made a good choice with the eGo. I also have one on order.
 

UberDuper

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OMG!!! I'm trying so hard to bite my tongue!!!

I've /facekeyboarded just about every time I've come back to catch up on this thread. Ok, not really...

It's a long thread. People aren't actually reading it. They see the topic show up on the new posts page and give their response to the title or maybe even the original post. Maybe you or a mod can rename the title to something a little more appropriate.

UD.
 

MalabarFront

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I've been following this thread with interest because I've been having a bad time with my vaping experience and I had been attributing it to all sorts of possible problems. I haven't been getting as much of the nasty taste issue but I have been having a hell of a time with vapor production.

Thanks to LoveMeTender for that video on removing the 510 wick - that helped a fair amount although it didn't solve the problem completely. Vapor production is inconsistent at best and there's still any acrid taste after a while.

Like a few others I got my attys from TW and all five of them are problematic. Removing the wick did the most good on a new atty so it makes me wonder whether the others already were fouled by wicking that had melted on to the coil. Hard to say.

At any rate, I'm going to get some SLB 510 attys and see whether that makes a difference.
 

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Sorry you're having so many problems MalabarFront. Please let us know if the SLB attys help the problem.

Unfortunately because vaping is new there are inherent problems and one of these is the need to top-off frequently. Until there's improvements to the current method it's just something we have to live with.
 
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